Re: [Talk-us] Imports information on the wiki

2012-01-05 Thread Dale Puch
A stray thought regarding bot edits, sorry for the new tangent. It is more involved for the bot authors, but have them e-mail the owner of the offending item(s) with what is wrong, a link to the item, link so the bot fixes it automatically, author will fix it or remove it from the list as being co

Re: [Talk-us] Imports information on the wiki

2012-01-05 Thread Martijn van Exel
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 5:59 PM, the Old Topo Depot wrote: >> >> Good point. Fixing it now is not a permanent solution. We will have to >> keep monitoring. Which brings me to the question of responsibility: to >> what extent do we - as the OSM US community - want or need to keep the >> data consist

Re: [Talk-us] Imports information on the wiki

2012-01-04 Thread Mike N
On 1/4/2012 7:52 AM, Nathan Edgars II wrote: 2 - The edge cases where the abbreviated name is the official name and cannot be expanded. Would this need a special tag to tell the bot that the name is correct? I'm not sure that there is such a thing as an "official name" A better term would hav

Re: [Talk-us] Imports information on the wiki

2012-01-04 Thread Nathan Edgars II
On 1/4/2012 7:25 AM, Mike N wrote: 2 - The edge cases where the abbreviated name is the official name and cannot be expanded. Would this need a special tag to tell the bot that the name is correct? I'm not sure that there is such a thing as an "official name". In Orange County, FL, street name

Re: [Talk-us] Imports information on the wiki

2012-01-04 Thread Mike N
On 1/3/2012 7:59 PM, the Old Topo Depot wrote: Certainly inconsistency appears in any large dataset that's touched by a large number of editors. I don't see why expecting contributors to try to comply with reasonable data entry/quality guidelines is unreasonable. JOSM has a suite of validity c

Re: [Talk-us] Imports information on the wiki

2012-01-04 Thread Mike N
On 1/3/2012 3:17 PM, Martijn van Exel wrote: Those are unfortunate false negatives. We can probably not capture each and every one of those. We need to weigh them against the benefit of having a consistent naming across the US. I personally tend to accepting these false negatives. That said, I wo

Re: [Talk-us] Imports information on the wiki

2012-01-03 Thread the Old Topo Depot
> > > Good point. Fixing it now is not a permanent solution. We will have to > keep monitoring. Which brings me to the question of responsibility: to > what extent do we - as the OSM US community - want or need to keep the > data consistent by running monitoring bots? I believe that a certain > deg

Re: [Talk-us] Imports information on the wiki

2012-01-03 Thread Martijn van Exel
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 3:01 PM, Mike N wrote: > Continued from tagging... > > On 1/2/2012 11:40 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: >> What makes you think that the current common opinion is against >> automatic expansion? > >  Mostly because of customary resistance to automatic imports, which is > rooted

Re: [Talk-us] Imports information on the wiki

2012-01-03 Thread Mike N
On 1/2/2012 6:50 PM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: I think Martijn's focus on cleaning up the imports, especially in the US, should be welcome and encouraged. I've reviewed some of the original threads in the mailing list archives, and it seems that only 1 person seriously objected at first, but

Re: [Talk-us] Imports information on the wiki

2012-01-02 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 6:22 PM, Frederik Ramm wrote: > I think that even imports that are well executed *technically* are usually > bad because they worsen the ratio of "mapper hours available to maintain > data" to "amount of data requiring maintenance". > > Imports should only be allowed if the

Re: [Talk-us] Imports information on the wiki

2012-01-02 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 01/03/2012 12:01 AM, Mike N wrote: Mostly because of customary resistance to automatic imports, which is rooted in bad imports. I think that even imports that are well executed *technically* are usually bad because they worsen the ratio of "mapper hours available to maintain data" to

Re: [Talk-us] Imports information on the wiki

2012-01-02 Thread Mike N
> What in particular were the complaints made against the fixbot? Here's a link to the full thread: http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-us/2010-April/thread.html See "Steet Naming Conventions" threads. ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-u

Re: [Talk-us] Imports information on the wiki

2012-01-02 Thread Mike N
Continued from tagging... On 1/2/2012 11:40 AM, Martijn van Exel wrote: > What makes you think that the current common opinion is against > automatic expansion? Mostly because of customary resistance to automatic imports, which is rooted in bad imports. Josh has noted in Tagging that it cou

Re: [Talk-us] Imports information on the wiki

2012-01-02 Thread Martijn van Exel
2012/1/2 Matthias Meißer : > Am 02.01.2012 20:05, schrieb Martijn van Exel: > [...] >> > Hi Martijn, > > thanks for setting this up. Personaly I would recommend to use the Imports > mainpage, as so everybody else can find them. Even /subpages isn't that wise > (but I was a fan of it, too ;)) as it

Re: [Talk-us] Imports information on the wiki

2012-01-02 Thread Matthias Meißer
Am 02.01.2012 20:05, schrieb Martijn van Exel: Hi, There's a lot of imports / fixbots / scripts that have affected the US data over the years. I am finding this out slowly by slowly, asking questions here and on IRC sometimes. The Road Name Expansion script is a recent example that was discussed

[Talk-us] Imports information on the wiki

2012-01-02 Thread Martijn van Exel
Hi, There's a lot of imports / fixbots / scripts that have affected the US data over the years. I am finding this out slowly by slowly, asking questions here and on IRC sometimes. The Road Name Expansion script is a recent example that was discussed on the tagging list and here. Another is that th