Re: [Talk-us] New List: osm-professional

2010-03-08 Thread Russ Nelson
SteveC writes: If we're throwing the 1st amendment out the door, The First Amendment is part of the social contract between US citizens and their government. To wit: the government doesn't pass any laws restricting speech; the citizens don't overthrow the government; everybody happy. I'm

Re: [Talk-us] New List: osm-professional

2010-03-04 Thread McGuire, Matthew
@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] New List: osm-professional Randy wrote: Richard Weait wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Stop. - Are you saying that osm-professional

Re: [Talk-us] New List: osm-professional

2010-03-03 Thread Sam Vekemans
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 2:49 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Serge Wroclawski wrote: It'll also be a bit less free-form than this list. osm-professional will be semi-moderated What does semi-moderated mean, who will do this moderation, according to what rules will he or she

Re: [Talk-us] New List: osm-professional

2010-03-03 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 11:49 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: What does semi-moderated mean, who will do this moderation, according to what rules will he or she moderate, to whom will he or she be accountable in case of disputes about his or her moderation, and does he or she have

Re: [Talk-us] New List: osm-professional

2010-03-03 Thread Kate Chapman
Sam, As much as I would love to put on a three piece virtual suit and synergize the paradigm with everyone that is not the intent of the professional list. I can only speak for the United States in this regard, but we can't direct various government organizations and non-profits at the talk

Re: [Talk-us] New List: osm-professional

2010-03-03 Thread SteveC
On Mar 3, 2010, at 9:57 AM, Frederik Ramm wrote: Hi, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Most people know what professional behavior is, and if things get out of hand, we'll talk to them. Semi-moderated means at first, all post and all people will be moderated. Over time, we'll probably get go of

Re: [Talk-us] New List: osm-professional

2010-03-03 Thread Dave Hansen
On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:57 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: Serge Wroclawski wrote: Most people know what professional behavior is, and if things get out of hand, we'll talk to them. Semi-moderated means at first, all post and all people will be moderated. Over time, we'll probably get go of

Re: [Talk-us] New List: osm-professional

2010-03-03 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: On Wed, 2010-03-03 at 17:57 +0100, Frederik Ramm wrote: Serge Wroclawski wrote: Most people know what professional behavior is, and if things get out of hand, we'll talk to them. Semi-moderated means at first, all post and

Re: [Talk-us] New List: osm-professional

2010-03-03 Thread SteveC
On Mar 3, 2010, at 11:53 AM, SteveC wrote: If we're throwing the 1st amendment out the door, can the moderators at least post to the list when you decide something is not allowable on your arbitrary(?) scale of bad speech, and why? Then we all have transparency. /me waits to see if I get

Re: [Talk-us] New List: osm-professional

2010-03-03 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Several people specifically asked me for a fully moderated list. Then please ask these people to go look for a project that does not do crowdsourcing. You cannot fix an engine without getting oil on your hands, and you cannot reap the benefits of a crowdsourcing

Re: [Talk-us] New List: osm-professional

2010-03-03 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, Serge Wroclawski wrote: Several people specifically asked me for a fully moderated list. Then please ask these people to go look for a project that does not do crowdsourcing. You cannot fix an engine without

Re: [Talk-us] New List: osm-professional

2010-03-03 Thread Richard Weait
On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Stop. - Are you saying that osm-professional is intended as a copy of osm-talk just moderated? I see osm-professional as mainly focusing on a

Re: [Talk-us] New List: osm-professional

2010-03-03 Thread Randy
Richard Weait wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Stop. - Are you saying that osm-professional is intended as a copy of osm-talk just moderated? I see osm-professional as

Re: [Talk-us] New List: osm-professional

2010-03-03 Thread Randy
Randy wrote: Richard Weait wrote: On Wed, Mar 3, 2010 at 8:19 PM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: On Thu, Mar 4, 2010 at 12:19 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Stop. - Are you saying that osm-professional is intended as a copy of osm-talk just moderated? I see