Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-24 Thread Peter Barth
Hi Serge, Serge Wroclawski schrieb: Then we have the OSM community who sticks around and is participatory. Sadly if you look at the current candidates for the board, most of them have never even been in a working group. I know that's not your actual point, but as I'm one of the candidates

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-23 Thread Sarah Hoffmann
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 12:24:10PM -0700, Kate Chapman wrote: I'd say the size of the board to me is not necessarily the issue. I do think however having a board elected completely just from the OSMF membership isn't the best approach. Those elected from OSM contributors (I frequently have

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-23 Thread Oleksiy Muzalyev
I usually map house numbers on Sunday morning when there is less traffic. I use bicycle and a specialized application for smartphone for collecting address (with a smartphone stylus). It is better to map addressable first, say, 30 large buildings where 1000 people live or work, than 60 small

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Martin Koppenhoefer
2014-10-22 12:15 GMT+02:00 Steve Coast st...@asklater.com: Together, we could do this in 6-12 months and finish addressing in 1-3 years. At that point we wouldn’t have just made the world slightly better, we would have put a big dent in the universe. Nobody would use a closed map ever again,

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Marc Gemis
It would be nice to know how many of the buildings and house numbers in OSM were imported versus surveyed / drawn by hand. I have a bad feeling about how feasible it is to crowd surf house numbers. regards m On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 1:37 PM, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote:

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Matthijs Melissen
On 22 October 2014 12:37, Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com wrote: Currently there are 130 Million buildings in OSM and 46 Million housenumbers. Do we know how many of these addresses come from imports? I wouldn't be surprised if over 90% of the housenumbers in OSM come from imports.

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Cristian Consonni
2014-10-22 13:37 GMT+02:00 Martin Koppenhoefer dieterdre...@gmail.com: I agree with you that addressing is very important for a lot of commercial (and non-commercial) map users. What I don't understand is how a paid board would help us map more addresses. Martin, Steve said paid staff for a

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Clifford Snow
On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 4:59 AM, Marc Gemis marc.ge...@gmail.com wrote: It would be nice to know how many of the buildings and house numbers in OSM were imported versus surveyed / drawn by hand. I have a bad feeling about how feasible it is to crowd surf house numbers. I think Steve is

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Paul Norman
Alex, the LWG would love to work with you on fixing any confusing if you're interested in resuming work on the guideline - currently it lies abandoned with the feedback needing to be integrated. On Oct 22, 2014, at 05:33 AM, Alex Barth a...@mapbox.com wrote: Steve - would love to work on

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Kate Chapman
Hi Steve, Thanks for your thoughts, I have a few questions/comments inline. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 3:15 AM, Steve Coast st...@asklater.com wrote: There are two basic fixes. Make the board functional and give the board bandwidth. The board is too big. It grew for good reasons but now it’s

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Hi Kate, Replies in-line. On Wed, Oct 22, 2014 at 3:24 PM, Kate Chapman k...@maploser.com wrote: I'd say the size of the board to me is not necessarily the issue. I do think however having a board elected completely just from the OSMF membership isn't the best approach. Those elected from

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Serge Wroclawski
I want to actually apologize for one mis-statement. Michael Collinson from the MT actually was very good about this and one-on-one, board members who I speak with have been kind/supportive, I want to also point out that this is not about me getting recognition for my work on OSM, but about the

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Simon Poole
Serge I want to apologize in case you missed explicit support from me (and the board), it was likely just a miscommunication given that the person in question lambasted essentially everybody that he had ever had contact with and you in discussion suggested that we simply ignore him. Simon Am

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Simon, Thanks for that. I want to make it clear that my frustration is not based on any one incident, but rather that I just wish the board did more to recognize the hard work of the dozens of individuals who volunteer hours of their time to this project in so many ways. I feel that the working

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Simon Poole
Am 22.10.2014 23:38, schrieb Kate Chapman: ... I was not suggested the entire board would be non-affiliated. There are different approaches to this and you can look at other organizations with mixed boards. Checks and balances are possible, especially with a membership. Just to clarify.

Re: [OSM-talk] [Osmf-talk] A Better Map

2014-10-22 Thread Serge Wroclawski
Kate, That's a great question. I recently joined the CWG, so maybe its my job now to fix this, but I feel like generally there's a deep seated communication problem in OSM. On one hand you have the vast majority of mappers who don't know what the OSMF is, or if they do, probably aren't members.