Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-29 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 9:06 AM, Richard Fairhurst rich...@systemed.netwrote: Depends whether you visit LA I guess ;) , but assuming you do, let's roll up our sleeves and fix it. I don't think that one self-proclaimed viking deciding not to agree to the new licence completely damns OSM! An

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-29 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Bryce Nesbitt wrote: I rather think the non-responders could have been a separate category, and their data could have been kept. Doesn't fly legally, sadly. You can't say I'm ignoring any rights on this item just because the rights-holder hasn't responded to my e-mails. That said, I did

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-20 Thread David ``Smith''
penor...@mac.com wrote: From: Toby Murray [mailto:toby.mur...@gmail.com] Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup And this time to the list... (cures you, lack of reply-to!) On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:16 AM, the Old Topo Depot oldto...@novacell.com wrote: Toby's post

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-20 Thread Alexander Jones
David ``Smith'' wrote: I've been having a bit of fun remapping unclean areas based on cleanmap and remapping after the bot. It's a bit like the initial TIGER cleanup, but this time I feel extra pride at achieving even higher quality than in that effort years ago. (More experience, better

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-20 Thread Kai Krueger
Paul Norman wrote From: Toby Murray [mailto:toby.murray@] Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup I'm also wondering if a routing regression suite exists anywhere that could be used to help identify broken interstates and other major ways, as the tagging changes and 2 node

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-20 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hey, On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 10:20 AM, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com wrote: [..] OK, I have had a first stab at it. http://apmon.dev.openstreetmap.org/us_routing_grid.html It is only 25 cities so far, but if it turns out to be useful it can easily be extended to more cities. The big

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-20 Thread the Old Topo Depot
I'm presuming that Kai's link is showing only current data. So what's needed is 1. A pre-redaction planet snapshot, loaded into a DB. 2. An installation of the OSRM that uses 1 for its calculations 3. Changes to Kai's work to look at both source, compute the deltas and color the results

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-20 Thread Richard Weait
On Fri, Jul 20, 2012 at 12:20 PM, Kai Krueger kakrue...@gmail.com wrote: [ ... ] OK, I have had a first stab at it. http://apmon.dev.openstreetmap.org/us_routing_grid.html It is only 25 cities so far, but if it turns out to be useful it can easily be extended to more cities. The big

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-20 Thread Kai Krueger
Martijn van Exel-3 wrote The big problem though is automatically figuring out if routes are broken or not and then colour them red or green accordingly. At the moment it doesn't do this at all. Anyone have some good ideas for this? The 'easiest' way I see is to compare those results

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-20 Thread James Mast
Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup Martijn van Exel-3 wrote The big problem though is automatically figuring out if routes are broken or not and then colour them red or green accordingly. At the moment it doesn't do this at all. Anyone have some good ideas

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-20 Thread the Old Topo Depot
, Ontario (mainly because you added Winnipeg) -James Date: Fri, 20 Jul 2012 20:28:16 -0700 From: kakrue...@gmail.com To: talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup Martijn van Exel-3 wrote The big problem though is automatically figuring out

[Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-19 Thread Charlotte Wolter
Hello all, The damage in LA is much more severe: missing segments of freeways, roads gone. I thought the bot was supposed to be smart enough to subnstitute TIGER data when eliminating data by nonsigners. But that has not been done. I am finding many streets (and not ones too

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-19 Thread Richard Weait
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com wrote: Hello all, The damage in LA is much more severe: missing segments of freeways, roads gone. Rancho Cucamonga is still in progress. Ridgecrest will follow shortly after and those should be the final two

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-19 Thread Toby Murray
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 10:05 AM, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com wrote: Hello all, The damage in LA is much more severe: missing segments of freeways, roads gone. I thought the bot was supposed to be smart enough to subnstitute TIGER data when eliminating data by

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-19 Thread Charlotte Wolter
Do you have any idea how big LA is? You can't just delete huge sections of the San Fernando Valley and start over. Start over from what? With no street names? That's just not feasible. --C At 08:37 AM 7/19/2012, you wrote: Charlotte Wolter wrote: Hello all, The

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-19 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Toby Murray wrote: The good news is that TIGER data is still available to help in remapping. The TIGER 2011 tiles were recently discussed on this mailing list: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/TIGER_2011 Indeed: and Ian, Andy and I have this afternoon briefly discussed making this

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-19 Thread the Old Topo Depot
Certainly the significant data loss in areas is suboptimal, and reconstruction will take time. It seems that significant challenges are identifying areas most impacted and prioritizing reconstruction efforts. Toby's post yesterday using the modified live edit bot osmZmiany seems a good way to

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-19 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:05 AM, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com wrote: This is very disappointing and, to my mind, wrongheaded. Poorly done! When I see comments like this, I feel angry, because this bot came from hard working volunteers who give up their valuable time. Not only are

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-19 Thread Alexander Jones
Charlotte Wolter wrote: Do you have any idea how big LA is? You can't just delete huge sections of the San Fernando Valley and start over. Start over from what? With no street names? That's just not feasible. --C What I meant is, well... I use the awesome TIGER 2011 overlay

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-19 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 9:04 AM, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.comwrote: Do you have any idea how big LA is? Do you have any idea how big the rest of the world is? It's not always about LA, sister. Get over it and start fixing. ___ Talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-19 Thread Charlotte Wolter
Serge, First, I am among the majority of OSM members who do not program or write code. Yet, we also contribute, heavily. I don't think writing code makes one some kind of special contributor. Second, I am aware that many thousands of hours of volunteeer work went into this. I

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-19 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Charlotte, I was hoping when I saw your mail that you would have seen the words you used in a different light and if not be apologetic, then at least be understanding that these words have an effect on the community, as well as on the individuals you've insulted. Instead, you've decided to dig

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-19 Thread Peter Dobratz
On 7/19/12, Charlotte Wolter techl...@techlady.com wrote: So, now, what can be done to fix it? Are there tools? As previously mentioned, the best way is to actually visit these places, take notes, and then use your favorite map editor to update the map. If you can't do that, or don't

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-19 Thread Toby Murray
And this time to the list... (cures you, lack of reply-to!) On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:16 AM, the Old Topo Depot oldto...@novacell.com wrote: Toby's post yesterday using the modified live edit bot osmZmiany seems a good way to help focus on areas. Toby, do you think it possible to serialize

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup

2012-07-19 Thread Paul Norman
From: Toby Murray [mailto:toby.mur...@gmail.com] Subject: Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: Re: Post bot cleanup And this time to the list... (cures you, lack of reply-to!) On Thu, Jul 19, 2012 at 11:16 AM, the Old Topo Depot oldto...@novacell.com wrote: Toby's post yesterday using the modified live