Re: [Talk-us] Tiger Street Names and Copyright

2009-02-01 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Google, Yahoo, don't match in a lot of cases. Google uses Tele Atlas data which is obviously derived from same sources as Tiger and often completely outdated, in wrong places On 1 Feb 2009, at 13:36 , Ian Dees wrote: On Sun, Feb 1, 2009 at 3:25 PM, rich...@weait.com wrote:

Re: [Talk-us] OSM American User Group Page

2009-02-01 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
have started to play a bit with route relations as proposed in http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging relations are really great especially when using JOSM. But without documentation what has been done already it may end in multiple relations created fro the same

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: [Talk-us-bayarea] Backcountry weekend

2009-02-20 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
cool opportunity to differentiate this is pretty much empty in google maps.best to organize a mapping party and carpooling. only one permit per car is required. who is interested in 1 day, Saturday 1 day, Sunday camping Saturday camping Friday, Saturday On Fri, Feb 20, 2009 at 10:04 AM,

[Talk-us] Bay area openspace import?

2009-04-11 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Hi, found this data from OSP. Does anyone else plan to import it? Has anyone checked with them if the data can be used for openstreetmap? the shape files contain open accessible trails(hike, bike, equestrian) and areas(open and closed access) managed by OSP the kmz file contains the trails

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Highways Relations List

2009-04-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
this is nice, will add what I have done already. some comments for discussion. did you change the recommendation for a reason compared to the one here? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging not that this is perfect but it has more information. both definitions should be

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Highways Relations List

2009-04-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 12 Apr 2009, at 2:39 , Joseph Jon Booker wrote: US routes can also become two separate one-ways when becoming express ways or trunk ways, while being a regular two-way street the rest of the way, so it probably doesn't make sense to have separate directions. Perhaps a proposal can be made

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Highways Relations List

2009-04-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
this is great work, signs could be a bit smaller tough. why not stick with the symbol tag? see http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/United_States_roads_tagging the symbols tagging should be transparent to the mappers not only to some internal notation of a renderer. and tags should be human

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Highways Relations List

2009-04-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 12 Apr 2009, at 9:01 , Adam Schreiber wrote: Probably because the mapper can easily identify the type of road (i.e. Interstate, US Hwy, etc.). I'm not sure that the mapper should be specifying the URL of the sign since it requires extra work to find it and any renderer should be able to

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Highways Relations List

2009-04-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 12 Apr 2009, at 11:58 , Richard Weait wrote: On Sun, 2009-04-12 at 13:23 -0500, Joseph Jon Booker wrote: On Sun, 12 Apr 2009 08:39:45 -0700 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: 2 relations are easier. adding role to thousands of members is a pain. and we need to split relations

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Highways Relations List

2009-04-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 12 Apr 2009, at 17:00 , Paul Johnson wrote: Apollinaris Schoell wrote: this is nice, will add what I have done already. some comments for discussion. did you change the recommendation for a reason compared to the one here? http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Highways Relations List

2009-04-13 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 13 Apr 2009, at 5:36 , Adam Schreiber wrote: What about: addr:country=us addr:state=ca network=us or addr:country=us addr:state=ca network=i network should be US, I, all signs use uppercase, there can be so many uses for the data. network should reflect the real usage

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Highways Relations List

2009-04-13 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
I'm in danger of spending more time flaming than fixing the map, but have always been interested in the database schema aspect of OSM. Evolving tags is messier than a designed scheme, but I see the wisdom of how it avoids the wrong design persisting. Still, I think it may make sense to

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Highways Relations List

2009-04-13 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
The lower case has nothing to do with a renderer, just OSM convention for key value pairs other than name. network name is an officially documented and commonly used name. it should be treated like the name tag or the ref tag. how else could a renderer come up with the correct use if

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Highways Relations List

2009-04-13 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Why make this more complicated than it has to be? Leave the names on the underlying way, not the relations; leave the refs on the relations, not the underlying ways. Then it's a matter of fixing mapnik and t...@h to do the right thing, since relations are set up better to handle

Re: [Talk-us] Interstate Highways Relations List

2009-04-13 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 13 Apr 2009, at 11:06 , Zeke Farwell wrote: Joseph Jon Booker said: My approach (and I don't know if you'll agree with this) is to considerPacific Highway something independent of I-5 or Oregon 99. Pacific Highway is more like its own designation for a highway, and ways which

