Re: [OSM-talk] Recommended GPS for logs for OSM *and* for vehicle - is there such a beast?
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 09:23:21PM +0200, Ulf Lamping wrote: [snip lots of useful information and experience] 3. Conclusion - If you're touring a lot in european areas and are willing to spend about 600EUR I would *really* recommend to buy a TomTom Rider II with european maps - in that case it's really nice to have and IMHO worth the money. If you're touring only e.g. once in a year and are willing to get less handling comfort, I'll recommend a normal car navigation ~200EUR (or some other already noted options like a PDA/N810) plus a waterresistant motorcycle mount ~50EUR? (however, I don't have a personal experience with this) So you're own personal solution depends on the comfort you want to have, the usual length of your touring, how many tours in the year you do and obviously the money you'd like to (and can) spend ... Regards, ULFL Yes, I think you've confirmed my thoughts as I look into this. A do everything device probably doesn't exist. I need a (relatively) cheap device for logging to provide data to put into OSM and then the motorbike navigation is a separate device to be selected using different criteria. Thanks for the very useful input. -- Chris Green ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recommended GPS for logs for OSM *and* for vehicle - is there such a beast?
Chris G wrote: I'm after a GPS system which I can use to provide data for OSM maps and as a 'normal' GPS system to tell me where to go when I'm on my motorbike. Is there anything which can provide both facilities or should I give up and buy two separate devices? It's doubtful (to me) if on-screen maps are much use, too distracting, so a system which can provide voice instructions via bluetooth (or whatever) would seem to be best for the 'bike. A receiver which can link up with a PDA might make sense as I need a new PDA anyway. have you heard of openmoko? they've recently released a handheld linux computer/phone/pda called the freerunner. it has gps, microsd (sdhc) slot, 640 x 480 screen, and a completely open programming environment, and mostly free drivers there are several excellent apps developed for it, including tangogps, for osm map viewing, navit, and plenty of others, plus i think there's something on the go for mobile mapping. it'll do logging to the microsd slot, and has bluetooth 2 for earpieces etc. have a look here for more info: wiki.openmoko.org it goes for around 400 us mine arrives next week, i'll tell you how it goes if anyone's interested ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recommended GPS for logs for OSM *and* for vehicle - is there such a beast?
Use that on a bike, and you'll quickly find that the screen is unreadable in sunlight (especially when displaying OSM map images which are typically white or light-coloured roads on a white background) On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 10:53 AM, robin paulson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Chris G wrote: have you heard of openmoko? they've recently released a handheld linux computer/phone/pda called the freerunner. it has gps, microsd (sdhc) slot, 640 x 480 screen, and a completely open programming environment, and mostly free drivers ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recommended GPS for logs for OSM *and* for vehicle - is there such a beast?
Hi, I'm after a GPS system which I can use to provide data for OSM maps and as a 'normal' GPS system to tell me where to go when I'm on my motorbike. Is there anything which can provide both facilities or should I give up and buy two separate devices? It's doubtful (to me) if on-screen maps are much use, too distracting, so a system which can provide voice instructions via bluetooth (or whatever) would seem to be best for the 'bike. A receiver which can link up with a PDA might make sense as I need a new PDA anyway. So, rather an open-ended question but I'd appreciate any/all input. have a look at the Nokia N810. Not a cheap solution, as you'll need an external GPS BT mouse (the internal chip does not the best job) and a routing license for the built in map application (which I never used). Besides that, you get a completely open linux system where you can use maemo mapper (which also supports speech output of precalculated routes) or navit (an oss routing application which also supports osm data) to log your traces. It's not the best PDA as it doesn't get shipped with some essential applications, but there is third party software available. Cheer, ce (who is not in bed with Nokia :) ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recommended GPS for logs for OSM *and* for vehicle - is there such a beast?
On 27/08/2008 10:23, Christoph Eckert wrote: have a look at the Nokia N810. Not a cheap solution, as you'll need an external GPS BT mouse (the internal chip does not the best job) I rand my N810 in parallel with my Garmin Geko 201 and they both produced comparable results. I'm quite happy with the built-in GPS. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recommended GPS for logs for OSM *and* for vehicle - is there such a beast?
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 10:40:31AM +0100, David Earl wrote: On 27/08/2008 10:23, Christoph Eckert wrote: have a look at the Nokia N810. Not a cheap solution, as you'll need an external GPS BT mouse (the internal chip does not the best job) I rand my N810 in parallel with my Garmin Geko 201 and they both produced comparable results. I'm quite happy with the built-in GPS. The N810 is growing on me as a way to get what I want. My desktop computer at home is Linux based so that's a good thing for me. It would seem to be compact enough for my sort of usage, when on the motorbike the N810 can sit in the top box and talk to me via bluetooth. It would also work well as a PDA as I'd be able to transfer files direct to and from my desktop machine with no conversion hassles. (My PDA requirements are pretty minimal, just an address list and simple appointments calendar is all I need). Do the navigation add-ons for the N810 do bluetooth voice directions? -- Chris Green ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recommended GPS for logs for OSM *and* for vehicle - is there such a beast?
