Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping bus routes with doglegs and loops

2015-02-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Feb 22, 2015 at 12:55 AM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Paul, How do passengers know where to go and stand if there are no physical markers? I think a bus stop should be able to be defined by the fact the driver knows where to halt and the passengers know where to wait. In our

Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping bus routes with doglegs and loops

2015-02-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 3:48 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Paul, I see what you mean now. I dropped the forward/backward roles on the ways a few years ago. Recently I thought that they should be a help for the sorting algorithm, but your example proves they aren't. Well, they do help

Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping bus routes with doglegs and loops

2015-02-21 Thread Jo
Hi Paul, How do passengers know where to go and stand if there are no physical markers? I think a bus stop should be able to be defined by the fact the driver knows where to halt and the passengers know where to wait. Isn't that 'convention' also some sort of ground truth? Im sure this case

Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping bus routes with doglegs and loops

2015-02-21 Thread Jo
Hi Paul, I see what you mean now. I dropped the forward/backward roles on the ways a few years ago. Recently I thought that they should be a help for the sorting algorithm, but your example proves they aren't. I've been developing a script, which tries to use other good relations to fix the one

Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping bus routes with doglegs and loops

2015-02-21 Thread Jo
Hi Paul, It helps, when you select a subset of ways and only let JOSM sort those automatically. Can you select one of the relations, then do Ctrl-Shft-h, then copy that url. Jo 2015-02-21 21:12 GMT+01:00 Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org: Is there an easy way to map these? In JOSM, I run into

[Talk-transit] Mapping bus routes with doglegs and loops

2015-02-21 Thread Paul Johnson
Is there an easy way to map these? In JOSM, I run into problems with trying to sort when I edit that pretty much complicates the situation to the point where I end up having to start over if I get the order wrong, and the public transport plugin isn't the most stable thing in the world. Starting

Re: [Talk-transit] Mapping bus routes with doglegs and loops

2015-02-21 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sat, Feb 21, 2015 at 2:31 PM, Jo winfi...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Paul, It helps, when you select a subset of ways and only let JOSM sort those automatically. True, but if you've had to edit a section of a dogleg to add another, sub dogleg, this breaks, too. The ground truth is breaking the