Re: [Talk-us] Blame me for JOSM yellowness

2009-04-22 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
what is the benefit in doing this? have done it earlier but it is a lot of work and I can't find any reason in which use ore application it helps. If you consider it a sign of completeness or accuracy then this is not the way to go. If you want to see if anyone worked on tiger data it is as

Re: [Talk-us] Blame me for JOSM yellowness

2009-04-24 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
rid of it or hack the josm source. both isn't too difficult for an experienced josm user but why should anyone need to? On 23 Apr 2009, at 14:25 , Russ Nelson wrote: On Apr 22, 2009, at 11:02 AM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: what is the benefit in doing this? There is no other method

Re: [Talk-us] Blame me for JOSM yellowness

2009-04-24 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Perhaps there should just be a view option highlight unreviewed objects, and those that like this can turn it on and those that don't can not. if it's an option I wouldn't wast a second to write about the pro/con. why does anyone try to force users to do it? I have patched josm already

Re: [Talk-us] Blame me for JOSM yellowness

2009-04-24 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 24 Apr 2009, at 7:14 , Russ Nelson wrote: On Apr 24, 2009, at 2:01 AM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: the tiger data is terrible wrong in some places. And how do you know this? 1. http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.379805lon=-122.166681zoom=18layers=B000FTF compare wit Yahoo, 2

Re: [Talk-us] Blame me for JOSM yellowness

2009-04-24 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
my java knowledge is 0. can't patch it to make it an option. all I can is to remove the whole style and rebuild. anyone is free to remove this tag and I have done it in the past too but since then I realized it's just useless. why waste time if there is so much to work on? and I consider it

Re: [Talk-us] Blame me for JOSM yellowness

2009-04-24 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 24 Apr 2009, at 9:40 , Alan Millar wrote: can you give a single example where this info is helping? It may not help you anywhere. It helps me everywhere, in my personal mapping process. good for you, osm is free and this a good thing that we can do things the way we like it. is that

Re: [Talk-us] Blame me for JOSM yellowness

2009-04-24 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 24 Apr 2009, at 14:27 , Russ Nelson wrote: On Apr 24, 2009, at 1:26 PM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: forcing every josm user to accept it is somewhere between ignorance and dictatorship Your argument, if true, is an argument against ANY change to JOSM. improvements are always welcome

Re: [Talk-us] Blame me for JOSM yellowness

2009-04-24 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
will like and others hate. If it can be activated/deactivated it's a nice to have. On 24 Apr 2009, at 21:38 , Dave Hansen wrote: On Fri, 2009-04-24 at 10:26 -0700, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: forcing every josm user to accept it is somewhere between ignorance and dictatorship Hi Apollinaris

Re: [Talk-us] Blame me for JOSM yellowness

2009-04-27 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
. for now I will spend my time to fix the basics first. and shouldn't spend so much time on these emails ;-) On 25 Apr 2009, at 19:02 , Russ Nelson wrote: On Apr 24, 2009, at 7:47 AM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: if it's an option I wouldn't wast a second to write about the pro/ con. why does

Re: [Talk-us] Tool to fix Tiger data

2009-05-01 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
http://keepright.ipax.at Ugh. Those are all written in sql. :( I've been using the JOSM validator plugin to fix this stuff on a small scale. I've had dreams of using the same code to do fixing of TIGER stuff outside of JOSM, but haven't ever gotten around to it. JOSM validator is great

Re: [Talk-us] Temporarily Deleting Relations from Interstate Ways

2009-05-06 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
not a good idea to delete the relation. It will be incredible painful to add all pieces agin and not missing a single bridge. Josm is the best solution. Also Merkaator supports Yahoo images. The nice thing in Josm is you can select all members of a realtion easily. download all members,

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER Data in Wrong Place

2009-05-07 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
a good reference are the USGS maps. their accuracy is way better compared to tiger. they are pretty old and usually miss data from the last 10-30 years. one download location is here http://libremap.org/ You can use any tool which supports geotiff and gpx or shape import to match some of the

[Talk-us] National/State Park tagging

2009-05-11 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
many parks are tagged with leisure park Is this really the recommended setting? according to the wiki park is something more like golden gate park in SF or central park in NY natural_reserve matches better the main purpose of national parks. some places in national parks are as crowded as a

Re: [Talk-us] Blame me for JOSM yellowness

2009-05-11 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
And yet Richard, Greg, and Dale all said that removing tiger:reviewed=no implies pretty much two things: the name is right (more or less) and the location is right (more or less). I think that perhaps we can agree on that. so it's (more or less) use(ful or less) But I also think that we

Re: [Talk-us] National/State Park tagging

2009-05-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
but there should be something in place similar to existing maps. On 12 May 2009, at 4:54 , Greg Troxel wrote: Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com writes: many parks are tagged with leisure park Is this really the recommended setting? according to the wiki park is something more like

Re: [Talk-us] National Park Mapping Party?

