Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-12 Thread Tijmen Stam
On 13-05-19 00:14, Jo wrote: I like to keep things simple, the best way to accomplish that, is by having a single object for each stop that holds all the details for its "lifetime". That's why I don't like the idea of 'upgrading from a node to a way/area or a relation. I don't agree with you

Re: [Talk-transit] Old railways

2019-05-12 Thread Tijmen Stam
On 13-05-19 01:33, Mike N wrote: On 5/12/2019 1:45 PM, Tijmen Stam wrote: Btw, do you know of a way to copy data from one layer in JOSM to another, while keeping it at the exact same position? Edit / Paste at Source Position (CTRL+ALT+V). Thank you (and John Whelan) I still wish it was eas

Re: [Talk-transit] Old railways

2019-05-12 Thread john whelan
>Btw, do you know of a way to copy data from one layer in JOSM to another, while keeping it at the exact same position? Create a new layer down load a tiny area with nothing in it works fine. Select what you want to copy and copy to new layer. Cheerio John On Sun, May 12, 2019, 1:46 PM Tijmen

Re: [Talk-transit] Old railways

2019-05-12 Thread Mike N
On 5/12/2019 1:45 PM, Tijmen Stam wrote: Btw, do you know of a way to copy data from one layer in JOSM to another, while keeping it at the exact same position? Edit / Paste at Source Position (CTRL+ALT+V). I still wish it was easier to migrate objects to Open Historical Map. While I also don

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-12 Thread Jo
I like to keep things simple, the best way to accomplish that, is by having a single object for each stop that holds all the details for its "lifetime". That's why I don't like the idea of 'upgrading from a node to a way/area or a relation. So a node next to the highway per stop. I started adding

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-12 Thread Tijmen Stam
On 07-05-19 15:29, Dave F via Talk-transit wrote: On 06/05/2019 19:53, Stephen Sprunk wrote: On 2019-05-03 12:09, Dave F via Talk-transit wrote: This reinforces my point about misappropriation of tags. A platform is a physical construction higher than the surrounding ground to allow easier boa

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-12 Thread Tijmen Stam
On 09-05-19 23:03, Markus wrote: On Tue, 7 May 2019 at 21:15, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: 7c. From what I'm understand, this bus stop node does not have to be connected to a pedestrian highway either, with routers presumably jumping from the nearest highway? Yes, this is what OsmAnd does. 8. A

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-12 Thread Tijmen Stam
On 07-05-19 22:51, Richard Mann wrote: My impression is that this mess arises because bus stops are uni-directional and independent from the opposite direction. So we're used to having them as separate entities to the side of the road. Whereas tram stops are often in a single location for both

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-12 Thread Markus
On Sun, 12 May 2019 at 18:06, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > > A requirement would be having one direction per relation, otherwise > vehicles going in opposite directions might still be mapped to an > incorrect stop_position if 2+ trip directions pass through a station. Yes, this was the idea: PTv1 ta

Re: [Talk-transit] Old railways

2019-05-12 Thread Tijmen Stam
On 12-05-19 17:48, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: On Sun, 12 May 2019 at 07:54, Tijmen Stam wrote: In my environment, some people are adding old ("razed" railways to openstreetmak, of which no trace is visible in the field. It concerns both old railways which have been gone since 1933, e.g. https://ww

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-12 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Sun, 12 May 2019 at 09:57, Jarek Piórkowski wrote: > I can imagine calculating correct stop position being challenging in > case of multi-lane bus stations like > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/37096072 (looks like > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Islington_TTC_Bus_Barns.jpg in > reality

Re: [Talk-transit] Old railways

2019-05-12 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Sun, 12 May 2019 at 07:54, Tijmen Stam wrote: > In my environment, some people are adding old ("razed" railways to > openstreetmak, of which no trace is visible in the field. > It concerns both old railways which have been gone since 1933, e.g. > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/592259029 (Not

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-12 Thread Jarek Piórkowski
On Thu, 9 May 2019 at 17:04, Markus wrote: > Could you please give some examples where the stop position can't be > calculated from the waiting area? I'd also like to know for which use > cases the stop positions are necessary. I can imagine calculating correct stop position being challenging in

[Talk-transit] Old railways

2019-05-12 Thread Tijmen Stam
Hello, In my environment, some people are adding old ("razed" railways to openstreetmak, of which no trace is visible in the field. It concerns both old railways which have been gone since 1933, e.g. https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/592259029 (Note that this piece still is somewhat visible, a

Re: [Talk-transit] Ideas for a simplified public transportation scheme

2019-05-12 Thread Dave F via Talk-transit
For reasons I've already stated I disagree with everything in this post, but this epitomises why the public transport schema concept was a complete cock-up: I think it is suitable to go the way of unifying it as much as possible under the p_t-umbrella. * It wasn't to enable routers to desi