Re: [Talk-us] Discardable TIGER tags

2012-07-31 Thread Toby Murray
I was unaware of the TLID bug and the fact that TIGER has changed their data model although I kind of wondered about this because I didn't see a TLID attribute in the new TIGER shapefiles. I guess the new field is LINEARID? So yeah, that makes the tlid tag completely useless then. So, I think I'm

Re: [Talk-us] Discardable TIGER tags

2012-07-30 Thread David ``Smith''
Wasn't someone working on importing address data from TIGER? I was under the impression that may have depended on tiger:tlid tags on objects already in OSM, but wasn't sure… On Jul 30, 2012 1:50 AM, Alan grunthos...@yahoo.com wrote: On Sun, 2012-07-29 at 16:21 -0500, Toby Murray wrote:

Re: [Talk-us] Discardable TIGER tags

2012-07-30 Thread Mike N
On 7/30/2012 7:18 AM, David ``Smith'' wrote: Wasn't someone working on importing address data from TIGER? I was under the impression that may have depended on tiger:tlid tags on objects already in OSM, but wasn't sure… TIGER address data isn't nearly accurate enough to import into OSM.

Re: [Talk-us] Discardable TIGER tags

2012-07-30 Thread Phil! Gold
* Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net [2012-07-29 18:54 -0700]: [1] When combining ways in JOSM (at least), values for tiger:* tags are combined with : (colon) as a delimiter, instead of ; (semi-colon). Why, and should this be changed? I believe this behavior was intended to make

Re: [Talk-us] Discardable TIGER tags

2012-07-30 Thread Apollinaris Schöll
great idea, have done it manually from time to time when I edit tiger data. just adding my support after reading pro/con for certain tags. Ideally you can come up with a default list and users can extend it. On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 12:33 AM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: Some people

Re: [Talk-us] Discardable TIGER tags

2012-07-29 Thread Toby Murray
Ok well so far I see no opposition to deleting tiger:upload_uuid. I might go ahead and work on some code for this. Other than that we have some votes for keeping tiger:county, tiger:zip and tiger:separated although I personally still have it in for tiger:separated :) Any thoughts on

Re: [Talk-us] Discardable TIGER tags

2012-07-29 Thread william skora
Here's my 2 cents on the mentioned tiger tags, fwiw: tiger:cfcc - As I understand, its original purpose was to classify different highway types, but once the appropriate OSM tags [derived in part from this tag, and then also from whatever other sources, imagery, personal visit, etc] have been

Re: [Talk-us] Discardable TIGER tags

2012-07-29 Thread David ``Smith''
Personally, I think there should be a tag to differentiate between a one-way road and half of a divided road; yes, a human can look at the map and make that determination instantly, but a computer requires some advanced analysis. (I can imagine some extra-nice rendering could benefit from this

Re: [Talk-us] Discardable TIGER tags

2012-07-29 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi, Sorry to be late to chip in. I would keep CFCC. It's a good tag to have both to be able to generate statistics (how much of original TIGER class mapping remains intact?) as well as for reference; I find the CFCC classification is usually good - even if the mapping onto OSM k/v is sometimes

Re: [Talk-us] Discardable TIGER tags

2012-07-29 Thread Anthony
On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 1:21 PM, william skora skorasau...@gmail.com wrote: Tiger:tlid - Could be removed. I've had newbies ask me at mapping parties what it means, I haven't been able to answer them. I haven't seen any use for its inclusion at this point. FWIW, I strongly support removing

Re: [Talk-us] Discardable TIGER tags

2012-07-29 Thread Ian Dees
On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 2:33 AM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: Some people may not even be aware of this but JOSM silently discards the created_by tag if it exists on any object you change and upload to the API. This tag was deemed unnecessary and counterproductive a long time ago

Re: [Talk-us] Discardable TIGER tags

2012-07-29 Thread Toby Murray
On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: While we're incrementing every single version number of TIGER data, we should think about expanding the road names, too. Using the prefix and suffix data already on the majority of the ways makes this pretty fool-proof, so

Re: [Talk-us] Discardable TIGER tags

2012-07-29 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 29 July 2012 23:21, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 3:25 PM, Ian Dees ian.d...@gmail.com wrote: While we're incrementing every single version number of TIGER data, we should think about expanding the road names, too. Using the prefix and suffix data

Re: [Talk-us] Discardable TIGER tags

2012-07-29 Thread Alan Mintz
At 2012-07-28 00:33, Toby Murray wrote: What do you think about adding a couple of TIGER tags to be silently dropped? ... tiger:separated tiger:upload_uuid +1 tiger:separated I never knew what it was supposed to mean. If it was (as its name suggests) to indicate a physical separation

Re: [Talk-us] Discardable TIGER tags

2012-07-29 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi, On Sun, Jul 29, 2012 at 7:54 PM, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote: Some people have been removing some TIGER tags already for a while. My only concern would be that, if all the TIGER tags are removed from an object, we should add TIGER05 to the source tag, so as not to

[Talk-us] Discardable TIGER tags

2012-07-28 Thread Toby Murray
Some people may not even be aware of this but JOSM silently discards the created_by tag if it exists on any object you change and upload to the API. This tag was deemed unnecessary and counterproductive a long time ago and this is just a way of cleaning it out of the database as people edit. Not

Re: [Talk-us] Discardable TIGER tags

2012-07-28 Thread Mike N
On 7/28/2012 3:33 AM, Toby Murray wrote: Not really sure about the zip code tags. I find the county and zip code tags to be useful at times to tell me where I'm located when doing Mapdust cleanup. I could probably come up with some other way to find myself if they weren't there, but it's

Re: [Talk-us] Discardable TIGER tags

2012-07-28 Thread Anthony
I'm all for upload_uuid being removed automatically. As for tiger:separated, is it possible to remove the tag only if it's set to no? The 1.4% that are set to something else should probably be reviewed manually. On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 3:33 AM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: Some

Re: [Talk-us] Discardable TIGER tags

2012-07-28 Thread Toby Murray
On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I'm all for upload_uuid being removed automatically. As for tiger:separated, is it possible to remove the tag only if it's set to no? The 1.4% that are set to something else should probably be reviewed manually. Might be

Re: [Talk-us] Discardable TIGER tags

2012-07-28 Thread Anthony
On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 3:54 PM, Toby Murray toby.mur...@gmail.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 28, 2012 at 2:16 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: I'm all for upload_uuid being removed automatically. As for tiger:separated, is it possible to remove the tag only if it's set to no? The 1.4% that are set