Re: [Talk-us] Yet more about USA Rail: now, wiki

[Martijn van Exel]

I pinned it for Nov 17-18 weekend. Add your city and plan a mapping party!
Martijn

> On Sep 18, 2018, at 1:27 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> 
> Okay there we are! 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapathon/US_Fall_Mapathon_2018 
>  
> 
> Sometime in November? Earlier?
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2018, at 1:03 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea > > wrote:
>> 
>> No hijack seen as actual or intended:  great idea, Martijn!
>> 
>> Trains, transit,  our map:  these really do keep getting better and better.
>> 
>> SteveA
>> 
>>> On Sep 18, 2018, at 12:01 PM, Martijn van Exel >> > wrote:
>>> 
>>> To branch out a little bit — sorry to hijack the thread Steve — it would be 
>>> nice to do a nationwide transit mapathon around transit. We used to run 
>>> nationwide coordinated mapathons and I miss them. I think they are fun to 
>>> connect communities. Who’s in and who wants to help coordinate?
>>> 
>>> Martijn
>> 
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Re: [Talk-us] Yet more about USA Rail: now, wiki

[Martijn van Exel]

Okay there we are! 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Mapathon/US_Fall_Mapathon_2018 
 

Sometime in November? Earlier?

> On Sep 18, 2018, at 1:03 PM, OSM Volunteer stevea  > wrote:
> 
> No hijack seen as actual or intended:  great idea, Martijn!
> 
> Trains, transit,  our map:  these really do keep getting better and better.
> 
> SteveA
> 
>> On Sep 18, 2018, at 12:01 PM, Martijn van Exel > > wrote:
>> 
>> To branch out a little bit — sorry to hijack the thread Steve — it would be 
>> nice to do a nationwide transit mapathon around transit. We used to run 
>> nationwide coordinated mapathons and I miss them. I think they are fun to 
>> connect communities. Who’s in and who wants to help coordinate?
>> 
>> Martijn
> 

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Re: [Talk-us] Yet more about USA Rail: now, wiki

[OSM Volunteer stevea]

No hijack seen as actual or intended:  great idea, Martijn!

Trains, transit,  our map:  these really do keep getting better and better.

SteveA

> On Sep 18, 2018, at 12:01 PM, Martijn van Exel  wrote:
> 
> To branch out a little bit — sorry to hijack the thread Steve — it would be 
> nice to do a nationwide transit mapathon around transit. We used to run 
> nationwide coordinated mapathons and I miss them. I think they are fun to 
> connect communities. Who’s in and who wants to help coordinate?
> 
> Martijn

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Re: [Talk-us] Yet more about USA Rail: now, wiki

[Martijn van Exel]

To branch out a little bit — sorry to hijack the thread Steve — it would be 
nice to do a nationwide transit mapathon around transit. We used to run 
nationwide coordinated mapathons and I miss them. I think they are fun to 
connect communities. Who’s in and who wants to help coordinate?

Martijn

> On Sep 18, 2018, at 11:23 AM, OSM Volunteer stevea 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yes, I've been beating the drums rather loudly about USA Rail recently, yet 
> there is so much that OSM can (and should, imo) do about this.  OSM's actual 
> rail data (imported from TIGER a decade ago) do slowly improve, and for that 
> I am grateful, even as a lot of the work is both mine and many others.
> 
> However, our wiki regarding rail is, um, "messy" for reasons that are largely 
> historical.  In short, there is a distinct trend towards "statewide" rail 
> pages that rather comprehensively describe both freight/industrial rail (in 
> terms of major Class I and smaller railroads), then as things cleave from 
> freight to passenger, link to our Amtrak page (which remains quite 
> respectable) where applicable, AND describe the rapidly growing passenger 
> rail networks/systems in cities large, medium and small in the USA.  
> (Suburban/commuter trains, light rail systems, trams, monorails around 
> airports, tourism/heritage/historic/museum rail, etc.)
> 
> Unfortunately, there are also many rail wiki (most written by the 
> banned-from-OSM-years-ago infamous NE2) which, while seemingly 
> well-intentioned, are mere "dead end" histories of defunct rail from a 
> century ago, rather than the becoming-more-vibrant-daily rail network that I 
> (and others) want to see both properly mapped in OSM and documented in our 
> wiki in a sane, comprehensive way.
> 
> For example, (precede all of these with https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/) 
> here are some of these "defunct" pages I'd like to see "re-purposed" and 
> eventually go away:
> 
> Southern_Pacific_Transportation_Company
> Missouri_Pacific_Railroad
> Atchison,_Topeka_and_Santa_Fe_Railway
> Southern_Railway_(U.S.)
> Illinois_Central_Railroad_(pre-1972)
> 
> and I'm sure that isn't a complete list.  These railroads haven't existed for 
> decades and while I have great respect for how disused and abandoned 
> railroads both are and should be "in" OSM (and "properly" documented in our 
> wiki), this really isn't "today's" way to do it.  There are "cross-links" 
> with Wikipedia which likely make sense here, I'd like to focus OSM's wikis on 
> useful structure/organization of an entire states rail networks and providing 
> links to the actual underlying relation data that make our data so useful. 
> Wikipedia isn't going to do that, but it can (and should) capture 
> centuries-old history where we shouldn't.
> 
> Of course, there are wiki pages about USA Rail which must remain, including 
> the worldwide https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Metro_systems 
> which has a USA section that is "fair to good" and more than one absolutely 
> charming wiki like 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Walt_Disney_World_Monorail_System which I 
> find delightful and shouldn't change a byte (unless they need updates).
> 
> In short, I'm asking this talk-us list if "rail wiki cleanup in the USA" is 
> on the right track (so, chime in with your consensus additions, please).  Is 
> the "trend" towards statewide rail wikis correct?  (It seems so to me).  Can 
> the NE2-authored "old stuff" (many of these wiki haven't been touched in 7+ 
> years) be repurposed and then deleted?
> 
> Please contact me on-list or off if you want to see rail data and rail wiki 
> continue to improve in OSM and we can talk about how — there is a great deal 
> to do!
> 
> SteveA
> California
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