Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Mass Edits in the US

2012-12-20 Thread Jason Remillard
Hi, Just wanted to put my 2 cents on on this. OSM already has a rough consensus on its relationship to external data sources. I don't think there we be any controversy saying no thank you if somebody showed up wanting to import a shape file containing the habitat of say black bears. We don't

Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Mass Edits in the US

2012-12-18 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 17.12.2012 18:47, Serge Wroclawski wrote: I'm suggesting a different approach, one where you have a proposed importer saying I have this data, they then take it to a committee/working group who has been blessed by the community to help with this process. I'm keen on the import process

Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Mass Edits in the US

2012-12-18 Thread Jeff Meyer
To me, imports are any bulk transfer of data from an existing data source into OSM. They can be big (10's of 1000's of nodes) or small (10-40 nodes); they can be mechanized, curated (reviewed by eye and hand), or otherwise. I'm not sure a different name will help other than to create a faux

Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Mass Edits in the US

2012-12-17 Thread Josh Doe
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 9:42 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: [...] So I'm proposing a new committee, run by the US Chapter, to help guide imports and large edits. [...] What do folks think? Excellent idea and a good time to do it. Cleaning up the wiki around US-related

Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Mass Edits in the US

2012-12-17 Thread Richard Welty
On 12/17/12 9:42 AM, Serge Wroclawski wrote: When I helped create the US Chapter several years ago, this was one of the main reasons I thought it should exist, but I think there's finally the amount of data and interest to justify it. What do folks think? i think it's a necessary step, thanks

Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Mass Edits in the US

2012-12-17 Thread Alex Barth
Interesting idea… trying to wrap my mind around this. On Dec 17, 2012, at 9:42 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: So I'm proposing a new committee, run by the US Chapter, to help guide imports and large edits. What specifically would this committee (or point person or whatever it

Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Mass Edits in the US

2012-12-17 Thread Alex Barth
Two more quesions just came to my mind: - Are there any volunteers who would love to run with guiding imports better? - Would also love to learn Jason Remillard's perspective of what could be done better given that he's in the middle of working on the MassGIS building import :) On Dec 17,

Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Mass Edits in the US

2012-12-17 Thread Jeff Meyer
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Serge Wroclawski emac...@gmail.com wrote: This will give step by step guidance to those who want to import data, and offer the larger community time to review and provide feedback. On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 7:16 AM, Josh Doe j...@joshdoe.com wrote: Excellent

Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Mass Edits in the US

2012-12-17 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Alex, You're asking good questions. Instead of trying to answer them point by point, let me try instead to give you a comprehensive answer. The community (US and broader worldwide community) have issues with imports. I won't rehash those issues now- we can do that another time but what we have

Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Mass Edits in the US

2012-12-17 Thread Kai Krueger
Jeff Meyer wrote On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 6:42 AM, Serge Wroclawski lt; emacsen@ gt; wrote: What is stopping these this from happening without a committee? Probably nothing. Although a committee might not strictly be necessary, it can give an additional boost of motivation and sense of

Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Mass Edits in the US

2012-12-17 Thread Charlotte Wolter
Serge, This is a good idea. I have a large file of data from the Acoma tribe, but my efforts to negotiate the import wiki have been fruitless. I can't made heads or tails of it. Further, I don't know if it's the kind of data we want (though they say it is public domain

Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Mass Edits in the US

2012-12-17 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, On 17.12.2012 19:55, Kai Krueger wrote: it is great to see if technically capable people deeply routed in the community take charge of the import process to ensure that they are done to the highest technical standard That is one thing. Another thing that will usually distinguish an

Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Mass Edits in the US

2012-12-17 Thread Greg Troxel
The result is that folks like myself and others are frustrated by the import process, and folks who have good, useful datasets are frstrated by the import process. [import/mechanical-edit committee proposal] I agree with your broad sentiments. Having observed some recent discussion, I

Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Mass Edits in the US

2012-12-17 Thread Jason Remillard
Hi, There are some technical issues that make imports more complicated than needed. First is the entire user account thing. I don't understand why it is needed. If something gets screwed up, either way, we are reverting the change set. Besides discouraging people form the import, I don't know we

Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Mass Edits in the US

2012-12-17 Thread Serge Wroclawski
On Mon, Dec 17, 2012 at 9:15 PM, Jason Remillard remillard.ja...@gmail.com wrote: If you setup a user group to help with the imports, I think it will be overrun with people that don't like all imports or are terrified of them being screwed up. I haven't received any negative feedback about

Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Mass Edits in the US

2012-12-17 Thread Jason Remillard
Hi Serge, You are tougher man than me :-) How about this, nobody on the committee that has not personally done at least 1 large import. If you do that, I am happy. Like I said, these imports require a bunch of specialized skills, it would be good to build up an expertise in it. Thanks Jason.

Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Mass Edits in the US

2012-12-17 Thread Jason Remillard
Hi Serge , I am sorry for being negative. I am feeling grumpy from the building import ruckus, I probably just need to take break from this for bit. The US import process is clearly borked right now, and I will support 110% you and anybody that is trying to fix it. Please ignore my snarky

Re: [Talk-us] Imports and Mass Edits in the US

2012-12-17 Thread Alex Barth
Jason - Would you be interested in joining the import / large edit committee? Given how you just went through a pretty ad-hoc import process it would be great to have your concrete input. I'm seeing this committee as preliminary and exploratory. We don't have the answers yet. I'd love the