[Talk-us] Changeset to revert (or defend?)

2010-05-25 Thread Nathan Edgars II
Frederik Ramm wrote: I think it's quite easy. If NE2 has been there to inspect the individual intersection he has been changing, or at least thoroughly studied aerial imagery or so for this particular intersection, then his idea of how it should be tagged is as legit as someone else's and the

Re: [Talk-us] Changeset to revert (or defend?)

2010-05-25 Thread Mike N.
*The recent bot elimination of duplicate nodes. There's been a bit of complaining but no action on reverting it. That's because it was clearly a lost cause - between the validator suggesting that blind mass fixing was the right thing to do, as well as the Heroes VS Villains contest which

Re: [Talk-us] Changeset to revert (or defend?)

2010-05-25 Thread Mike N.
I totally disagree. When surveying, I look at the reality of the elevation of the bridge compared to all the layer-0 features around it. If it is at the same elevation, the bridge stays at layer 0 and whatever it crosses is tagged as layer=-1. This correctly represents the ground truth. This

Re: [Talk-us] Changeset to revert (or defend?)

2010-05-25 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Mike N. wrote: This works only if the section tagged with layer = -1 only includes that which is covered by the bridge. Tagging an entire road which happens to pass under a bridge as layer = -1 does not match what's on the ground. Correct. We have confounded many old-style GIS people

Re: [Talk-us] Changeset to revert (or defend

2010-05-25 Thread Lord-Castillo, Brett
of Emergency Management 14847 Ladue Bluffs Crossing Drive Chesterfield, MO 63017 Office: 314-628-5400 Fax: 314-628-5508 Direct: 314-628-5407 -Original Message- Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 03:02:19 -0400 From: Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com Subject: [Talk-us] Changeset to revert (or defend

Re: [Talk-us] Changeset to revert (or defend

2010-05-25 Thread Val Kartchner
On Tue, 2010-05-25 at 08:33 -0500, Lord-Castillo, Brett wrote: So, the real argument here is what is a bridge and what is a tunnel? Many people considered depressed highways to be tunnels rather than the roads over them to be bridges. I saw USGS topos mentioned earlier. Not all manmade cuts

Re: [Talk-us] Changeset to revert (or defend?)

2010-05-25 Thread David ``Smith''
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 3:02 AM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: We don't dispute the facts. (Taking the South Innerbelt example) the freeway is in a shallow valley/cutting, with ramps between the freeway and its frontage roads, and cross streets intersecting the frontage roads and

[Talk-us] Changeset to revert (or defend?)

2010-05-24 Thread David ``Smith''
I have found the changes in a particular changeset to be rather unhelpful and in fact quite annoying: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/4363590 Belongs to: NE2 Tags: comment = Removing negative layers from ground-level features. created_by = JOSM/1.5 (3081 en) Some examples of the

[Talk-us] Changeset to revert (or defend?)

2010-05-24 Thread Nathan Edgars II
I'll repeat what I told him through the OSM messaging system: First of all, how did you determine that these features were in fact ground-level? Many times when I set layer=-1 on something it's at least a few feet below the surrounding terrain, if not more. That's still ground-level. Look

Re: [Talk-us] Changeset to revert (or defend?)

2010-05-24 Thread David ``Smith''
On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 8:55 PM, Nathan Edgars II nerou...@gmail.com wrote: I'll repeat what I told him through the OSM messaging system: I responded to those arguments already, in that same system. Rather than rapid-fire replying in two places, I'll wait to see what other people say. --

Re: [Talk-us] Changeset to revert (or defend?)

2010-05-24 Thread Richard Welty
i think i have issues with both sides of this argument: as far as putting layer on a river, there's explicit language about that here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:layer as far as Nathan's editing goes, i think Nathan needs to back off a little and be more cooperative when local

Re: [Talk-us] Changeset to revert (or defend?)

2010-05-24 Thread Zeke Farwell
Well said. Zeke On Mon, May 24, 2010 at 9:42 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.netwrote: i think i have issues with both sides of this argument: as far as putting layer on a river, there's explicit language about that here: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:layer as far as