Re: [talk-ph] Draw the line between primary and secondary road classes for rural areas.

[Jherome Miguel]

I'm creating a simple map of the major highways in Pangasinan, which also
have colored nodes representing each city and municipal center by
population size (red for large cities with population of 100+K, blue for
large municipalities with 100+K, yellow for medium-sized municipalities of
50K-100K, and green for smaller municipalities with <50K). It's kind of
slow, and I'm yet to complete that, but I'm seeing proof from that map that
should be convincing that we need to rework the road classification system.

Have you ever have any concern about the previous definition of primary
(per Rally), as a road linking every municipality regardless of their
population size? I find Rally's proposal, as well as the 2007 version which
it modifies, having an more or less apparent bias towards urban road
networks (something to do with it being originally designed for Metro
Manila roads as I see on a previous discussion on OSM Wiki).

I find it hard to translate this from Tagalog to English in my head, but I
think primaries should be visible in the same zoom as trunk roads, and
normally serve a city with a population of <=100K and medium or large
municipalities with 50+K (figures from the latest census). If their main
destination is a municipality with less than 50K residents, they can get
dowgraded to secondary. If the road currently classified as primary is
designated a provincial road, then it's assumed to be less traveled
(national road designation often indicates a heavily traveled route to many
of us), and they better fit a lower class that is, usually, secondary.

--TagaSanPedroAko

On Sat, Jun 20, 2020, 1:29 AM Eugene Alvin Villar,  wrote:

> Hi Jherome,
>
> I think the problem with discussing the road classifications in the
> Philippines is that the proposals you are suggesting are too abstract.
>
> Here's a suggestion: Why not create a simple map using uMap[1] showing how
> your proposed changes would affect the road network in a few selected
> provinces in the country. Let's select, say, Guimaras, Negros Oriental, and
> Pangasinan as those provinces. Then once we are able to visualize how your
> proposed road networks look like then we can have a more concrete
> discussion about your proposed changes.
>
> [1] https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/
>
> ~Eugene
>
>
> On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 4:37 AM Jherome Miguel 
> wrote:
>
>> It 's been months since we went through this whole conversation to revamp
>> our road classification which haven 't changed to take in account other
>> possible factors, but to completely draw the line between primary and
>> secondary class roads in rural areas (which other mappers haven't
>> completely accepted), I'm presenting again the new definitions by context
>> as I originally elaborated, except for additions from further observation.:
>>
>> * Primary
>> -- Urban: Non-trunk major arterials, usually a numbered national road.
>> Serves as a major route across town. Just for guidance, usually
>> three-digit highways under DPWH. Can consider upgrade to trunk if road is
>> like an expressway between at least two major intersections, with
>> overpasses/flyovers or underpasses over congested crossings, and most
>> smaller intersections closed and replaced with a U-turn slot somewhere
>> nearby.
>> --Rural/regional: Major non-trunk highways that connect to all other
>> cities as well as large towns. Lower in importance than trunk, but still
>> the main way around a region or province. Just for guidance, usually
>> three-digit highways under DPWH.
>> * Secondary
>> --Urban: Minor arterials, connecting at least 3 barangays or districts,
>> not necessarily within the same city/municipality. Not heavily traveled as
>> the primary or trunk routes, but still important routes within an urban
>> area. Can be a "promoted" tertiary (collector) road, with higher quality
>> and more traffic. Just for guidance, are mostly unnumbered roads under DPWH
>> ("national tertiary roads"), and city/municipal roads.
>> -- Rural - Smaller highways that connects [a] small town centers[s] or
>> serves as an alternate route to a major numbered route it parallels. Lower
>> travel speeds (40-60 kph), and often used by traffic headed to barangays
>> along it or the town centers it serves. Just for guidance (but can
>> influence classification), usually a unnumbered national road or provincial
>> road.
>>
>>
>> --TagaSanPedroAko
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Re: [talk-ph] Draw the line between primary and secondary road classes for rural areas.

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hi Jherome,

I think the problem with discussing the road classifications in the
Philippines is that the proposals you are suggesting are too abstract.

Here's a suggestion: Why not create a simple map using uMap[1] showing how
your proposed changes would affect the road network in a few selected
provinces in the country. Let's select, say, Guimaras, Negros Oriental, and
Pangasinan as those provinces. Then once we are able to visualize how your
proposed road networks look like then we can have a more concrete
discussion about your proposed changes.

[1] https://umap.openstreetmap.fr/en/

~Eugene


On Sat, May 30, 2020 at 4:37 AM Jherome Miguel 
wrote:

> It 's been months since we went through this whole conversation to revamp
> our road classification which haven 't changed to take in account other
> possible factors, but to completely draw the line between primary and
> secondary class roads in rural areas (which other mappers haven't
> completely accepted), I'm presenting again the new definitions by context
> as I originally elaborated, except for additions from further observation.:
>
> * Primary
> -- Urban: Non-trunk major arterials, usually a numbered national road.
> Serves as a major route across town. Just for guidance, usually
> three-digit highways under DPWH. Can consider upgrade to trunk if road is
> like an expressway between at least two major intersections, with
> overpasses/flyovers or underpasses over congested crossings, and most
> smaller intersections closed and replaced with a U-turn slot somewhere
> nearby.
> --Rural/regional: Major non-trunk highways that connect to all other
> cities as well as large towns. Lower in importance than trunk, but still
> the main way around a region or province. Just for guidance, usually
> three-digit highways under DPWH.
> * Secondary
> --Urban: Minor arterials, connecting at least 3 barangays or districts,
> not necessarily within the same city/municipality. Not heavily traveled as
> the primary or trunk routes, but still important routes within an urban
> area. Can be a "promoted" tertiary (collector) road, with higher quality
> and more traffic. Just for guidance, are mostly unnumbered roads under DPWH
> ("national tertiary roads"), and city/municipal roads.
> -- Rural - Smaller highways that connects [a] small town centers[s] or
> serves as an alternate route to a major numbered route it parallels. Lower
> travel speeds (40-60 kph), and often used by traffic headed to barangays
> along it or the town centers it serves. Just for guidance (but can
> influence classification), usually a unnumbered national road or provincial
> road.
>
>
> --TagaSanPedroAko
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[talk-ph] Fwd: [OSM-talk] HOT Update

[Eugene Alvin Villar]

Hello all,

I'm forwarding some big news from the Humanitarian OpenStreetMap Team (HOT)
that may hugely affect the OSM community in the Philippines over the next
few years.

Yesterday, HOT announced that they are one of the eight recipients of a
multi-year funding from TED's The Audacious Project. Please see the
following links for more information:

- The Audacious Project website: https://audaciousproject.org/
- Wikipedia article about the The Audacious Project:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Audacious_Project
- The Audacious Project's page for HOT:
https://audaciousproject.org/ideas/2020/humanitarian-openstreetmap-team
- HOT's announcement: https://www.hotosm.org/updates/audacious-announcement/
- HOT's FAQ page for the project: https://www.hotosm.org/audacious-faq

One of the things HOT will be doing is setting up four regional hubs
worldwide and Manila was selected as the HQ/hub for the Asia Pacific
region. They will also hire around 13 or so people to support the Asia
Pacific hub.

~Eugene

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From: Tyler Radford 
Date: Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 9:51 PM
Subject: [OSM-talk] HOT Update
To: OpenStreetMap talk mailing list 


Hi,

We wanted to share some news about HOT's work over the next five years,
which has been launched today -
https://www.hotosm.org/updates/audacious-announcement/

*Tyler Radford*
Executive Director
tyler.radf...@hotosm.org
@TylerSRadford

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