2009-06-17 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
nobody is perfect. terraserver has some major scanning errors in Yosemite and in other places too. so far havn't found any on yahoo images but others reported them On 17 Jun 2009, at 12:36 , Dale Puch wrote: Just a caution. I was just checking this out and noticed that the highest zoom

Re: [Talk-us] Fixing Alignments in JOSM

2009-06-23 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
not sure if I understand correct. by staggered do you mean they are on different levels via bridges or underpass? then there is no need to split. instead 1) unglue the node, you will have 2 nodes at exact same location. one belongs to way one the other to way 2 2) if need to move: both are

Re: [Talk-us] Mapping of State/county/national parks

2009-06-25 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
boundary=national_park ownership=national operator=United States National Park Service or operator=United States National Forest Service operator=United States Bureau of Land Management etc. makes sense to use just one boundary tag. easier to implement in the renderer and good enough

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
to the motorway (which I fixed). That's a valid concern (also voiced by Apollinaris Schoell) and I had not thought about that. I have now changed the script to identify dangling motorway_links, and leave them untouched even if they are connected to a lesser road on the other end. I don't actually

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Yeah, you definitely have to be careful. It's OK for a motorway to touch: 1. another motorway 2. a motorway_link 3. a non-mototorway, but only at its *END* node. Not at its beginning node Why? US 101 changes an estimated million times from motorway to trunk/ primary and back to

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-17 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Yep. I've even got a JOSM validator plugin test to check motorway intersections. It doesn't do the angles, but just ensures motorways only touch other way types at their endpoints. very useful, can you share? Apollinaris -- Dave ___

Re: [Talk-us] Data Upload

2009-07-18 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
It's very slow today. Did an upload of 4k nodes and it took about 3h if possible split the data, waiting 15h and then it stops because of a conflict is a pain On Jul 18, 2009, at 8:07 PM, Andrew Ayre wrote: Thanks Tyler and Dave. I tried bulk_upload.py and it gave me a 404 error. I

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER corrections: tagging for source of corrected data?

2009-07-19 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
I remove the tiger:reviewed tag, insert (or append to) a source tag with values: yahoo_imagry [sic] (mis-spelled for consistency with current usage); usgs_imagery; image (for my own picture); survey (I drove the area); local_knowledge (from my own recollection); local_government

Re: [Talk-us] Proposed automated motorway_link mass edit

2009-07-20 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Re: Bill Ricker's suggestion of flagging the dangling motorway_links, that is certainly possible and easy for me to do if you want it (I'd suggest something like FIXME=this motorway_link does not seem to be connected to a motorway or so). put bugs where they belong to.

[Talk-us] California state parks

2009-07-22 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Hi, many state parks are in osm but no info about the source. Anyone knows data sources for state parks? thanks Apollinaris ___ Talk-us mailing list Talk-us@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-us

Re: [Talk-us] California GIS data is public domain?

2009-07-25 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On Jul 25, 2009, at 9:10 AM, David Carmean wrote: On Sat, Jul 25, 2009 at 07:25:21AM -0700, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: [snip] Which data do you have in mind? which data sources? is there anything better available compared to http://atlas.ca.gov/download.html That looks to be a new

Re: [Talk-us] Status of TIGER update

2009-08-16 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
no info in the wiki. Is this documented somewhere? On Aug 16, 2009, at 9:12 PM, Chris Hunter wrote: Looks like the 2008 data for my area (TN) just got uploaded about 5 hours ago if I did the time conversion right. On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 7:36 PM, Richard Shank deve...@zestic.com wrote: I

Re: [Talk-us] talk-us-ma: Duplicate nodes in mass

2009-08-19 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
welcome in the world of osm cleanup ;-) there are so many errors in osm data for routing and some are very difficult to find. most people don't care as long as the maps is rendered nice. and without tools it's hard to make mappers aware of them. America doesn't have an instance of keepright

Re: [Talk-us] Getting deleted ways?

