I've been doing some work in my local area (San Bernardino County, CA), but
the amount of work necessary to correct the positioning of roads generated
from TIGER that are badly aligned is starting to become a drag in the more
dense areas.
So, I started looking at the TIGER 2008 dataset and
the same source, is better at higher
zooms.
I found the info about using the Terraserver source instead, but this only
works in a limited area (though the imagery is much better than Yahoo).
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easy it is to change things en-masse in OSM!
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don't want to lose these source tags.
I wanted to mention it quickly before reading the discussion, which I will
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I wanted to mention it quickly before reading the discussion, which I will
do now, and post back if there is any change.
I guess I expected it to take longer than it did :)
At 2009-08-06 12:34, Frederik Ramm wrote:
...
The process will drop source
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At 2009-08-06 15:53, Alan Mintz wrote:
At 2009-08-06 15:34, Frederik Ramm wrote:
Responding to Alan:
I actually would prefer that the tiger:* tags were removed from those
nodes, since they are indeed not useful, though I suppose I could just do
this myself fairly simply.
910 nodes
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available)? Is anyone working on one?
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that corrupt a significant part of the retrieved
imagery.
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How are people tagging mailbox shops, which typically have PO Boxes for
rent, and offer various packaging and shipping services (UPS, USPS, etc.)?
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this with them? I also don't think it's necessarily useful to bring in
individual residential housing parcel boundaries, though it's nice to be
able to mark the addresses of all the corners (usually with a node at their
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is from someone
that may not be qualified or allowed to give the answer. Is there a more
formal form-letter that is used by OSM as a whole? Should there be?
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the freeway?
A good example is electric vehicle recharging or fuel stations that supply
CNG or other unusual fuels - it is not possible to see, only from satellite
imagery, which specific building was being referred to by the sign on the
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How should one tag a no-right-turn-on-red-light restriction? Like other
turn restrictions, with restriction=no_right_turn_on_red?
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it for that
reason, under the rare occasion that I've needed it. TIGER does seem to be
overuse these alternate names, often containing things like State Highway
30 (which should be removed and replaced with ref=xx 30 according to the
wiki), long-obsolete names, or incorrect spellings.
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, single-family
home lots. If I do, they are highway=service + service=driveway, with
access=private if gated or posted no-trespassing.
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that case. Same goes for gas/service stations - a few but not all. Is it
really useful info anyway? Don't we all assume that such places deal with
toxic substances (hopefully correctly)? Or am I missing the point of the data?
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America. Looking at the links, they don't mention
anything about NA in them. Is this intentional? Can I extract just NA (or
by bounding box)?
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, implying a change in elevation.
I realize that layers are supposed to be relative, but I've found that if I
make them absolute when possible, I don't accidentally break things when
adding new features.
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At 2010-01-28 19:13, Alan Mintz wrote:
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It appears to me that I-95 is below the level of the surrounding surface
streets from about Market St down to Catharine St, and should be layer=-1.
I suggest:
- Market Street overpass: bridge=yes, layer=1
- I-95 segment from Market St. overpass, south
space have created more of a dual-layer structure, but these are
more the exception than the rule I think.
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spec for how accurate they needed to be
(or it was something like 1 minute). The AS database is likely similar,
though in the ones I worked on, they were accurate to 1 second (and some
even to 0.1 second - still only ~0.28 degrees).
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intersections vs.
traffic-signal-controlled perpendicular intersections. I'm guessing that
speed limits would give further justification.
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I'm mapping the whole area trunk, turning to motorway only where there is a
significant stretch (i.e. miles) of no intersections.
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Alan Mintz wrote:
How should one tag the name signs at the entrance to a national forest
(e.g.
http://sites.google.com/site/am909geo/osm-1/DSCS5938_small.jpg?attredirects=0d=1
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boundary=national_park is an error according to JOSM
= OSM primary
- secondary arterial = OSM secondary
- minor arterial and/or collector = OSM tertiary
- local = OSM residential or unclassified
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Anyone have any suggestions?
Yahoo imagery is of such poor resolution that loss of this important
service would greatly inhibit mapping.
