Re: [Talk-us] Bing imagery update

2013-12-05 Thread James Umbanhowar
According to http://www.ncgicc.com/Default.aspx?tabid=135 and links therein, they are doing 1/4 of the state per year on a rolling basis. This year they photographed the eastern Piedmont and are currently getting it ready for release, probably in early 2014. In 2014 they are photographing

Re: [Talk-us] Separate relations for each direction of US State highways.

2013-12-05 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi James, I had not thought of the Case of the Hidden Segments. It makes sense to tag them, but would it not be more in line with general OSM tagging practice to use role:signed = yes/no? I think it's a valuable extension on the role discussion, perhaps you can add a paragraph to the wiki page

Re: [Talk-us] Separate relations for each direction of US State highways.

2013-12-05 Thread Martijn van Exel
I think the unsigned_ref practice is so common here that we should just keep that practice. Perhaps also a good one to document on the wiki. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Directions_In_The_United_States may not be the best place for it unless we want to make this page cover the

Re: [Talk-us] Separate relations for each direction of US State highways.

2013-12-05 Thread Martijn van Exel
On Sat, Nov 30, 2013 at 11:57 AM, James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com wrote: Peter, it would just be for the relations. It would stay the current status-quo for the ways using at all times the ref unsigned_ref tags (see I-394 example below). In your example with I-394 and US-12, if you

Re: [Talk-us] Separate relations for each direction of US State highways.

2013-12-05 Thread Martijn van Exel
Richard - true. It's sort of a chicken vs egg situation. As long as there is no clear use case for one or the other, both practices will remain in use. That's why I was so excited to see work continue on the shield rendering which uses the refs on the relations. As I mentioned, at Telenav we also

Re: [Talk-us] Separate relations for each direction of US State highways.

2013-12-05 Thread Martijn van Exel
I just created a stub for the signed / unsigned paragraph on http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Directions_In_The_United_States - however, the {{Tag}} template does not support the inclusion of a | as far as I can see.. Please feel free to expand / edit. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:25 AM,

Re: [Talk-us] Separate relations for each direction of US State highways.

2013-12-05 Thread Richard Welty
On 12/5/13 12:17 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: For what it's worth, at Telenav we have started relying solely on the relation refs when it comes to route numbers. The way refs just seem so cumbersome to maintain, and make for a lot of redundant information. This is the stuff that relations were

Re: [Talk-us] Separate relations for each direction of US State highways.

2013-12-05 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2013/12/5 Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org I think the unsigned_ref practice is so common here that we should just keep that practice. Perhaps also a good one to document on the wiki. http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Highway_Directions_In_The_United_States may not be the best place for it

[Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-talk] SotM-EU 2014 in Karlsruhe, Germany

2013-12-05 Thread Richard Weait
Dear All, Make your plans to attend SotM-EU, in Karlsruhe, Germany, in June 2014. -- Forwarded message -- From: Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org Date: Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 9:33 AM Subject: [OSM-talk] SotM-EU 2014 in Karlsruhe, Germany To: Talk Openstreetmap

Re: [Talk-us] Separate relations for each direction of US State highways.

2013-12-05 Thread James Mast
Martijn, How would you suggest using the role:signed = yes/no (or is this just for completely unsigned highways like I-124 in TN where we can add this info into the main tags of the relation)? We would still need a way to keep the direction for the unsigned segment of the route in the role so

Re: [Talk-us] Separate relations for each direction of US State highways.

2013-12-05 Thread Kam, Kristen -(p)
Hi All: I have a question: Why can't there be member tag values? There are tag values for ways, so why not members? Just a thought. Best, Kristen --- OSM Profile -- http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/KristenK From: James Mast [mailto:rickmastfa...@hotmail.com] Sent: Thursday, December 05,

Re: [Talk-us] Marion and Lane County, Oregon county roads

2013-12-05 Thread Dion Dock
Date: Mon, 02 Dec 2013 07:07:29 -0500 From: Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Marion and Lane County, Oregon county roads Message-ID: 529c7801.2080...@averillpark.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 On 12/2/13 3:50 AM,

[Talk-us] Fwd: Separate relations for each direction of US State highways.

2013-12-05 Thread Martijn van Exel
Forgot to include talk-us in my response to James. -- Forwarded message -- From: Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org Date: Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 11:01 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Separate relations for each direction of US State highways. To: James Mast rickmastfa...@hotmail.com On

Re: [Talk-us] Separate relations for each direction of US State highways.

2013-12-05 Thread Martijn van Exel
Ways are objects in their own right, so they can have tags, but members only exist as a reference on a relation, so there is not really a model for tags on members. On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 6:44 PM, Kam, Kristen -(p) krist...@telenav.com wrote: Hi All: I have a question: Why can’t there be

Re: [Talk-us] Separate relations for each direction of US State highways.

2013-12-05 Thread Martijn van Exel
Another update on this: following James's earlier suggestion that we needed editor support for the n/s/e/w roles with way direction reversal and (in the case of JOSM) the relation editor, I got some dev time at Telenav to get the necessary JOSM patches done. I already submitted the iD patch myself