2009-08-20 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
sure, tiger import is not perfect as we all now On Aug 20, 2009, at 3:07 PM, Nakor wrote: Thanks. It does not show up. Could it be that they never existed (they were not part of TIGER import)? Apollinaris Schoell wrote: In Potlatch shift U red lines have been deleted, select

Re: [Talk-us] Native American Reservations

2009-08-31 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
the wiki has them as proposal on boundary=adminstrative, admin level 1, but this is definitely wrong. they should be either level 3 - 5. as far as I know they have a pretty special legal status and level 3 seems to be a good choice.an adminsitrative boundary should always render. For more details

Re: [Talk-us] Native American Reservations

2009-09-01 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
to have it changed. On 1 Sep 2009, at 20:55 , Paul Johnson wrote: On Mon, 2009-08-31 at 14:10 -0700, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: the wiki has them as proposal on boundary=adminstrative, admin level 1, but this is definitely wrong. they should be either level 3 - 5. as far as I know they have

Re: [Talk-us] question: relations divided highways

2009-09-04 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
exactly, performance of editors is very bad with a huge number of relations. On 4 Sep 2009, at 7:41 , Mike N. wrote: While there may not be a hard limit on # of items in a relation, it might be more convenient to break up relations by state. That enables downloading all elements of

Re: [Talk-us] question: relations divided highways

2009-09-04 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
I have always used 2 for multiple reasons. - they have different signs and if you add direction tag with same info to the relation routing software can use it. commercial navis are doing it too. - putting the info on a role is lot of work and prone to errors. Josm improved lately but it is

Re: [Talk-us] TopOSM Colorado

2009-09-04 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
This sounds like an interesting experiment worth running on Amazon's EC2 cloud. Their x-large machines run at $1/hour, but sure would chomp on this data quickly! I would be willing to try (and pay for) it if Lars went through a did an updated setup doc. We could start our own distributed

Re: [Talk-us] Garmin OSM map for whole US

2009-09-05 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
you can run osmosis on the planet with a US boundary polygon. If you don't mind some overlaps with Canada and Mexico it is easier to clip a rectangle. this is what I use to get all of washington, oregon, california in one extract. bzcat planet | osmosis --rx pipe --bb left=-126 right=-113

Re: [Talk-us] Unpaved streets

2009-09-07 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
full support for all your arguments. there are a few places where the wiki is different and I think we should change these definitions. 1) National Forest Service, Bureau of Indian Affairs, Power Administration, and Bureau of Land Management routes . highway (required) track or tertiary

Re: [Talk-us] question: relations divided highways

2009-09-07 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
+1 given the length of some interstates this is highly recommended. On 7 Sep 2009, at 12:12 , Richard Welty wrote: given that there is apparent concensus that Interstate relations be done on a state-by-state basis, perhaps the language on the Interstate_Highways_Relations page should be

Re: [Talk-us] Another shot at a whole-US Garmin map

2009-09-08 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
the tiles from this site are not routable. It is stated on the website. have done a test run and the lower states have been ~ 2.5G too much for almost all Garmin models. still working on optimized tiling. some tiles are still failing because of size. On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 8:06 PM, Nakor

Re: [Talk-us] georgia road classifications

2009-09-09 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
I think it's fine except this oneUrban Freeways and Expressways - highway:trunk If it's a signed freeway tag it as motorway not as trunk freeways usually have a signed designation, access restrictions for pedestrians. bikes(with some exceptions in CA,OR ...) this deserves the motorway tag. On

Re: [Talk-us] Another shot at a whole-US Garmin map

2009-09-09 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
oneway and a single way can break routing. On 9 Sep 2009, at 19:30 , Bill Ricker wrote: On Tue, Sep 8, 2009 at 11:58 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: the tiles from this site are not routable. It is stated on the website. thanks to Tiger and MassGIS issues, until we

Re: [Talk-us] Tiger US address importing

2009-09-17 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
definitely something which should be continued. but it's not trivial. some considerations - 2009 update for tiger date should come soon. and hopefully it has less errors. makes sense to wait for it - in areas where data hasn't been touched it's also very likely the areas which are of bad tiger

Re: [Talk-us] Tiger US address importing

2009-09-17 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
I know user nmixter has started to to compile a list for california for free county gis data. Can't connect to the wiki right now. But easy to find from the California page. On Thu, Sep 17, 2009 at 11:32 AM, Richard Shank deve...@zestic.com wrote: Apollinaris Schoell wrote: - more and more

[Talk-us] Santa Clara Gis data?

