Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

On 11/07/2017 11:46, Kerry Irons wrote: If all of you want to have some fun with jurisdictional boundaries, take a look at College Corner, OH/IN. It is a village purposefully straddling the OH/IN state lines with the main street being the state line. It has two zip codes, is in three

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 7:47 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: > I welcome and respect both of these perspectives, many, really and that can > be challenging. Minh's approach of "documenting what the map says" in the > wiki steps in a certain direction in the wiki that

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

Richard Welty rwelty at averillpark.net wrote (I paraphrase): Kevin oversimplified New York state admin_level; I live here and have different post and school office boundaries. Thank you, Richard: I am in listening mode. Our US_admin_level wiki mentions school districts, but nothing is stated

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 3:53 PM, Richard Welty wrote: > On 7/11/17 2:46 PM, Kerry Irons wrote: >> If all of you want to have some fun with jurisdictional boundaries, take a >> look at College Corner, OH/IN. It is a village purposefully straddling the >> OH/IN state

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Kerry Irons wrote: > If all of you want to have some fun with jurisdictional boundaries, take a > look at College Corner, OH/IN. It is a village purposefully straddling the > OH/IN state lines with the main street being the state line.

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Kerry Irons wrote: > If all of you want to have some fun with jurisdictional boundaries, take a > look at College Corner, OH/IN. It is a village purposefully straddling the > OH/IN state lines with the main street being the state line.

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

On 7/11/17 2:46 PM, Kerry Irons wrote: > If all of you want to have some fun with jurisdictional boundaries, take a > look at College Corner, OH/IN. It is a village purposefully straddling the > OH/IN state lines with the main street being the state line. It has two zip > codes, is in three

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

Frederik's description of colored polygons made me think of the French OSM instance, which can display admin level, ie http://layers.openstreetmap.fr/?zoom=5=39.9597=-78.77311=0B000FFFTFF Regarding Native American reservations, while there "is no consensus" there are a couple

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

Hi, On 07/11/2017 08:18 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: > I'm glad Adam brings up the topic of Gores, as I'm also unclear on how such > "holes" get "punched into" larger (multi)polygons via tagging. For example, > I am "sort-of-sure" (but not positive) that in Vermont, a "gore" (or grant, >

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

Kerry, thank you for that/those. I especially like your characterizations of "fun" and "purposefully!" Yet, paraphrasing both Kevin Kenny and Winston Churchill: Let us Carry On and Do the Best We Can! I seldom let the difficulty of a challenge, even at the cost of mistakes from which i can

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

- From: OSM Volunteer stevea [mailto:stevea...@softworkers.com] Sent: Tuesday, July 11, 2017 2:19 PM To: talk-us <talk-us@openstreetmap.org> Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging I'm glad Adam brings up the topic of Gores, as I'm also unclear on how such "

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

I'm glad Adam brings up the topic of Gores, as I'm also unclear on how such "holes" get "punched into" larger (multi)polygons via tagging. For example, I am "sort-of-sure" (but not positive) that in Vermont, a "gore" (or grant, location, purchase, surplus, strip...usually the result of

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

Kevin Kenny writes: 'boundary=administrative' is a surprisingly messy thing at all levels of government. Let's do the best we can. And I am so glad that somebody (else) did! (Write this out loud). Clearly, admin_level generates passion among everybody who has something to say about it.

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

On Tue, Jul 11, 2017 at 10:40 AM, Adam Franco wrote: > On the "Gores" point: In Vermont, while these do not have any administrative > infrastructure and are managed by the State, they are surveyed and named > places with defined borders (shared with their surrounding Towns).