On 27/08/2008 10:51, Chris G wrote: Do the navigation add-ons for the N810 do bluetooth voice directions? If you pair a bluetooth headset with the N810 it uses it as the speaker and microphone, so all sound should go through the headset. That's independent of the application you're using. David ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recommended GPS for logs for OSM *and* for vehicle - is there such a beast?
Chris G wrote: I'm after a GPS system which I can use to provide data for OSM maps and as a 'normal' GPS system to tell me where to go when I'm on my motorbike. Is there anything which can provide both facilities or should I give up and buy two separate devices? [..] A receiver which can link up with a PDA might make sense as I need a new PDA anyway. I use a TomTom One for routing (using their app) and logging (via Event_Logger, taking data from the raw NMEA stream). Their Rider is a bit expensive, but it's designed for motorcycle use. Anything Unix-based will enable you to capture the raw stream from the gps for OSM tracklogging before sending it to the routing app. The Nokia N810 is one such, as are the TomToms. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recommended GPS for logs for OSM *and* for vehicle - is there such a beast?
On 27 Aug 2008, at 11:23, Alex S. wrote: Chris G wrote: I'm after a GPS system which I can use to provide data for OSM maps and as a 'normal' GPS system to tell me where to go when I'm on my motorbike. Is there anything which can provide both facilities or should I give up and buy two separate devices? [..] A receiver which can link up with a PDA might make sense as I need a new PDA anyway. I use a TomTom One for routing (using their app) and logging (via Event_Logger, taking data from the raw NMEA stream). Their Rider is a bit expensive, but it's designed for motorcycle use. Anything Unix-based will enable you to capture the raw stream from the gps for OSM tracklogging before sending it to the routing app. The Nokia N810 is one such, as are the TomToms. +1 for a TomTom for these requirements. I prefer NMEALogger [1] as I found Event_Logger difficult to install and bad for other reasons (that I forget now). NMEALogger can be installed via the official TomTom software and runs alongside the existing TomTom software so that you can use both at once, it can also be set to record the raw NMEA stream. John [1] - http://www.webazar.org/tomtom/nmealogger.php?lang=uk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recommended GPS for logs for OSM *and* for vehicle - is there such a beast?
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 03:23:50AM -0700, Alex S. wrote: Chris G wrote: I'm after a GPS system which I can use to provide data for OSM maps and as a 'normal' GPS system to tell me where to go when I'm on my motorbike. Is there anything which can provide both facilities or should I give up and buy two separate devices? [..] A receiver which can link up with a PDA might make sense as I need a new PDA anyway. I use a TomTom One for routing (using their app) and logging (via Event_Logger, taking data from the raw NMEA stream). Their Rider is a bit expensive, but it's designed for motorcycle use. Anything Unix-based will enable you to capture the raw stream from the gps for OSM tracklogging before sending it to the routing app. The Nokia N810 is one such, as are the TomToms. OK, thanks for the information, I need to go and do some more research now I think. -- Chris Green ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recommended GPS for logs for OSM *and* for vehicle - is there such a beast?
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:29:13AM +0100, John McKerrell wrote: On 27 Aug 2008, at 11:23, Alex S. wrote: Chris G wrote: I'm after a GPS system which I can use to provide data for OSM maps and as a 'normal' GPS system to tell me where to go when I'm on my motorbike. Is there anything which can provide both facilities or should I give up and buy two separate devices? [..] A receiver which can link up with a PDA might make sense as I need a new PDA anyway. I use a TomTom One for routing (using their app) and logging (via Event_Logger, taking data from the raw NMEA stream). Their Rider is a bit expensive, but it's designed for motorcycle use. Anything Unix-based will enable you to capture the raw stream from the gps for OSM tracklogging before sending it to the routing app. The Nokia N810 is one such, as are the TomToms. +1 for a TomTom for these requirements. I prefer NMEALogger [1] as I found Event_Logger difficult to install and bad for other reasons (that I forget now). NMEALogger can be installed via the official TomTom software and runs alongside the existing TomTom software so that you can use both at once, it can also be set to record the raw NMEA stream. Just so I'm sure I understand this You have a bog-standard TomTom GPS navigation system which you use for directing you in your car (or on your motorbike). You add NMEALogger (or another similar appliaction) so that the raw GPS data is logged. This logged data can then be transferred to your PC for use with OSM. Thus I can choose a TomTom (others too?) GPS navigation system for my 'bike and then just add the logging facility. -- Chris Green ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recommended GPS for logs for OSM *and* for vehicle - is there such a beast?
Hello, As much as I know the Garmin navigation units can load the OpenStreetMap data that is produced by mkgmap. sadly only the top model in the Nüvi series offers tracking. However, the motorbike units (zumo) do offer tracking, are water (splash) proof and also allow navigation by voice. They may be a little heavy for use on a bicycle... and they are also rather expensive... but again.. you can load the OSM map on the devices and see where there is data already and where there isn't. ciao Florian Chris G wrote: I'm after a GPS system which I can use to provide data for OSM maps and as a 'normal' GPS system to tell me where to go when I'm on my motorbike. Is there anything which can provide both facilities or should I give up and buy two separate devices? It's doubtful (to me) if on-screen maps are much use, too distracting, so a system which can provide voice instructions via bluetooth (or whatever) would seem to be best for the 'bike. A receiver which can link up with a PDA might make sense as I need a new PDA anyway. So, rather an open-ended question but I'd appreciate any/all input. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recommended GPS for logs for OSM *and* for vehicle - is there such a beast?
