Re: [Talk-us] U turn restrictions in areas

2015-08-18 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 12:00 PM, Tod Fitch t...@fitchdesign.com wrote: prima-facia speed limits in most of the US At least with relatively simple examples (such as the county-wide and city-wide speed limits found commonly in Oklahoma, Kansas, northern Texas and southeastern Colorado, posted

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2015-08-18 Thread Brian May
On 8/18/2015 10:01 AM, Torsten Karzig wrote: As mentioned earlier part of the problem is a confusion between tagging what is there (landcover) and what it is used for (landuse). In the wiki we actually have a consistent approach (Approach 1) to make this distinction. Using natural=wood as a

Re: [Talk-us] U turn restrictions in areas

2015-08-18 Thread Tod Fitch
There are a number of traffic laws that are not always posted and vary for each administrative area. U-turns in Oregon, prima-facia speed limits in most of the US, etc. I think there should be a way of tagging the bounding polygon or boundary relation with that information to see the defaults a

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2015-08-18 Thread Mike Thompson
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:34 AM, Brian May b...@mapwise.com wrote: Also I think its been mentioned the boundary should be tagged as boundary=protected_area which handles the overall mission of national forests is to conserve our forests. However, the issue comes up that there are different

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2015-08-18 Thread stevea
Tod Fitch writes: We are using British English here and timber appears to mean production of wood for building. See, for example, http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/timber You may define casual wood gathering of firewood a timber operation but I am pretty sure the forest

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2015-08-18 Thread Tod Fitch
On Aug 18, 2015, at 4:17 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: Torsten Karzig wrote: Remove the landuse=forest tag except for regions that are clearly used for forestry. Now, slow down here. It has been (and is, I argue) quite reasonable to tag National Forests

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2015-08-18 Thread stevea
Torsten Karzig wrote: As mentioned earlier part of the problem is a confusion between tagging what is there (landcover) and what it is used for (landuse). In the wiki we actually have a consistent approach (Approach 1) to make this distinction. Using natural=wood as a landcover tag and

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2015-08-18 Thread Paul Norman
On 8/18/2015 1:58 PM, Ben Discoe wrote: As someone who has worked on protected areas in OSM globally, it has always been obvious that the landuse tags and the boundary tags serve clear and different purposes. US National Forests are boundaries around land which contain many uses(*), and

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2015-08-18 Thread Eric Ladner
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 9:02 AM Torsten Karzig torsten.kar...@web.de wrote: As mentioned earlier part of the problem is a confusion between tagging what is there (landcover) and what it is used for (landuse). In the wiki we actually have a consistent approach (Approach 1) to make this

Re: [Talk-us] Arm chair mapping challenges

2015-08-18 Thread James Mast
Yeah, I've had some problem edits from the MapBox paid editors as well not paying attention and believing that the Tiger data and Bing is pretty much 'always right'. They most of the time don't even check the history of ways before they edit and add back in stuff that another 'on-the-ground'

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2015-08-18 Thread Torsten Karzig
As mentioned earlier part of the problem is a confusion between tagging what is there (landcover) and what it is used for (landuse). In the wiki we actually have a consistent approach (Approach 1) to make this distinction. Using natural=wood as a landcover tag and landuse=forest for areas of

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2015-08-18 Thread Eric Ladner
On Mon, Aug 17, 2015 at 6:18 PM Mike Thompson miketh...@gmail.com wrote: The common meaning of forest is a large tract of land covered with trees and underbrush; woodland[1] However, many parts of US National Forests do not have trees, and either will never have trees, or will not have them

Re: [Talk-us] U turn restrictions in areas

2015-08-18 Thread Paul Johnson
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: A colleague pointed out that there are areas (towns) where U turn restrictions are in place that govern all streets in that area. I wonder: 1) Does anyone know if this is common? I don't have any anecdotal experience.

Re: [Talk-us] U turn restrictions in areas

2015-08-18 Thread Joel Holdsworth
2) Is there a known tagging scheme for this? Area based traffic resctrictions? No, but it would be handy, because there's literally no way anybody's tagging this for every approach of every intersection with a traffic light, HAWK or half-signal in Oregon that doesn't have an

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2015-08-18 Thread Ben Discoe
Just to chime in.. As someone who has worked on protected areas in OSM globally, it has always been obvious that the landuse tags and the boundary tags serve clear and different purposes. US National Forests are boundaries around land which contain many uses(*), and landuse=forest is only one of

Re: [Talk-us] U turn restrictions in areas

2015-08-18 Thread Anthony
On Tue, Aug 18, 2015 at 1:03 PM, Paul Johnson ba...@ursamundi.org wrote: That'd have to be some super-script, aware of sightlines What would you need besides elevation information in order to be able to more or less do that? ___ Talk-us mailing list

Re: [Talk-us] Arm chair mapping challenges

2015-08-18 Thread Mike N
On 8/18/2015 10:27 AM, Tod Fitch wrote: Some other mapper has updated the area to remove the old buildings and streets and marked the area as under construction. All of that seems correct from what I’ve read in the paper and what little I can see on the ground. But it means the area differs

Re: [Talk-us] Tagging National Forests

2015-08-18 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi all, I really appreciate the productive discussion that ensued my initial question! In the mean time, a mapper approached me with concerns about my removing the landuse tags from the National Forests in Utah, so I reverted those changes: https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/33419230 -- I

[Talk-us] U turn restrictions in areas

2015-08-18 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi, A colleague pointed out that there are areas (towns) where U turn restrictions are in place that govern all streets in that area. I wonder: 1) Does anyone know if this is common? I don't have any anecdotal experience. 2) Is there a known tagging scheme for this? Area based traffic