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

On the "Gores" point: In Vermont, while these do not have any administrative infrastructure and are managed by the State, they *are* surveyed and named places with defined borders (shared with their surrounding Towns). As such it likely makes sense to preserve them as multipolygons each with their

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

Greg Troxel says "just plain wrong" about an older version of the Big Table row for Massachusetts that pre-dates my harmonization of New England states thanks to Peter Dobratz' contributions. As I have subsequently harmonized Peter's table with the Big Table, Greg's point now appears to be

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

Continuing my replies to this thread. Greg Troxel writes: The notion that Town and City are fundamentally different in Massachusetts is incorrect. I think that's the long and short of your basis for commenting, but if I'm off please tell me. Greg, Massachusetts' entry in US_admin_level's wiki

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

Adam Franco writes his general agreement that Greg's assessment of Massachusetts applies to Vermont. As I compare these two rows in the table, they are identical at admin_levels 6, 7 and 8, differing only in Precinct and Ward at 9 for the former and Village and District for the latter. I do

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

Kevin Kenny writes: (In New York City), each borough is divided into community districts. This begs the question as to whether the sub-row 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 New YorkNYC Borough N/A

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

I'll "pop the stack," answering the most recent first. Minh, genuinely, you are welcome for a wider dialog. I am cheered to see a good deal of reply to this. As you say my edits "may well be the right edits to make" (I agree) it only may be true that "mappers who focus on these regions

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

Just to weigh in from Vermont, the situation Greg mentions in Massachusets also applies in Vermont: On Jul 9, 2017 3:14 PM, "Greg Troxel" wrote: > > From a state government point of view, the state is divided into > municipalities., where every bit of land in the state is in

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

On 08/07/2017 12:32, OSM Volunteer stevea wrote: Kind of long and complex ahead; apologies in advance for the length. I've been documenting our https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_admin_level wiki over much of the last year with careful research on how US states and territories

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

On Jul 9, 2017 3:14 PM, "Greg Troxel" wrote: Kevin Kenny writes: > So to me, what makes sense for New York: > > admin level 2 - United States of America > admin level 4 - New York State > admin level 5 - New York City, special case > admin level 6

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

Kevin Kenny writes: > So to me, what makes sense for New York: > > admin level 2 - United States of America > admin level 4 - New York State > admin level 5 - New York City, special case > admin level 6 - County, Borough (within New York City) > admin level 7 -

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

Greg Troxel writes: > In many new england states you list Town as 7 and City as 8. As a > local, this makes no sense to me. I misspoke about "you", sorry. Let me try again: At https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_admin_level it says that in Massachusetts,

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

Sorry, mistakenly replied privately when I meant to reply on-list: On Sun, Jul 9, 2017 at 12:31 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: > For instance, OSM seems to use city, town, village, and hamlet as > members of a settlment hierarchy of populated places with varying > populations. That's

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

Kevin Kenny writes: > The default municipality elsewhere is a town. This is what you get > when you don't incorporate. Towns do not cross county lines. They are > similar to townships in other states. Every resident in New York State > resides in a town, a city, or

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

I've already had a fairly lengthy conversation, some time ago, with stevea about the situation in New York, and I think we have a reasonable understanding. Like the New England states, New York is divided into mutually exclusive counties, which are in turn divided into mutually exclusive

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

In many new england states you list Town as 7 and City as 8. As a local, this makes no sense to me. We have to keep separate what OSM means by words and what various places mean; often they are different. It's when they are close but not quite that it's extra hard! signature.asc

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

OSM Volunteer stevea writes: > To read this, then perhaps participate in first discussion, then > possibly "solve" these issues, take the second line (Massachusetts) as > an example. Massachusetts did the MassGIS import, which included > "City" boundaries and set

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

Jack Burke writes: So...what exactly are you asking? I am asking, after examining the list of nine states, whether you might volunteer to examine the current status of admin_level tagging in a state (as it is documented to actually exist in US/Boundaries wiki) and "improve it" (as it is

Re: [Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

*begins reading* *minutes later, eyes begin watering* *starts reading from the beginning* *gives up* TL;DR So...what exactly are you asking? -- Typos courtesy of fancy auto spell technology___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org

[Talk-us] Differences with USA admin_level tagging

Kind of long and complex ahead; apologies in advance for the length. I've been documenting our https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_admin_level wiki over much of the last year with careful research on how US states and territories carve themselves up into administrative