[Talk-transit] Bus/Tram/Metro paths export
Hello, after doing so much work onto bus/tram relations in my city Padova, I'd like now to extract some geographically exact paths of single routes from OSM database, possibly in SVG format, and use them on a Padova-PT website I am going to build soon. Most of you are probably familiar with http://78.46.81.38/public_transport.html , and I can already obtain sketches of the routes, but my aim is to obtain something with this output: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/Ligne_4.gif for just a single line like in the example, or also with more lines (selecting for example all evening lines, or all Sunday lines). In this case, for a simpler rendering of everything, the stops aside the way should be coupled together if they have the same name (as in OPNVKarte) and the corresponding dot should be part of the drawn route. I do not have extendend programming skills, therefore I don't know how to obtain it, can somebody help? Thanks Tiziano ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism - a real example from Zürich
Hi, On 27.01.2011 10:49, Richard Mann wrote: I think we've got three broad decisions: 1) Whether the use of stop area / group relations should be a) widespread b) exceptional b 2) Whether route relations should a) contain all the variants in one relation, with no attempt at ordering, just stops identified as forward/backward b) try to match all the individual stop-sets that you might find in a timetable c) contain an ordered set of ways/stops, in whatever fashion the mapper feels appropriate b (by the way: how would (a) work in the case of a ring line?) 3) Whether there should be a new public_transport key, to try to clarify the bus_stop/tram_stop distinction a) aim to move tram_stops to alongside the track, and put something else (tram_stop_group / tram_station?) on the track b) aim to move bus_stops onto the road, and put something else (platform?) alongside c) encourage the use of platforms on tram systems, and use those in the relation instead of tram_stop d) add a new public_transport key, so that public_transport=platform can be used for everything c and d (we shouldn't redefine tags that are in million-times use!) cheers ant ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Bus/Tram/Metro paths export
Ciao Tiziano, I think I recently came across something which may be of interest to you - though I haven't yet tried it myself: http://svn.openstreetmap.org/applications/rendering/subway/ This script creates a network sketch (a crude form of the London tube map) from OSM data. To make it a tube map, you'd need to move points around using a vector graphics editor, the raw output seems to be much like the example you sent. Hope it helps Michael On 01/27/2011 11:31 AM, Tiziano D'Angelo wrote: Hello, after doing so much work onto bus/tram relations in my city Padova, I'd like now to extract some geographically exact paths of single routes from OSM database, possibly in SVG format, and use them on a Padova-PT website I am going to build soon. Most of you are probably familiar with http://78.46.81.38/public_transport.html , and I can already obtain sketches of the routes, but my aim is to obtain something with this output: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9b/Ligne_4.gif for just a single line like in the example, or also with more lines (selecting for example all evening lines, or all Sunday lines). In this case, for a simpler rendering of everything, the stops aside the way should be coupled together if they have the same name (as in OPNVKarte) and the corresponding dot should be part of the drawn route. I do not have extendend programming skills, therefore I don't know how to obtain it, can somebody help? Thanks Tiziano ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] Summary of Public Transport Proposal Criticism - a real example from Zürich
Am 27.01.2011 18:56, schrieb ant: Hi, On 27.01.2011 10:49, Richard Mann wrote: I think we've got three broad decisions: 1) Whether the use of stop area / group relations should be a) widespread b) exceptional b a) possibility to micromap. 2) Whether route relations should a) contain all the variants in one relation, with no attempt at ordering, just stops identified as forward/backward b) try to match all the individual stop-sets that you might find in a timetable c) contain an ordered set of ways/stops, in whatever fashion the mapper feels appropriate b (by the way: how would (a) work in the case of a ring line?) c) with b) prefered 3) Whether there should be a new public_transport key, to try to clarify the bus_stop/tram_stop distinction a) aim to move tram_stops to alongside the track, and put something else (tram_stop_group / tram_station?) on the track b) aim to move bus_stops onto the road, and put something else (platform?) alongside c) encourage the use of platforms on tram systems, and use those in the relation instead of tram_stop d) add a new public_transport key, so that public_transport=platform can be used for everything c and d (we shouldn't redefine tags that are in million-times use!) why not use public_transport=stop_position and platform from OXAMA cheers ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature
Following the call for a better proposal, Tiziano, Oscar and I have drafted up a simple proposal. It is based on how we have mapped the public transport networks in our cities (Padova, Ferrara and Milan), with some improvements that came up during this discussion. Our approach was to keep it simple, therefore we have deliberately not treated special cases. For now, we want to standardize the basics; once we have agreed on those, we can discuss special cases which might not be covered by the current proposal and draw up an amendment, to be decided separately. You can find the proposal at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Simplified_Public_Transport_Scheme Constructive feedback and suggestions are welcome and can be sent to the list or left on the proposal's discussion page. Michael OSM Mapper of the public transport network in Milan, Italy On 01/14/2011 11:52 AM, Oscar Formaggi wrote: I agree with Tiziano. I am among those interested in joining. Oscar OSM Mapper of the whole city bus network in Ferrara, Italy 2011/1/14 Tiziano D'Angelo tiziano.dang...@gmail.com mailto:tiziano.dang...@gmail.com How about you, [...] develop a better proposal? We seem to share the understanding of the flaws; a new proposal may lead to a secession, which is the ugliest thing possible, but I am not sure we can continue to improve the current proposal. I am in :) and the proposal should aim also to keep the existing status quo for backwards compatibility (i.e. highway=bus_stop as the essential basic element of a bus stop). I know there are more people who are interested to join. Tiziano OSM Mapper of the whole city bus network in Padova, Italy ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org mailto:Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature
route_ref does not seem obsolete to me. True, if the relation is defined, it can be determined from that by routers. But as long as that hasn't happened, this is the information that a mapper can take not of in the field. Then afterwards, it can help to add the appropriate stops to the route relation (semi-automatically if somebody codes it). We have quite a few express buses here that only stop at some of the stops they pass by. And then there are the school and marketbuses which might not even get route relations because they only run once a day/week. Jo 2011/1/27 Michael von Glasow mich...@vonglasow.com Following the call for a better proposal, Tiziano, Oscar and I have drafted up a simple proposal. It is based on how we have mapped the public transport networks in our cities (Padova, Ferrara and Milan), with some improvements that came up during this discussion. Our approach was to keep it simple, therefore we have deliberately not treated special cases. For now, we want to standardize the basics; once we have agreed on those, we can discuss special cases which might not be covered by the current proposal and draw up an amendment, to be decided separately. You can find the proposal at: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Simplified_Public_Transport_Scheme Constructive feedback and suggestions are welcome and can be sent to the list or left on the proposal's discussion page. Michael OSM Mapper of the public transport network in Milan, Italy On 01/14/2011 11:52 AM, Oscar Formaggi wrote: I agree with Tiziano. I am among those interested in joining. Oscar OSM Mapper of the whole city bus network in Ferrara, Italy 2011/1/14 Tiziano D'Angelo tiziano.dang...@gmail.com How about you, [...] develop a better proposal? We seem to share the understanding of the flaws; a new proposal may lead to a secession, which is the ugliest thing possible, but I am not sure we can continue to improve the current proposal. I am in :) and the proposal should aim also to keep the existing status quo for backwards compatibility (i.e. highway=bus_stop as the essential basic element of a bus stop). I know there are more people who are interested to join. Tiziano OSM Mapper of the whole city bus network in Padova, Italy ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing listTalk-transit@openstreetmap.orghttp://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
Re: [Talk-transit] NEW Proposed Feature
On 01/27/2011 11:37 PM, Jo wrote: route_ref does not seem obsolete to me. True, if the relation is defined, it can be determined from that by routers. But as long as that hasn't happened, this is the information that a mapper can take not of in the field. That's basically what I meant - you don't need it if there is a relation for each route and the stop is a member of it, but in absence of relations it can be useful. I'll change it from obsolete to optional. ___ Talk-transit mailing list Talk-transit@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-transit