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distinction between the special cases noted above and the ones that are
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majority of active mappers whose work has been damaged.
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At 2010-04-21 19:24, Alan Mintz wrote:
I just had a machine crash as I was trying to find stats, but I'll bet that
at least 90% of the cases are St...
For further reference, in this area of LA: minlat=33.75 minlon=-119.00
maxlat=34.00 maxlon=-114.50, on 2010-02-11, I count:
35988 unique name
instead. If there's anyone nearby that would like to have a look, It'd be useful to know how it's signed at the intersection with Outer Traffic Circle here: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/122696036 .
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data. I
remember manually fixing a little bit of the OC/LA border in La Habra from
some sort of change description - maybe something out the BAS project. What
a pain that was.
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At 2010-04-22 13:09, andrzej zaborowski wrote:
On 22 April 2010 04:24, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote:
At 2010-04-21 17:12, andrzej zaborowski wrote:
On 22 April 2010 01:18, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote:
On Wed, Apr 21, 2010 at 3:36 PM, andrzej zaborowski balr
.
I don't want to ask MSFT about it if it's one of us abusing it (but please
stop it if so). I found that limiting myself to 4 simultaneous threads made
little difference in the interactive response time of the service.
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At 2010-05-25 22:55, Apollinaris Schoell wrote:
On 26 May 2010, at 24:25 , Alan
Mintz wrote:
It seems that the county road number should go in the ref tag, and
this is
what I've seen in some cases, but where should the county and state
go?
I've used is_in:county and is_in:state_code
, and productivity has to be an important goal in user
satisfaction and retention, too. Also, given that network:state:county is
already documented somewhere for the relation, I'd like to just expand its
use to the ways themselves because I don't believe the ref tagging is
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if the boundary does not belong on the road.
The same benefits would apply for a boundary that follows a river or
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streets, etc.
These tags are documented in the wiki, and are important, widely-used tools
for producing an accurate map.
If the validator continues to consider these as untagged, people will
likely accidentally remove them.
Should the validator be fixed?
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haven't (yet) agreed that these tags should be removed, right?
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of these pics, given interest, and some
post-processing to remove faces and license plates. Right now, they allow
me to look back at partial surveys of attributes (like speed limits) and
combine them with newer surveying to form a complete picture, and are an
important part of my workflow.
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an analysis be done to
understand just how much space that is, what the server load will be, how
much it expands the history, etc., as was done with the justified removal
of tags from the nodes?
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name = West Vermont Avenue
name_root = West Vermont
name_type = Ave
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. These are difficult to resolve (certainly for me with no official
capacity), and are always just a subjective call as far as tagging.
Basically, my goal is that the name on the signage should be in the map in
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of changes,
which should again match step 2) with a meaningful changeset comment. Save
the file and close.
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an accepted and necessary
practice for a long time, but yet have almost no support in rendering (that
includes JOSM and Potlatch, BTW).
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creating closed ways for those features, instead of those tags being copied
to the new closed ways.
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a large percentage of the cases. It is
particularly useful and unambiguous if we separate them out into their own
tag (which is why this came up again). Lastly, it matches the overwhelming
majority of print usage and signage.
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At 2010-08-03 00:24, Kevin Atkinson wrote:
One more specific question below:
On Mon, 2 Aug 2010, Alan Mintz wrote:
2. Some, however, do use the prefix on the signs and in verbal. The
direction appears in front of the name in the same font:
name = West 17th Street
name_prefix = W
in the server ignoring any attempt to
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of making
straight lines look wobbly that may be related. It would be nice to be
able to talk to someone about exactly what's happening here.
It sure would be nice if these individual image sets were available through
a common interface, instead of having to find/add all the separate links.
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getting it direct from USGS, since availability and performance has
been spotty, but I couldn't find it anywhere else.
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will be moving these prefixes out of the name tag and into an agreed upon
direction tag in places where I know it to be correct to do so, based on
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/zip4/welcome.jsp). However, no prefixes are used for
addresses on 26th St, despite the presence on the sign.
