[Talk-us] RE; Bike route relation issues

2015-01-11 Thread Volker Schmidt
Regarding the Great Divide Mountain Bike Route: http://www.openstreetmap.org/relation/3161159 I have three comments: 1) The first one is that as far as I know it is not signposted, so it should not be in OSM as a relation. Only if the ACA have plans to put signs up, it could

Re: [Talk-us] Bike route relation issues

2015-01-11 Thread Volker Schmidt
Regarding the I-5 bicycle route, I looked a bit closer at this. In fact the route is most of the time on the I-5, but at the northern end in Portland it actually shows in detail the way cyclists need to take to avoid the no-cycles bit of the I-5 (see

Re: [Talk-us] Bike route relation issues

2015-01-11 Thread Kerry Irons
Did you leave our the word “not” from the last sentence? Kerry Oregon Department of Transportation publishes a bike map [1]. I5 is included in any of their approved routes. Clifford -- @osm_seattle osm_seattle.snowandsnow.us

Re: [Talk-us] RE; Bike route relation issues

2015-01-11 Thread Kerry Irons
Agree that the GD MTB route is a “private route” in that you need to obtain a map to figure out what the route is. Whether OSM wants to document private routes seems to be an open question. While Adventure Cycling is proud of the routes it has developed we do not claim them as “national

Re: [Talk-us] Bike route relation issues

2015-01-11 Thread Kerry Irons
The key question here, it seems to me, is whether there is any “official” body that claims these sections of I-5 to be a bicycle route. That might include bike clubs if indeed OSM decides to include “private routes” in the data base. I am not aware if any group that would suggest I-5 for a

Re: [Talk-us] Bike route relation issues

2015-01-11 Thread Clifford Snow
I did! I need more coffee.. It should read: Oregon Department of Transportation publishes a bike map. I5 is not included in any of their approved routes. On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 8:23 AM, Kerry Irons irons54vor...@gmail.com wrote: Did you leave our the word “not” from the last sentence?

Re: [Talk-us] Bike route relation issues

2015-01-11 Thread stevea
Kerry Irons writes: By the logic that I-5 in Oregon is tagged as a bike route, then all roads in the US that don't prohibit bicycles should be tagged likewise. Obviously that logic is incorrect. There is no body, official or otherwise, that calls I-5 in Oregon a bike route. Agreed: see

Re: [Talk-us] Bike route relation issues

2015-01-11 Thread Harald Kliems
Okay, why don't we just ask the creator of the relation? I have added Paul Johnson to the conversation -- he created the first version of the relation and is usually quite active on this list anyway. Paul, what was your intention with adding I5 as a bike route? Harald. On Sun Jan 11 2015 at

Re: [Talk-us] Should this be a dual carriageway?

2015-01-11 Thread Lars Ahlzen
On 01/11/2015 07:32 PM, Greg Troxel wrote: However, north of the rotary for quite a while, it should just be primary. There are intersections and lights all over the place, nothing better than an ordinary US highwway that happens to have two lanes each way. It's posted 40 and we really mean

Re: [Talk-us] Should this be a dual carriageway?

2015-01-11 Thread Greg Troxel
(I'm writing from the perspective of having driven Route 6 from the sagamore bridge to north eastham every summer for many years, and to Provincetown a few years ago.) If we're talking about where Route 6 goes from 2 lanes each direction with a real median down to one lane in each direction with

Re: [Talk-us] Bike route relation issues

2015-01-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 10:02 AM, Clifford Snow cliff...@snowandsnow.us wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 7:27 AM, Kerry Irons irons54vor...@gmail.com wrote: The key question here, it seems to me, is whether there is any “official” body that claims these sections of I-5 to be a bicycle route.

Re: [Talk-us] Should this be a dual carriageway?

2015-01-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Thu, Jan 8, 2015 at 12:03 PM, Zontine, Chris -(p) chr...@telenav.com wrote: While mapping a FIXME in the US this situation came up: WAY ID 8822153. The FIXME implies this WAY (and others) should have a dual carriageway. As you can see this is one long stretch of highway=motorway. What is

Re: [Talk-us] Bike route relation issues

2015-01-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 1:54 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: I do not agree: again, I find no evidence (from the Oregon DOT map) that bicycles are explicitly designated legal on I-5. It may be the case that explicit statute specifies bicycles are allowed on I-5 in Oregon, but

Re: [Talk-us] Bike route relation issues

2015-01-11 Thread stevea
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 1:54 PM, stevea mailto:stevea...@softworkers.comstevea...@softworkers.com wrote: I do not agree: again, I find no evidence (from the Oregon DOT map) that bicycles are explicitly designated legal on I-5. It may be the case that explicit statute specifies bicycles are

Re: [Talk-us] Bike route relation issues

2015-01-11 Thread Paul Johnson
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 8:09 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 1:54 PM, stevea stevea...@softworkers.com wrote: I do not agree: again, I find no evidence (from the Oregon DOT map) that bicycles are explicitly designated legal on I-5. It may be the case

Re: [Talk-us] Bike route relation issues

2015-01-11 Thread John F. Eldredge
By contrast, I am not aware of any Interstate highways in the southeast USA that allow bicycles. From my experience, every entrance ramp has signs forbidding non-motorized traffic and mopeds. -- John F. Eldredge -- j...@jfeldredge.com Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that.

Re: [Talk-us] Bike route relation issues

2015-01-11 Thread Clifford Snow
On Sun, Jan 11, 2015 at 9:43 PM, John F. Eldredge j...@jfeldredge.com wrote: By contrast, I am not aware of any Interstate highways in the southeast USA that allow bicycles. From my experience, every entrance ramp has signs forbidding non-motorized traffic and mopeds. John, I think highway