Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-05 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Kerry Irons wrote: Nathan, [...] Please advise when you will remove these tags. Nathan (NE2) has been given an indefinite ban from OpenStreetMap on account of his inability to work with others on what is a crowd-sourcing project: http://www.openstreetmap.org/user_blocks/347 It'll therefore

[Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-05 Thread Brad Neuhauser
Kerry, NE2 has been indefinitely banned (see http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2013-May/010867.html ) so if you want these changed, have at it. Cheers, Brad On Wednesday, June 5, 2013, KerryIrons wrote: Nathan, 3 months ago we discussed the existence of US Bicycle Route

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/6/5 KerryIrons irons54vor...@sbcglobal.net 3 months ago we discussed the existence of US Bicycle Route number tags in the Midwest. The OSM consensus was clear: only approved US Bicycle Routes should be tagged in OSM. Since those routes (21, 25, 50, 80, 84 and 35 in Indiana) have not

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 05.06.2013 14:29, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I am mostly not mapping in the US, me neither... but I'd like to raise awareness that in Europe proposed bicycle routes are often mapped, and I don't see a problem as long as they are mapped as proposed and not as in place. AFAIK,

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-05 Thread Paul Johnson
This creates major issues for many routes in the US, especially bike routes, US Historic 66, US Historic 30, and US Historic 666, which due to regional significance, unique and interesting signage, or both, frequently are missing trailblazers, confirmation signage or way finding signage in part or

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-05 Thread Martin Koppenhöfer
Am 05.06.2013 um 19:20 schrieb Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: The usual OSM approach would be that if a route is signposted, then it can be mapped - if not, then not. Somehow the on-the-ground rule was extended to include what is verifiable on paper as well. See administrative borders

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-05 Thread KerryIrons
Some clarification is needed. It is not that these roads might be good bicycle routes or even that they are perhaps part of existing or proposed bicycle routes. But they are not approved US Bicycle Routes and therefore do not have a USBR route number. The maps show them as having a USBR route

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-05 Thread Frederik Ramm
Kerry, On 06.06.2013 00:40, KerryIrons wrote: It is not that these roads might be good bicycle routes or even that they are perhaps part of existing or proposed bicycle routes. But they are not approved US Bicycle Routes and therefore do not have a USBR route number. The maps show them as

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-05 Thread Greg Troxel
Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org writes: An argument *against* having proposed routes is the verifiability - we usually try to have data where someone on the ground could easily check the correctness by looking at signs. Since proposed routes are unlikely to be signposted, having them in

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-05 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 5 June 2013 23:50, Martin Koppenhöfer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Am 05.06.2013 um 19:20 schrieb Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org: The usual OSM approach would be that if a route is signposted, then it can be mapped - if not, then not. Somehow the on-the-ground rule was extended

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-05 Thread Thomas Colson
I’m confused: is the issue tagging a bike route with some sort of official number when it really doesn’t have one, or just tagging any way as a “bike route” without including an official number? From: andrzej zaborowski [mailto:balr...@gmail.com] Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2013 7:03 PM To:

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-05 Thread Greg Troxel
Thomas Colson thomas_col...@nps.gov writes: I'm confused: is the issue tagging a bike route with some sort of official number when it really doesn’t have one, The current discussion is about tagging a proposed bike route with a number in USBR namespace, when the USBR naming authority has not

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-05 Thread stevea
On 05.06.2013 14:29, Martin Koppenhoefer wrote: I'd like to raise awareness that in Europe proposed bicycle routes are often mapped, and I don't see a problem as long as they are mapped as proposed and not as in place. Proposed bicycle routes rendering as dashed lines are VERY useful to us

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-05 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 5:40 PM, KerryIrons irons54vor...@sbcglobal.netwrote: I have no problem with OSM mappers putting proposed bike routes on maps but they should not be assigning USBR route numbers to them when they are not approved USBRs. In some cases there is a process underway to get a

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-05 Thread Paul Johnson
On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 6:14 PM, Greg Troxel g...@ir.bbn.com wrote: The current discussion is about tagging a proposed bike route with a number in USBR namespace, when the USBR naming authority has not put that router/number into proposed status. Then the relevant bodies need to stop bandying

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-05 Thread stevea
I just wanted to add that the CycleNet proposal I mentioned in my previous post is simply a numbering protocol added to ALREADY EXISTING (Class I, II and III) bicycle infrastructure. All of the proposed routes are actual bicycle infrastructure out there today. What is being proposed is

[Talk-us] AOL Patch and OpenStreetMap

2013-06-05 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Not so long ago the maps used on AOL's patch properties were OpenStreetMap based. It really worked out well since so much of the content was locally generated, wiki content matched the wiki maps. That changed... anyone know when or why? ___ Talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] AOL Patch and OpenStreetMap

2013-06-05 Thread Mike N
On 6/5/2013 10:27 PM, Bryce Nesbitt wrote: Not so long ago the maps used on AOL's patch properties were OpenStreetMap based. It really worked out well since so much of the content was locally generated, wiki content matched the wiki maps. That changed... anyone know when or why? My local

Re: [Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-05 Thread Paul Johnson
What's the source for this system? Is it widely adopted? On Wed, Jun 5, 2013 at 7:01 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: I just wanted to add that the CycleNet proposal I mentioned in my previous post is simply a numbering protocol added to ALREADY EXISTING (Class I, II and III)

[Talk-us] Removing US Bicycle Route tags

2013-06-05 Thread Volker Schmidt
part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/attachments/20130605/e134824d/attachment-0001.html -- Message: 3 Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2013 14:29:19 +0200 From: Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com