Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

2019-12-16 Thread Michael Patrick
> > > secondary in most cases for the state > highways and primary for the US ones. > At least for the U.S., the Interstate vs. State Route distinction has more to do with funding than carrying capacity and physical attributes. We have several State Routes that are definitely expressways:

Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

2019-12-16 Thread Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, December 16, 2019 8:21 PM, Anthony Costanzo wrote: > Given how these and other major > single-carriageway roads in northern and western Canada are tagged as > Trunk, tagging AK 2 as such would seem to

Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

2019-12-16 Thread Anthony Costanzo
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 7:45 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 6:35 PM Anthony Costanzo wrote: >> >> All of AK 2 between Fairbanks and the Canadian border is paved. I can >> vouch for this personally. > > OK, so that's kinda putting more weight on the "primary" idea. Is most of

Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

2019-12-16 Thread stevea
In the USA, I think the answer is "both are extant." In short, it's the "trunk means this, absolutely and primary means that, absolutely" on the one hand and "around here, even paved with gravel, that road rises to the level of trunk, absolutely" on the other hand. And you have two hands.

Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

2019-12-16 Thread Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 ‐‐‐ Original Message ‐‐‐ On Monday, December 16, 2019 7:35 PM, Tod Fitch wrote: > My reading of the wiki indicates that for the United States a trunk is “a > high speed Arterial Divided highway that is partially grade separated.” [1] > >

Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

2019-12-16 Thread Evin Fairchild
Those roads in northern CA were tagged as trunk long after NE2 was banned from editing OSM. Also US 101 in Washington was tagged as trunk two years ago, and it doesn't bother me enough for me to change it back to primary. On Mon, Dec 16, 2019, 4:58 PM Paul Johnson wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 16,

Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

2019-12-16 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 6:47 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Alaska is not attached to the rest of the USA, so consistency with the > Yukon Territory and British Columbia is equally important. > > In the western USA, highway=trunk is not limited to expressways like it is > in Germany and France > >

Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

2019-12-16 Thread Evin Fairchild
Well I think Alaska is kind of an exception to the rest of the US given that there are no intercity freeways due to lack of demand. It's more equivalent to western Canada in that regard. Personally I think US highways should be tagged as trunk roads in most cases but that's an entirely different

Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

2019-12-16 Thread Tod Fitch
My reading of the wiki indicates that for the United States a trunk is “a high speed Arterial Divided highway that is partially grade separated.” [1] What is the problem with having the main road between regions/cities/towns being “primary”? Do you like the rendering of trunk better? For

Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

2019-12-16 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Alaska is not attached to the rest of the USA, so consistency with the Yukon Territory and British Columbia is equally important. In the western USA, highway=trunk is not limited to expressways like it is in Germany and France On the West Coast, several important State highways are tagged as

Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

2019-12-16 Thread Paul Johnson
Please strongly consider splitting digests into constituent messages with procmail or your MUA, or switch to the non-digest version to preserve threading. On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 6:35 PM Anthony Costanzo wrote: > > All of AK 2 between Fairbanks and the Canadian border is paved. I can > vouch

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2019-12-16 Thread Anthony Costanzo
> Date: Mon, 16 Dec 2019 18:21:59 -0600 > From: Paul Johnson > To: Joseph Eisenberg > Cc: "Eric H. Christensen" , "talk-us@openstreetmap.org" > > Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > On Mon, Dec 16,

Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

2019-12-16 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 6:26 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > Trunks are rarely expressways in remote parts of the world. In Britain, > where this tag started, many highway=trunk roads are not expressways or > motorroads. > Are we not trying to remain internally consistent with the rest of the US?

Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

2019-12-16 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
Trunks are rarely expressways in remote parts of the world. In Britain, where this tag started, many highway=trunk roads are not expressways or motorroads. Joseph On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at 8:22 AM Paul Johnson wrote: > > > On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 6:18 PM Joseph Eisenberg < >

Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

2019-12-16 Thread Evin Fairchild
Totally agree. Since Alaska doesn't have any freeways outside of Anchorage, these roads are the most important roads in the state and should be tagged as trunk. -Evin (compdude) On Mon, Dec 16, 2019, 4:20 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I would use highway=trunk the whole way for consistency. In

Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

2019-12-16 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 6:18 PM Joseph Eisenberg wrote: > I would use highway=trunk the whole way for consistency. In Canada the > connecting highway is also highway=trunk. This makes sense because AK 2 is > linking Fairbanks, the largest city in this part of Alaska, with All the > cities in

Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

2019-12-16 Thread Joseph Eisenberg
I would use highway=trunk the whole way for consistency. In Canada the connecting highway is also highway=trunk. This makes sense because AK 2 is linking Fairbanks, the largest city in this part of Alaska, with All the cities in Canada and the lower 48 States. -Joseph On Tue, Dec 17, 2019 at

Re: [Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

2019-12-16 Thread Paul Johnson
On Mon, Dec 16, 2019 at 5:35 PM Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us < talk-us@openstreetmap.org> wrote: > I've noticed that there is some mixed tagging of the Alaska Highway AK-2 > from the Canadian border through Delta Junction to where it becomes a > divided highway just south and east of Fairbanks

[Talk-us] Alaska Highway AK-2 tagging

2019-12-16 Thread Eric H. Christensen via Talk-us
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 I've noticed that there is some mixed tagging of the Alaska Highway AK-2 from the Canadian border through Delta Junction to where it becomes a divided highway just south and east of Fairbanks at Eielson Air Force Base. Some of the non-divided