2009-09-29 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
I know this info was sent earlier to these lists. Did anyone already buy these disks for use in OSM projects already? since data itself is in public domain a single set of disks will be enough. http://geodatapolicy.wordpress.com/2009/09/18/santa-clara-county-releases-data/ -- apollinaris

Re: [Talk-us] State- or Countywide Road Centerline Import

2009-09-30 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
I suggest to subscribe to talk-ca and read what they are doing to merge existing data with new and better imports On 30 Sep 2009, at 6:49 , Christopher Covington wrote: Hi All, How can one import large datasets of information mostly already on the map to Open Street Map? I believe that my

Re: [Talk-us] Procedures for Bulk Uploading Road Centerline Data

2009-09-30 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
You'll be blown away when you see what our French cousins are doing. Then you'll want to combine the ideas; I know I want to. ;-) we are all waiting to see it. there is so much data with regular updates and without a tools it's a job for the rest of you life.

Re: [Talk-us] tiger county boundaries (was:Re: Characterizing Systematic Errors in Hawaii and US Pacific Island Data)

2009-10-02 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 2 Oct 2009, at 21:32 , Kevin wrote: yes, we can import a subset of the tiger data and it's easy to reproject to wgs80. fyi, 2009 tiger is available. i can import the county boundaries for hawaii right now since the it looks like the usgs county boundaries weren't imported. the

Re: [Talk-us] Ka'ula Rock Missing from Yahoo Satellite Imagery

2009-10-05 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
have seen other small islets missing in yahoo, but they are seen in google imagesmust be a yahoo problem On Mon, Oct 5, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Scott Atwood scott.roy.atw...@gmail.comwrote: Kaʻula Rock is a tiny islet a couple of dozen miles southeast of Niʻihau in the Hawaiian Islands. The islet

Re: [Talk-us] I am that MSP/St. Cloud, MN person

2009-10-06 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 5 Oct 2009, at 22:07 , Mark Dalton wrote: I would like to bring together some newbies to experienced people to help everyone get things done. I would be happy to find a venue, supply snacks, etc.. Here are some of the questions I have been asked to get a feel for some experience

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] TIGER Addressing Import

2009-10-13 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 13 Oct 2009, at 9:20 , SteveC wrote: Dave - super awesome. As I said on IRC the other week, but I'll repeat here for all - I think dumping the addressing for all 3,000 counties and then letting people import them one by one will be the best way to do it. yes this is the best way to get

Re: [Talk-us] Lot boundaries

2009-10-14 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
some counties have detailed parcel data and even building outlines with adress data. someone imported a nice example in Mono county http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.645611lon=-118.975286zoom=18layers=B000FTF but some buildings have only dummy adress and are 0. other counties offer data too

Re: [Talk-us] proposal for deletion: talk-us-ga and talk-us-bayarea

2009-10-20 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
me too also bay area On 20 Oct 2009, at 21:00 , Dan Homerick wrote: On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 8:23 PM, SteveC st...@asklater.com wrote: Neither list has any real traffic, and what they do tend to just be reposts of talk-us. Splitting the community at this stage is retarded, we should wait for

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-11 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On Wed, Nov 11, 2009 at 7:19 PM, Anthony o...@inbox.org wrote: On the other hand, putting the information directly on the way would be problematic for many reasons. Ranges might span multiple ways, and right/left has to be reversed whenever the way is reversed being the most troublesome.

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 12 Nov 2009, at 8:28 , Ian Dees wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: On 12 Nov 2009, at 6:14 , Andy Allan wrote: I disagree there. It's much better to put the effort in during the initial import, than to import things badly and try

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 12 Nov 2009, at 6:14 , Andy Allan wrote: I disagree there. It's much better to put the effort in during the initial import, than to import things badly and try to fix it up later. We've been working on lots of post-import fixups in the last 6 months and it's much harder than everyone

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:29 , Anthony wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: It's a fairly well established convention that in OSM it's the houses/plots, not the road centrelines, that are addressed. But that doesn't always reflect reality. The

