Chris Hunter wrote:
Can anyone who's been following the licensing thread over on the talk@ list
summarize the current state of the discussion? I tried to follow it for a
while, but my mailbox was filling too fast.
Oh, I'm sure you didn't mean that as a troll, but that's what it is.
An answer
Hi there,
I have found county borders here :
http://www.esri.com/data/download/census2000-tigerline/index.html
http://www.census.gov/geo/www/cob/cs2000.html
I converted one, Atlantic County NJ and found that there were some
local borders (town borders) but no county borders.
My plan is to use
I have found a nice source of ZipCode boundries,
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/h4ck3rm1k3/diary/8994
do you want to import them?
mike
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Hey Mike,
Where did you find the ZIP Code boundaries? They are licensed data from the
USPS and would not have a compatible license for OSM. Or are you refering
to ZCTAs (ZIP Code Tabulation Areas)? ZCTAs are not the same thing as ZIP
codes http://www.census.gov/geo/ZCTA/zcta.html. They are
Hi,
I posted the sources, nothing from UPS,
but from the us census :
Five digit splitting of NJ:
http://www.census.gov/geo/cob/bdy/zt/z500shp/zt34_d00_shp.zip
Three digit splitting of NJ:
http://www.census.gov/geo/cob/bdy/zt/z300shp/z334_d00_shp.zip
This is just processed using the shp2osm.pl
Ahh, I mean the ZIP Code Tabulation Areas.
I checked it for my home town 07933 and was very happy.
My plan was to use this as as starting point.
mike
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 3:29 PM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote:
Hey Mike,
Where did you find the ZIP Code boundaries? They are
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 7:57 AM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
I have found a nice source of ZipCode boundries,
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/h4ck3rm1k3/diary/8994
do you want to import them?
mike
No. Zip codes do not represent geographic
Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
No. Zip codes do not represent geographic regions. They should not be in a
the map data, but in a separate database.
Please explain your reasoning. This claim seems quite
counterintuitive to me.
A Zip is part of everyone's address just like city and state.
I've
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Jeff Barlow j...@wb6csv.net wrote:
Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
No. Zip codes do not represent geographic regions. They should not be in a
the map data, but in a separate database.
Please explain your reasoning. This claim seems quite
counterintuitive to
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Jeff Barlow j...@wb6csv.net wrote:
Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
No. Zip codes do not represent geographic regions. They should not be in
a
the map data, but in a separate database.
Please explain your reasoning. This claim seems quite
counterintuitive
Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote:
A Zip Code is a routing code. It doesn't represent geography any more
than you can do a 1:1 mapping of iP address to physical location.
You can do a Pretty good job by simplifying the data, but zip codes
are attributes of addresses, not regions.
If you
please just take a look at the OSM file i uploaded they are regions of
NJ all split up into approximate regions. It looks pretty good.
Even if they are not the real zipcode, but approximates, they could be
at least used to double check points.
My idea is to take the points from the EPA that have
Based on what is posted there, the OSM could become a good source of zip data.
We import the census data, and then let people update it. Eventually,
if we all work together, we can build the best zip code database in
the county.
mike
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 5:32 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 11:10 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.comwrote:
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 10:46 AM, Jeff Barlow j...@wb6csv.net wrote:
Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
No. Zip codes do not represent geographic regions. They should not be
in a
the map data, but in a separate
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Jeremy Adams mile...@king-nerd.comwrote:
One can easily figure out what town someone is from based on their ZIP
Code. Is this not the case everywhere?
Certainly not. There are lots of zip codes which represent multiple towns,
and lots of towns which
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Jeremy Adams mile...@king-nerd.comwrote:
One can easily figure out what town someone is from based on their ZIP
Code. Is this not the case everywhere?
Certainly not. There are lots of zip
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:45 PM, Jeremy Adams mile...@king-nerd.comwrote:
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:41 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Jeremy Adams mile...@king-nerd.comwrote:
One can easily figure out what town someone is from based on their ZIP
Code.
Listen, Yes, and the zipcode of my area surrounds my old house.
please just load the osm file in your josm and look.
here is the file :
http://ia341326.us.archive.org/0/items/OpenstreetmapZipcodes/zt34_d00.osm
mike
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 6:45 PM, Jeremy Adams mile...@king-nerd.com wrote:
On
I posted some comments on the blog post about zip codes:
For splitting up OSM data, I suggest splitting data up by counties or other
geographic units (e.g. census tracts).
Zip code boundaries are problematic and should not be imported. In reality,
zip codes are merely attributes assigned to
data from census isn't best quality and it will just repeat the errors
from tiger import. tiger roads have already zip codes. there is no
additional value.
in the long term full address data is the way to go.
imports for data from census should be done only locally where mapper
can verify the
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
No, the code doesn't represent a geographic area. You can force it into a
geographic area, by defining the area in some particular way (e.g. a
multipolygon of all buildings which receive mail addressed to that zip
code). Of
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 7:39 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote:
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
Based on what is posted there, the OSM could become a good source of zip
data.
We import the census data, and then let people update it. Eventually,
if we all work together,
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 8:53 PM, Chris Hunter chunter...@gmail.com wrote:
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:53 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote:
No, the code doesn't represent a geographic area. You can force it into a
geographic area, by defining the area in some particular way (e.g. a
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 2:54 PM, jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
This is even more detailed,
I have uploaded the osm files :
http://ia341327.us.archive.org/0/items/OpenstreetmapZipcodes/tl_2009_34_zcta5.osm
and
Hi,
Anthony wrote:
No. Zip codes do not represent geographic regions. They should not be
in a the map data, but in a separate database.
If I may chime in from the other side of the pond. Here in Germany we
have post codes as well (hear, hear) and they are, theoretically, an
artifact used
I understand! The counties are fine for splitting up the data.
These zip codes are very interesting anyway, but it looks like some
real work will be needed to process them. After looking on the net, I
think there will be a big market for such data and I am facinated by
the idea of being able to
Mike,
Take a look at Dave Hansen's work with the US Census Bureau's TIGER data.
I'm pretty sure he's on vacation at the moment, but some of his codebase
might be useful for your project.
http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2009-November/002064.html
Jeff Barlow wrote:
Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote:
A Zip Code is a routing code. It doesn't represent geography any more
than you can do a 1:1 mapping of iP address to physical location.
You can do a Pretty good job by simplifying the data, but zip codes
are attributes of addresses,
jamesmikedup...@googlemail.com wrote:
I have found a nice source of ZipCode boundries,
http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/h4ck3rm1k3/diary/8994
do you want to import them?
mike
How accurate are they?
If it's like the TIGER city limit data, I say no. (TIGER is radically
wrong about where
Anthony wrote:
On Sun, Dec 20, 2009 at 12:29 PM, Jeremy Adams mile...@king-nerd.comwrote:
One can easily figure out what town someone is from based on their ZIP
Code. Is this not the case everywhere?
Certainly not. There are lots of zip codes which represent multiple towns,
and lots of
Mike,
How do you plan to make money off of this? When you buy road data from
Navteq and Teleatlas you can get their ZIP code boundaries with it so
everything lines up all nicely. Though the quality of that data is usually
more up to date than the ZCTAs.
Unfortunately I don't see the ZCTAs as
The USPS treats ZIP codes as an extension of address data and as such, they
should be treated as point data, since they are an attribute of the address
associated with a building or a property parcel. The problem with creating
polygons out of these points is that the ZIP codes don't cleave neatly
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