Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-13 Thread Frederik Ramm
Andrzej, andrzej zaborowski wrote: 1) A creates road; B edits road; C edits road. 2) A creates road; B deletes road; C undeletes road. Well, I can kind of see a problem here (and am not in the states now :-) ). In both situations the final version is a derived work of version A or B, or

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-13 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 13 May 2010 13:07, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Andrzej, andrzej zaborowski wrote: 1) A creates road; B edits road; C edits road. 2) A creates road; B deletes road; C undeletes road. Well, I can kind of see a problem here (and am not in the states now :-) ).  In both

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-13 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, andrzej zaborowski wrote: That's exactly what I'm saying -- I assumed user C is a new user, registered after the recent change, and B an old user. So by uploading any change, user C confirms that they hold the copyright to the work and transfer all rights to OSMF. But it's obvious they

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-13 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 13 May 2010 14:18, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, andrzej zaborowski wrote: That's exactly what I'm saying -- I assumed user C is a new user, registered after the recent change, and B an old user.  So by uploading any change, user C confirms that they hold the copyright to

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread SteveC
It's pretty bonkers. Anyone is welcome to join the LWG call each week or read the minutes, and be as involved as you like. License changes will always throw up people who don't like it, and the LWG has been going through peoples legitimate and illegitimate concerns for two years I think it's

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread SteveC
On May 11, 2010, at 5:20 PM, Chris Hunter wrote: Well, between the new links on the map and today's WIKI edit, it looks like the Brits have decided to shove the ODbL down our throats after all. I have major philosophical issues with the way the license change is being handled, and feel

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread Alan Millar
the LWG has been going through peoples legitimate and illegitimate concerns for two years I think it's been now. We've had lawyers checking everything at every step of the way. I personally just want to say thank you to the license working group for taking on the thankless job of

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread Richard Welty
On 5/12/10 10:19 AM, SteveC wrote: It's pretty bonkers. Anyone is welcome to join the LWG call each week or read the minutes, and be as involved as you like. License changes will always throw up people who don't like it, and the LWG has been going through peoples legitimate and illegitimate

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread Anthony
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, SteveC wrote: I am being careful to only delete objects that have not been touched since I created them - roads, portions of the TN River, etc... Please respect my wishes and do not undelete these objects.

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread Frederik Ramm
Hi, Anthony wrote: What if a new contributor reverts it? Would the revert then be considered ODBL? A revert is an edit like any other. What does that mean? It means that the legal situation in the following two cases is exactly the same: 1) A creates road; B edits

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread SteveC
On May 12, 2010, at 5:30 PM, Anthony wrote: On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:35 AM, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Hi, SteveC wrote: I am being careful to only delete objects that have not been touched since I created them - roads, portions of the TN River, etc... Please respect

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread andrzej zaborowski
On 13 May 2010 02:32, Frederik Ramm frede...@remote.org wrote: Anthony wrote:         What if a new contributor reverts it?  Would the revert then be         considered ODBL?     A revert is an edit like any other. What does that mean? It means that the legal situation in the following

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread Dave Hansen
On Thu, 2010-05-13 at 01:39 +0200, Frederik Ramm wrote: Terribly thought out process. Terrible idea in the first place. IMHO the terrible idea was to start out with CC-BY-SA in the first place; had we simply been PD all along, nobody would have made a fuss and we could have saved

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread Bill Ricker
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 6:43 PM, Richard Welty rwe...@averillpark.net wrote: this change is pretty much necessary for OSM to achieve its goals. my new employer runs all this stuff through their lawyers; they would probably not approve the CCBYSA and probably would approve the new license, as

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-12 Thread Bill Ricker
On Wed, May 12, 2010 at 10:08 PM, Dave Hansen d...@sr71.net wrote: Some very smart lawyers at very big companies in the US and in law schools also based on what i read on web claim that PD doesn't really exist, as Congress has mangled our laws, that seems to be the state here now: Copyright

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-11 Thread Dave Hansen
On Tue, 2010-05-11 at 19:20 -0400, Chris Hunter wrote: I have major philosophical issues with the way the license change is being handled, and feel that I can no longer participate in the OSM project. I honestly haven't paid much attention to it. I figured it was pretty messy, but legally

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-11 Thread Peter Batty
Chris, my goal in participating in OpenStreetMap was and still is to help build a free and open map of the world. The license change does nothing to alter that goal. I'm sorry you feel the way that you do. I encourage everyone to continue to contribute to this great project. Cheers, Peter.

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-11 Thread Paul Fox
chris wrote: Well, between the new links on the map and today's WIKI edit, it looks like the Brits have decided to shove the ODbL down our throats after all. I have major philosophical issues with the way the license change is being handled, and feel that I can no longer participate in the

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-11 Thread Katie Filbert
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Paul Fox p...@foxharp.boston.ma.us wrote: chris wrote: Well, between the new links on the map and today's WIKI edit, it looks like the Brits have decided to shove the ODbL down our throats after all. I have major philosophical issues with the way the

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-11 Thread Paul Fox
katie wrote: On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Paul Fox p...@foxharp.boston.ma.us wrote: can someone lend a list-skimmer a clue? i see nothing but cc-by-sa on the map and on the wiki. The change noted here is that people creating new accounts need to agree to dual license their

Re: [Talk-us] Resigning in protest

2010-05-11 Thread Richard Weait
On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 7:20 PM, Chris Hunter chunter...@gmail.com wrote: Well, between the new links on the map and today's WIKI edit, it looks like the Brits have decided to shove the ODbL down our throats after all. I have major philosophical issues with the way the license change is