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Addressing Question

2009-11-12 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
follow the OSM principle. map what's on the ground no matter where you are On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:56 , Dave Hansen wrote: On Thu, 2009-11-12 at 11:40 -0800, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: On 12 Nov 2009, at 11:29 , Anthony wrote: On Thu, Nov 12, 2009 at 9:14 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Hi Dave, can you provide SC (Santa Clara County) California? btw any ideas how the break it into smaller pieces? I definitely don't want to upload a whole county at once and deal with the big mess afterwards. As I understand it address ways don't connect to other ways so it shouldn't be

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
TIGER is an incredibly huge data set. It comes from what may be the most diverse set of primary sources of anything in the world short of OSM itself. It shouldn't be trusted explicitly (no single map should). Do you have some more constructive information about places where you've

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-13 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
I'm highly in favor of doing the import, regardless. I think the inaccuracies will be far easier to fix than to put the addressing in from scratch. I've done a lot of mapping in my area, but haven't been willing to start doing addresses, even before I knew that the TIGER import was

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 13 Nov 2009, at 23:56 , Dan Homerick wrote: On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: I'm highly in favor of doing the import, regardless. I think the inaccuracies will be far easier to fix than to put the addressing in from scratch. I've

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
What really needs to be done for TIGER addresses import is match the streets from TIGER to those in OSM (which should be easy since they all still have the TIGER id's) and generate the address geometry based on these. Otherwise someone will need to do all of the geometry corrections that

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 14 Nov 2009, at 10:22 , Dave Hansen wrote: On Fri, 2009-11-13 at 23:56 -0800, Dan Homerick wrote: i, Nov 13, 2009 at 10:50 PM, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: I'm highly in favor of doing the import, regardless. I think the inaccuracies

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-14 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 14 Nov 2009, at 18:05 , andrzej zaborowski wrote: 2009/11/15 Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com: matching Tiger id's is a very bad idea. you need to compare geometries. during edits ways are split, merged copied moved, deleted nodes added node, Most of these operations

Re: [Talk-us] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-15 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Alan Millar wrote: no one is interested to cleanup crap after a bad import. I am. tiger import was great from technical point of view but didn't allow to build a community from scratch. I didn't want to build anything from scratch. I'm simply not

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-16 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 16 Nov 2009, at 7:14 , Anthony wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:05 AM, Andy Allan gravityst...@gmail.com wrote: I'd love to know which map has an accurate pedestrian routing network that is collected as such and not a derived interpretation of other base maps. C'mon, this is the

Re: [Talk-us] [OSM-talk] Karlruhe Scheme addressing ways from 2009 TIGER data

2009-11-16 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 16 Nov 2009, at 7:05 , Andy Allan wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 2:34 PM, Russ Nelson nel...@crynwr.com wrote: Andy Allan writes: On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 6:22 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: There are still quite a few squeaky wheels that like to grumble about TIGER, but

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] [Talk-ca] TIGER considered harmful

2009-11-16 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 16 Nov 2009, at 7:40 , Anthony wrote: On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 9:41 AM, Lord-Castillo, Brett blord-casti...@stlouisco.com wrote: I'm still getting a handle on the schemas in use for OSM, and noticed that concept of matching address nodes to ways when doing imports. I'm not so sure this

Re: [Talk-us] addressing format

2009-11-16 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
SteveC wrote: Thinking about this 'numbers on nodes' schema... let's say it's perfect and we all agree, then who's going to do the import work for it? It requires matching up past and present geometries to find the correct nodes to update, and, er, that's the hard bit of coding with the

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map Update

2009-11-19 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
To make a gmapsupp.img for all of the US, I was going to get a US extract of the planet, use splitter, and then use mkgmap with routing enabled. I would then use gmapibuilder to put into RoadTrip so I can load the parts I want together with the proprietary map (for when I actually have

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map Update

2009-11-19 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
will check the setup on the dev server and see how difficult it is to run things there. having the planet via nfs will save a couple hours for download. Will need a couple of days because I am moving and my time and internet access is limited. On Thu, Nov 19, 2009 at 10:00 AM, Dave Hansen

Re: [Talk-us] Vegetation/landuse import

2009-12-03 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 3 Dec 2009, at 9:08 , Ian Dees wrote: On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 11:01 AM, Thea Clay t...@cloudmade.com wrote: Hi guys, I am so excited that more land use imports are in the works. They make such a huge visual difference. Check out the border between a state with the import complete and