My guess is that this is a place where the prefixes should be moved out of
the name tag, but this should be left up to a local.
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the day comes when we can feed that to the renderer
instead of approximating curves with lines). Of course, it might make more
sense to get the original curve data in this case instead of
reverse-engineering it.
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I'm mapping in this area:
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=34.08242lon=-118.639zoom=17
Along the north side of the tertiary road (whose name is not rendered, but
is Saddle Peak Road) is a state park polygon (Topanga State Park) imported
from CASIL
a prohibition
against publishing the address of an elected official, which influences
what local county/city GIS systems allow in display and search of addresses
because of the availability of name/APN relations that could then be linked
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of the post office that serves the address).
Hopefully, that won't be a problem for your single-city import, though.
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render as a simple
rectangular sign, with adjacent name label. If big signs are drawn as
ways/closed ways, they should render as lines/filled areas.
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reviewed/edited/aligned, but is still highway=residential, and TIGER2010
has promoted it to a higher class, we should consider doing that. I suspect
this applies to a lot of the map - particularly the lack of tertiary roads.
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of the underlying
GAUL data does not seem currently compatible. I'd expect that the TIGER
data should be authoritative for our own border at least :)
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to render other than the route numbers
in ref.
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other feature with
the state in which it lies, that is. In that absurd case, is_in:state would
be more appropriate, IMO.
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remove those existing tags from the ways (and ensure they are on the
relation)? I'm not talking about a large-scale bot update, but as long as
I'm editing them for some other reason anyway.
Eh, OK-66 and Old US-66 and USBR-66 are all in my neighborhood.
What is USBR-66?
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network=US:US
ref=66
modifier=HISTORIC
Technically, probably shouldn't exist, since US-66 hasn't existed since
sometime in the late 1980s and it's using the recreational brown signs
today. Given the number
in these cases.
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'round here have the black rectangular
background. I think CA still uses the die-cut shield. Do others?
I don't believe I've seen anything other than the die-cut style in CA. Any
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for this would
solve the problem as well.
In summary, I propose to add the following requirements to the existing
filter for turning a feature red:
- Must have tiger:name_base tag
- UID must be balrog_kun or DaveHansenTiger
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At 2011-01-24 16:55, andrzej zaborowski wrote:
On 25 January 2011 00:57, Alan Mintz alan_mintz+...@earthlink.net wrote:
At 2011-01-24 15:37, Toby Murray wrote:
On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:18 PM, Andrew Ayre a...@britishideas.com
wrote:
Sorry, the village of Summerhaven, which I totally
proposed. The resulting map should be a very useful tool in
finding things that need review. I'm using it already.
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, there is hope. I haven't audited any other county's parcel addresses.
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it available for use
by other OSM users?
Have you looked at any image-analyzers that can produce road centerlines
from imagery, like http://3667a17de9b94ccf8fd278f9de62dae4.cloudapp.net/ ?
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layer. In some cases, OSM is more accurate
than RLIS. The aerials help us send feedback to RLIS and determine where
a change in OSM is justified.
On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 4:11 PM, Alan Mintz
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At 2011-02-10 18:28, PJ Houser wrote:
6 inch
aerial imagery flown Fall
the imagery?
and forgot:
... and do you have specific permission to derive from the imagery and make
the result ODBL/CCBYSA/PD?
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by traffic in the forward direction of the way]
turnout=backward [turnout used by traffic opposing the direction of the way]
or
turnout:forward=yes
turnout:backward=yes
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Thought that the US and Canada
might be interested in this:
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Great tool for visualizing speed limits, FIXMEs, layers, etc.!
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as lanes=5. Capacity of such a road is
roughly equivalent to what happens when they build a concrete island
through parts of it (because there are few, or to limit turns from/to,
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://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/State_Scenic_Highway_System_(California)) and
has shields for it periodically.
How about just scenic=yes?
The existing historic key could be used as historic=route for the historic
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was apparently designed to
agree with the current schema, and I'm just asking if everyone wants their
exit names to stop being rendered until someone decides to fix the renderers?
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