Re: [Talk-it] Deletion of relations in Sicily / Di eliminazione delle relazioni in Sicilia
SomeoneElse ha scritto: On 24/03/2015 06:03, Luca Delucchi wrote: I would like to know the opinions from so sicilian guys... Has anyone been able to get in touch with any local mappers from Sicily yet? It'd certainly be nice to get their opinion. I'm a (former) Sicilian mapper. I didn't speak before as I'm living abroad for a while and basically not mapping in Sicily (also because there is no much left to map in my former area, thanks to other mappers :), but I followed the project since the very beginning. I didn't check all the delete relations, but it seems that the user simply killed all street relations, which are still valid, I would say. I know the user that fixed/created many of them (David Paleino, I tried to contact him but no answer so far) and I trust him and the accuracy of his work. Moreover, as already pointed out, a user whose first commit is plain removal of tons of relations is definitely something strange. Not discussed with the community too, that's bad. I personally vote for revert and strictly control of the user (I think he will try again). Ciao -- Luigi ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Deletion of relations in Sicily / Di eliminazione delle relazioni in Sicilia
2015-03-23 22:46 GMT+01:00 Luca Delucchi lucadel...@gmail.com: for me seems really strange to remove more than 600 relation... maybe a revert could be useful? +1, it seems a clear violation of the semi-automatic edit guidelines, as it is hard to believe these deletions are anything else than a semi-automatic edit. I have written to the user in Italian (because if he performs mass edits in Sicily, it would not be bad if he understood some Italian), and he replied in a kind of Spanish that he doesn't understand and pointed to his changeset comment. Frankly, I do not see that he is very interested in communication, he seems to believe that he has done some good by cleaning up a mess (i.e. deleting relations of a type he doesn't like). FWIW, I don't like this kind of relation either, but I agree, you should discuss deletions in that scale rather than hope to pass unnoticed. Cheers, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Deletion of relations in Sicily / Di eliminazione delle relazioni in Sicilia
Il 23/mar/2015 23:35 SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk ha scritto: On 23/03/2015 21:46, Luca Delucchi wrote: At the very least, an edit that deleted 683 relations should have been discussed with the community first, if for no other reason because it was rude not to do so. I've added another comment to the discussion Yes sure, http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/29645361 trying to get that across. If (after checking with people on the ground locally) the Italian OSM community wants to see this changeset reverted and someone from within the community is happy to do that then please go ahead. If you'd like help with the revert, then please ask and I'm sure that we'll be able to sort something out. I would like to know the opinions from so sicilian guys... Best Regards, Andy Townsend (SomeoneElse), on behalf of the OSM Data Working Group Cheers Luca ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
[Talk-it] Deletion of relations in Sicily / Di eliminazione delle relazioni in Sicilia
Whilst investigating something else, I came across a large number of deleted relations in Sicily (1) , and wanted to check that these deletions had been discussed within the Italian community first. I've added a changeset discussion comment to it asking this, but haven't seen a reply yet. I'm posting here because it seems like the most widely used OSM forum for the Italian community. If it's not I'd be grateful if someone could post in a more widely used forum. (In italiano con Google Translate) Mentre indagando qualcos'altro, mi sono imbattuto in un gran numero di rapporti eliminati in Sicilia (1), e volevo controllare che queste delezioni erano stati discussi all'interno della comunità italiana prima. Ho aggiunto un commento changeset discussione che chiedere questo, ma non ho ancora visto una risposta. Sto postando qui perché sembra che il forum OSM più utilizzato per la comunità italiana. Se non è sarei grato se qualcuno potrebbe postare in un forum più largamente usato. Best Regards /i migliori saluti, Andy Townsend (SomeoneElse), on behalf of the OSM Data Working Group (1) http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/29645361 ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Deletion of relations in Sicily / Di eliminazione delle relazioni in Sicilia
2015-03-23 14:34 GMT+01:00 SomeoneElse li...@atownsend.org.uk: http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/29645361 Thank you, Andy, for pointing us to this. The user has opened this account just 2 days ago, but it looks as if it is an experienced user. Already the fact that s/he tries to hide his/her real nickname is a bit strange. New users typically don't come to OSM and delete 600+ relations of the same type in a big area (IMHO qualifies very likely as an automated edit and guidelines apply). Cheers, Martin ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Deletion of relations in Sicily / Di eliminazione delle relazioni in Sicilia
Hi On 23 March 2015 at 16:31, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Thank you, Andy, for pointing us to this. The user has opened this account just 2 days ago, but it looks as if it is an experienced user. Already the fact that s/he tries to hide his/her real nickname is a bit strange. New users typically don't come to OSM and delete 600+ relations of the same type in a big area (IMHO qualifies very likely as an automated edit and guidelines apply). the user answer to the changeset comment, he was sure about removal of the relations, some Sicilian guys can check if he answer the true or not, for me seems really strange to remove more than 600 relation... maybe a revert could be useful? Cheers, Martin -- ciao Luca http://gis.cri.fmach.it/delucchi/ www.lucadelu.org ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
Re: [Talk-it] Deletion of relations in Sicily / Di eliminazione delle relazioni in Sicilia
On 23/03/2015 21:46, Luca Delucchi wrote: the user answer to the changeset comment, he was sure about removal of the relations, some Sicilian guys can check if he answer the true or not, for me seems really strange to remove more than 600 relation... maybe a revert could be useful? At the very least, an edit that deleted 683 relations should have been discussed with the community first, if for no other reason because it was rude not to do so. I've added another comment to the discussion http://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/29645361 trying to get that across. If (after checking with people on the ground locally) the Italian OSM community wants to see this changeset reverted and someone from within the community is happy to do that then please go ahead. If you'd like help with the revert, then please ask and I'm sure that we'll be able to sort something out. Best Regards, Andy Townsend (SomeoneElse), on behalf of the OSM Data Working Group ___ Talk-it mailing list Talk-it@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-it
