Re: [Talk-us] OSM Data Quality

2013-06-09 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
Possible drivers of quality: 1. Peer reviewing, as a social gateway to community engagement with new mappers. 2. Hiring a physiologist on retainer to understand obsessed trolls like NE2, and respond appropriately. 3. Supporting single feature mappers. There's a vibrant community

Re: [Talk-us] OSM Data Quality

2013-06-07 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Mike Thompson miketh...@gmail.com wrote: Frederic, How about more mappers? Mike I think the key is more users of the maps. Not one in ten people I mention OSM to have ever heard of it: and I tend to run with geeks, outdoor enthusiasts, graduate students,

Re: [Talk-us] OSM Data Quality

2013-06-07 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Mike Thompson miketh...@gmail.comwrote: Frederic, How about more mappers? Mike I think the key is more users of the maps. By that I mean more eyeballs on the output: more passive

Re: [Talk-us] OSM Data Quality

2013-06-07 Thread Bryce Nesbitt
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Frederic Julien fjulie...@yahoo.comwrote: Dear all, I'm working on a presentation and interested to hear your thoughts. What are the top 2-3 changes that could improve OSM data quality? That could be processes, tools, methods, training, peer review,

Re: [Talk-us] OSM Data Quality

2013-06-07 Thread Thomas Colson
, 2013 2:26 PM To: Mike Thompson Cc: Frederic Julien; talk-us@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [Talk-us] OSM Data Quality On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:24 AM, Bryce Nesbitt bry...@obviously.com wrote: On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:23 PM, Mike Thompson miketh...@gmail.com wrote: Frederic, How about more

[Talk-us] OSM Data Quality

2013-05-31 Thread Frederic Julien
Dear all, I'm working on a presentation and interested to hear your thoughts. What are the top 2-3 changes that could improve OSM data quality? That could be processes, tools, methods, training, peer review, attributes, etc. If this sort of info is available elsewhere let me know. Looking

Re: [Talk-us] OSM Data Quality

2013-05-31 Thread Mike Thompson
Frederic, How about more mappers? Mike On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 1:15 PM, Frederic Julien fjulie...@yahoo.comwrote: Dear all, I'm working on a presentation and interested to hear your thoughts. What are the top 2-3 changes that could improve OSM data quality? That could be processes,

Re: [Talk-us] OSM Data Quality

2013-05-31 Thread John F. Eldredge
One thing that would help in the editor software would be, once you select a tag, and list the preset values available, to have the option to list the wiki descriptions of what those values mean. This should be optional, and should come up in a separate window so you don't lose track of what

Re: [Talk-us] OSM Data Quality

2013-05-31 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:15 PM, Frederic Julien fjulie...@yahoo.comwrote: I'm working on a presentation and interested to hear your thoughts. What are the top 2-3 changes that could improve OSM data quality? That could be processes, tools, methods, training, peer review, attributes, etc.

Re: [Talk-us] OSM Data Quality

2013-05-31 Thread Martijn van Exel
As already noted, quality is in the eye of the beholder. That said, there are some objective quality indicators such as positional accuracy, completeness, resolution. I summarized this in a paper a few years ago from another source, where I also introduced the notion of 'crowd quality' in an

Re: [Talk-us] OSM Data Quality

2013-05-31 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 2:21 PM, Martijn van Exel m...@rtijn.org wrote: and finally how do we make local communities work? Latter is super important because great local data (transit, businesses, addresses) is key to the usefulness (hey, another way of thinking about quality!) of OSM. Great

Re: [Talk-us] OSM Data Quality

2013-05-31 Thread Frederic Julien
US Talk talk-us@openstreetmap.org Sent: Friday, May 31, 2013 2:21 PM Subject: Re: [Talk-us] OSM Data Quality As already noted, quality is in the eye of the beholder. That said, there are some objective quality indicators such as positional accuracy, completeness, resolution. I summarized

Re: [Talk-us] OSM Data Quality

2013-05-31 Thread stevea
Frederic: Validator is an excellent tool, but currently only works with JOSM. I'd love to see Potlatch and/or iD do something similar. True, many (most) ignore what Validator may report, and while Errors are always Errors, Warnings are a bit more subtle and really must be taken one at a

Re: [Talk-us] OSM Data Quality

2013-05-31 Thread Kai Krueger
Martijn van Exel-3 wrote As already noted, quality is in the eye of the beholder. Yes, quality lies in the eye of the beholder. Or perhaps better said in the eye of the data consumer. Therefore the assessment of quality will depend on the application and use case you have in mind. I think OSM

Re: [Talk-us] OSM Data Quality

2013-05-31 Thread Charlotte Wolter
Richard, We need: 1. More people. A big part of the map is untouched. We could reach out more to the educational community to get middle-school and high-school students involved. 2. Better training for people who are new to OSM. I think learnosm.org is very good. I'm a

Re: [Talk-us] OSM Data Quality

2013-05-31 Thread Russ Nelson
Richard Welty writes: 3) in the US (and you did ask on talk-us), identifying and dealing with the shaky Tiger data from the 2007 tiger import. some of this has been done, but it's an ongoing effort and is one of those things that is easier to say than it is to do I've been adding lakes

Re: [Talk-us] OSM Data Quality

2013-05-31 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/31/13 9:39 PM, Russ Nelson wrote: I've been working on finding and fixing them in New York State. I've probably got more than half -- maybe 60% fixed. Hopefully even 70%. And I'm just one mapper (well, and you're another mapper who's done a ton, plus there's a few more I'm sure). My main

Re: [Talk-us] OSM Data Quality

2013-05-31 Thread Clifford Snow
On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 3:02 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: Clifford Snow writes: First you need to define what good data quality is and second, you need to collect data to measure data quality. Once good data is collect then start determining root cause of the problem. Most

Re: [Talk-us] OSM Data Quality

2013-05-31 Thread Richard Fairhurst
Martijn van Exel wrote: I think I just wrote half of one of my SOTM US talk. I think you just wrote half of mine too. ;) cheers Richard -- View this message in context: http://gis.19327.n5.nabble.com/OSM-Data-Quality-tp5763578p5763648.html Sent from the USA mailing list archive at

Re: [Talk-us] OSM Data Quality

2013-05-31 Thread stevea
ramble++; Clifford, yes I could sense what you were trying to say: I have a thirty+ year Quality background at Apple, Adobe, IBM, the University of California (and others) as an employee, contractor, subcontractor and consultant. You are doing fine, you just did fine. OSM does sample