Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread SteveC
It's pretty bonkers. Anyone is welcome to join the LWG call each week or read the minutes, and be as involved as you like. License changes will always throw up people who don't like it, and the LWG has been going through peoples legitimate and illegitimate concerns for two years I think it's

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread SteveC
On May 11, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Chris Hunter wrote: Well, between the new links on the map and today's WIKI edit, it looks like the Brits have decided to shove the ODbL down our throats after all. I have major philosophical issues with the way the license change is being handled, and feel

[Talk-us] SOTM USA

2010-05-12 Thread SteveC
Minutes for SOTM US run out in March http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/US_SOTM#Weekly_calls There aren't any sponsors to speak of? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_United_States/US_SOTM/Sponsorship The server is still blank? http://openstreetmap.us/

Re: [Talk-us] SOTM USA

2010-05-12 Thread SteveC
It's been pointed out that there is a SOTM US website, but it's mostly empty right now: http://stateofthemap.us/ This wasn't even linked from the wiki, I fixed that. There is a phone call tomorrow which I guess uses the same details that have been advertised for last month:

Re: [Talk-us] SOTM USA

2010-05-12 Thread Kate Chapman
There is a new site at http://www.sotm.us, I need to switch the DNS of stateofthemap.us to point at it as well. Thank you for updating the wiki. Kate On May 12, 2010, at 2:16 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: It's been pointed out that there is a SOTM US website, but it's mostly

Re: [Talk-us] SOTM USA

2010-05-12 Thread SteveC
so it's happening? cool.. can you fill in what's happened with the lack of minutes? On May 12, 2010, at 12:24 PM, Kate Chapman wrote: There is a new site at http://www.sotm.us, I need to switch the DNS of stateofthemap.us to point at it as well. Thank you for updating the wiki. Kate

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread Alan Millar
the LWG has been going through peoples legitimate and illegitimate concerns for two years I think it's been now. We've had lawyers checking everything at every step of the way. I personally just want to say thank you to the license working group for taking on the thankless job of

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/12/10 10:19 AM, SteveC wrote: It's pretty bonkers. Anyone is welcome to join the LWG call each week or read the minutes, and be as involved as you like. License changes will always throw up people who don't like it, and the LWG has been going through peoples legitimate and illegitimate

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread Anthony
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, SteveC wrote: I am being careful to only delete objects that have not been touched since I created them - roads, portions of the TN River, etc... Please respect my wishes and do not undelete these objects.

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Anthony wrote: What if a new contributor reverts it? Would the revert then be considered ODBL? A revert is an edit like any other. What does that mean? It means that the legal situation in the following two cases is exactly the same: 1) A creates road; B edits

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread SteveC
On May 12, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Anthony wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, SteveC wrote: I am being careful to only delete objects that have not been touched since I created them - roads, portions of the TN River, etc... Please respect

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 13 May 2010 02:32, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Anthony wrote:         What if a new contributor reverts it?  Would the revert then be         considered ODBL?     A revert is an edit like any other. What does that mean? It means that the legal situation in the following

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 01:39 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Terribly thought out process. Terrible idea in the first place. IMHO the terrible idea was to start out with CC-BY-SA in the first place; had we simply been PD all along, nobody would have made a fuss and we could have saved

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread Bill Ricker
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: this change is pretty much necessary for OSM to achieve its goals. my new employer runs all this stuff through their lawyers; they would probably not approve the CCBYSA and probably would approve the new license, as

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread Bill Ricker
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: Some very smart lawyers at very big companies in the US and in law schools also based on what i read on web claim that PD doesn't really exist, as Congress has mangled our laws, that seems to be the state here now: Copyright

[Talk-us] MSP mapping party 12 June 2010

2010-05-12 Thread Richard Weait
As seen on Twitter. From @yellowbkpk OpenStreetMap mapping party scheduled for 2pm June 12 at the Walker Library in Uptown. #osm http://plancast.com/a/354t If you are within a few hours drive to MSP, you should go. Join the fun at a mapping party. Collaborate with other mappers and meet some