Re: [Talk-us] TIGER fixup guidance wanted

2009-12-03 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On Thu, Dec 3, 2009 at 3:50 PM, Jeff Barlow j...@wb6csv.net wrote: Hi, I'm new here and a little unsure of how best to proceed. I'm having some issues getting JOSM to run but I expect to get those sorted out soon. Then I want to start working on TIGER fixup. I'm located in central Oregon,

Re: [Talk-us] Undeletion

2009-12-04 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
you can open the area in Potlatch and hit U deleted objects will appear in red and after unlock they are restored for normal edit. works very well if there aren't hundreds of other deleted objects in the same area On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 1:38 PM, Christopher Covington c...@vt.edu wrote: Hi all,

Re: [Talk-us] Undeletion

2009-12-04 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 2:40 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: On 12/4/09 5:02 PM, Apollinaris Schoell wrote: you can open the area in Potlatch and hit U deleted objects will appear in red and after unlock they are restored for normal edit. works very well if there aren't

Re: [Talk-us] [Imports] Zipcode Import

2009-12-20 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
data from census isn't best quality and it will just repeat the errors from tiger import. tiger roads have already zip codes. there is no additional value. in the long term full address data is the way to go. imports for data from census should be done only locally where mapper can verify the

Re: [Talk-us] Use of highway=tertiary

2010-01-24 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Didn't find time to check this earlier. this is entirely wrong and the changeset commetn tells it all 'more likely to be tertiary than residential, in this area' any objections to revert this changeset as a whole? revert will skip all ways which have been touched in the meantime. It might leave

Re: [Talk-us] [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
there is a major disconnect between what people think is right and what the wiki calls for. from http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Interstate_Highways_Relations we see: network=US:I, US:I:BUSINESS, US:I:DOWNTOWN, US:I:FUTURE Required. Business, downtown and future routes have their

Re: [Talk-us] Fwd: [Warning: Potential Flamewar] Clarifying InterstateRelations

2010-02-08 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
I'm happy to use either method, but one of the reasons why I prefer the 1-relation-per-direction method is that it lets me quickly find areas that need to be split into dual carriageways. same for me, Josm has good support for sorting and relations and checking for gaps. also the relation

Re: [Talk-us] Incorrect Summit Elevations - Colorado

2010-02-09 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
Have seen it too in California. It's not only the elevation also lat/lon is wrong for many summits. If there is any better source correct it. I verify it by gps and topo 24k and yahoo. If there is any official and better data I am all for replacing GNIS data. On 9 Feb 2010, at 19:35 , Mike

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map (02-10-2010) update

2010-02-17 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
have built contour line maps lately based on srtm data. If anyone is interested in a specifc area let me know. I am not such a web guru like Lambertus and have no host to provide them for convenient download. If someone can host them let me know. most tiles are 1x1 degree except where it

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map (02-10-2010) update

2010-02-18 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
overkill. with NED data it's a different story 25m minor 100m medium 200m major what did you use for medium and major contours? Sam On 2/17/10, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: have built contour line maps lately based on srtm data. If anyone is interested in a specifc area

Re: [Talk-us] Whole-US Garmin Map (02-10-2010) update

2010-02-18 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
/ is SRTM based with refined data. Cheers, Sam Sam On 2/17/10, Apollinaris Schoell ascho...@gmail.com wrote: have built contour line maps lately based on srtm data. If anyone is interested in a specifc area let me know. I am not such a web guru like Lambertus and have no host

Re: [Talk-us] Use of highway=tertiary

2010-02-23 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 22 Feb 2010, at 23:39 , Stellan Lagerstrom wrote: Apollinaris Schoell wrote: did someone contact this user? any feedback? he/she reverted the whole revert again. Will try to revert some of the worst areas for now but can't spend to much time on this. We had a brief exchange

[Talk-us] Fwd: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation

2010-02-28 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
moving thread to talk-us where it belongs Begin forwarded message: From: Mike N nice...@att.net Date: 28 February 2010 9:17:01 PST To: t...@openstreetmap.org Subject: Re: [OSM-talk] Help! Changeset reverted without explanation I don't see that the Wiki is self-contradictory in this

Re: [Talk-us] US Highway Tagging, Was Changeset reverted...

2010-02-28 Thread Apollinaris Schoell
On 28 Feb 2010, at 11:50 , Mike N wrote: yes, but the wiki isn't free of errors and can't be used as absolute reference. Who wrote it? was it based on wide agreement? If it's in wide use for a long period of time with no objections, it is closer to a standard than any other

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