Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Berichten over hetzelfde onderwerp Johan C
Hi Florian I invite you to make comments on the OpenStreetMap forum ( http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=12) because there's more Dutch mappers active there. Awaiting your input there, I'll already do a short reply to you, or a couple of years i have been to Zeeland in Autumn and as

[OSM-talk-nl] Pijpleidingen

2014-10-05 Berichten over hetzelfde onderwerp Pander
Hoi allemaal, Waar kan ik op OSM of andere plaatsen pijpleidingen vinden die in de driehoek Houten-Lunetten-Bunnik lopen? Dank, Pander ___ Talk-nl mailing list Talk-nl@openstreetmap.org https://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-nl

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Pijpleidingen

2014-10-05 Berichten over hetzelfde onderwerp Martien Scheepens
Hallo Pander, Op de risicokaart van de overheid staan grote buizenleidingen: [1]http://nederland.risicokaart.nl/?ext=132613,446676,147776,45 5506thema=default. Ik weet toevallig ook dat de Gasunie een bodeminformatiekaart beheerd, maar ik weet niet of deze voor particulieren toegankelijk is.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Berichten over hetzelfde onderwerp Johan C
Anyway this is not doing anything positive for my feelings on imports. In terms of having data for a routing engine (like OsmAnd) a definition can be that any missing address in a country is an error. The number of missing addresses in the Netherlands is calculated recently: on a total of approx.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Berichten over hetzelfde onderwerp Marc Gemis
You'll beat us on numbers, that's true. Maybe the problem that I see is not so much the imports, but the maintenance of all that data (imported or manually added). Who is going to see all those mistakes, changes, etc. when all the data is there ? The one that I saw was a building in a forest.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Berichten over hetzelfde onderwerp Maarten Deen
On 2014-10-05 20:58, Marc Gemis wrote: You'll beat us on numbers, that's true. Maybe the problem that I see is not so much the imports, but the maintenance of all that data (imported or manually added). Who is going to see all those mistakes, changes, etc. when all the data is there ? The one

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Berichten over hetzelfde onderwerp Marc Gemis
For maintenance, the way we do it now doesn't work IMHO. At least not with only a handful of (40-50) mappers in both Belgium and The Netherlands. We can't keep up with the changes. IMHO The amount of work to add new data is approx. the same as verifying and keeping it up to date. I wonder how

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Berichten over hetzelfde onderwerp Florian Lohoff
Hi Johan, On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 04:49:15PM +0200, Johan C wrote: Hi Florian I invite you to make comments on the OpenStreetMap forum ( http://forum.openstreetmap.org/viewforum.php?id=12) because there's more Dutch mappers active there. Awaiting your input there, I'll already do a short

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Berichten over hetzelfde onderwerp Florian Lohoff
On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 07:49:52PM +0200, Marc Gemis wrote: On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 4:49 PM, Johan C osm...@gmail.com wrote: The BAG should contain the correct building outline, since this is Cadastral information, nowadays updated very often. But as any database, the BAG might

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Berichten over hetzelfde onderwerp Florian Lohoff
On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 09:39:31PM +0200, Marc Gemis wrote: For maintenance, the way we do it now doesn't work IMHO. At least not with only a handful of (40-50) mappers in both Belgium and The Netherlands. We can't keep up with the changes. IMHO The amount of work to add new data is approx.

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Berichten over hetzelfde onderwerp Johan C
Marc, I agree with Maarten. Let's hope that our address data helps users appreciate OSM apps more. And that these apps are smart enough to draw more users into mapping. You have a good point on maintenance versus the number of mappers. On the BAG data it's luckily quite simple: thousands of paid

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Berichten over hetzelfde onderwerp Frank Steggink
Hi Florian, The quality issues you mentioned about the imported data is due to the rules by which the government has collected this data. For example: the tiny forests from the 3dShapes import (not the AND import) also appear on the topographical maps. I've examined way 74390172 as an

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Berichten over hetzelfde onderwerp Florian Lohoff
On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 10:36:23PM +0200, Johan C wrote: Hey Florian That's a building which will be opened this December: http://dagvandebouw.nl/waar/zeeland/nieuwbouw-42-zorgappartementen-svrz-middelburg/ The BAG uses various statuses: the building will be measured after it's finished,

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Berichten over hetzelfde onderwerp Johan C
Hi Florian 2014-10-05 22:43 GMT+02:00 Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de: On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 10:36:23PM +0200, Johan C wrote: Hey Florian That's a building which will be opened this December: http://dagvandebouw.nl/waar/zeeland/nieuwbouw-42-zorgappartementen-svrz-middelburg/ The BAG

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Berichten over hetzelfde onderwerp Johan C
Florian, I missed a question: 2014-10-05 22:43 GMT+02:00 Florian Lohoff f...@zz.de: On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 10:36:23PM +0200, Johan C wrote: Hey Florian That's a building which will be opened this December:

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Berichten over hetzelfde onderwerp Marc Gemis
After 3.5 years and 34.000 addresses, I have to admit that an import is the only way to get addresses in OSM fast. But is the conclusion that we have to make that a crowed-sourced model for map making failed ? That we have to move to an import of third-party databases model ? One were the source

Re: [OSM-talk-nl] Netherland mapping for Tourists / Adress nodes move to building etc

2014-10-05 Berichten over hetzelfde onderwerp Andre Engels
On Sun, Oct 5, 2014 at 10:34 PM, Frank Steggink stegg...@steggink.org wrote: Regarding the highway = unclassified tag from the AND import: this was before my time, but I believe it was caused by a lack of granularity of the highway types in the original data. No, the issue was an incorrect