On 27 Aug 2008, at 11:56, Chris G wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:29:13AM +0100, John McKerrell wrote: On 27 Aug 2008, at 11:23, Alex S. wrote: Chris G wrote: I'm after a GPS system which I can use to provide data for OSM maps and as a 'normal' GPS system to tell me where to go when I'm on my motorbike. Is there anything which can provide both facilities or should I give up and buy two separate devices? [..] A receiver which can link up with a PDA might make sense as I need a new PDA anyway. I use a TomTom One for routing (using their app) and logging (via Event_Logger, taking data from the raw NMEA stream). Their Rider is a bit expensive, but it's designed for motorcycle use. Anything Unix-based will enable you to capture the raw stream from the gps for OSM tracklogging before sending it to the routing app. The Nokia N810 is one such, as are the TomToms. +1 for a TomTom for these requirements. I prefer NMEALogger [1] as I found Event_Logger difficult to install and bad for other reasons (that I forget now). NMEALogger can be installed via the official TomTom software and runs alongside the existing TomTom software so that you can use both at once, it can also be set to record the raw NMEA stream. Just so I'm sure I understand this You have a bog-standard TomTom GPS navigation system which you use for directing you in your car (or on your motorbike). You add NMEALogger (or another similar appliaction) so that the raw GPS data is logged. This logged data can then be transferred to your PC for use with OSM. Thus I can choose a TomTom (others too?) GPS navigation system for my 'bike and then just add the logging facility. Yup, that's right, with NMEALogger the NMEA file is in a directory in the TomTom's memory, you should be able to mount this by plugging it into the USB port on your computer and pull the file off. If the TomTom can take an SD card and you have one plugged in, the file will be on there. John ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recommended GPS for logs for OSM *and* for vehicle - is there such a beast?
Hi, I rand my N810 in parallel with my Garmin Geko 201 and they both produced comparable results. I'm quite happy with the built-in GPS. works for me as well, as long the device is placed upright in a car via the suction mount. In other cases, where it's difficult to place the device in an exposed upright position (biking, hinking) things look differently. Best regards, ce ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recommended GPS for logs for OSM *and* for vehicle - is there such a beast?
On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 01:26:01PM +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: Hi, I rand my N810 in parallel with my Garmin Geko 201 and they both produced comparable results. I'm quite happy with the built-in GPS. works for me as well, as long the device is placed upright in a car via the suction mount. In other cases, where it's difficult to place the device in an exposed upright position (biking, hinking) things look differently. My thoughts are actually moving away from the N810, the big drawback for me is that it needs a mobile phone as well to be able to connect from anywhere. I'm actually thinking more about a 'smartphone' (e.g. a Palm Treo) with an external GPS logger that can connect to it via bluetooth. -- Chris Green ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recommended GPS for logs for OSM *and* for vehicle - is there such a beast?
While on the subject of GPS recommendations... where would people suggest buying units from? (UK physical shop or UK friendly online shop) I'm not interested in routing but would really like to display OSM maps on it and it be a stand alone GPS recorder (for mapping use and occasional geocaching), so probably a garmin under £200. Amazon seemed to be good price wise, but I haven't looked at many places. Greg. 2008/8/27 Chris G [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 01:26:01PM +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: Hi, I rand my N810 in parallel with my Garmin Geko 201 and they both produced comparable results. I'm quite happy with the built-in GPS. works for me as well, as long the device is placed upright in a car via the suction mount. In other cases, where it's difficult to place the device in an exposed upright position (biking, hinking) things look differently. My thoughts are actually moving away from the N810, the big drawback for me is that it needs a mobile phone as well to be able to connect from anywhere. I'm actually thinking more about a 'smartphone' (e.g. a Palm Treo) with an external GPS logger that can connect to it via bluetooth. -- Chris Green ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.livingwithdragons.com ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recommended GPS for logs for OSM *and* for vehicle - is there such a beast?
I use my Nokia N95-3 almost every single week, you can use sports tracked and then export to gpx the route you save. Pretty nice, very fast GPS lock. - _ Gustavo A. Lozano CTO Noldata http://noldata.com Mobile: +57 312 4355238 On Wed, 2008-08-27 at 12:16 +0100, John McKerrell wrote: On 27 Aug 2008, at 11:56, Chris G wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 11:29:13AM +0100, John McKerrell wrote: On 27 Aug 2008, at 11:23, Alex S. wrote: Chris G wrote: I'm after a GPS system which I can use to provide data for OSM maps and as a 'normal' GPS system to tell me where to go when I'm on my motorbike. Is there anything which can provide both facilities or should I give up and buy two separate devices? [..] A receiver which can link up with a PDA might make sense as I need a new PDA anyway. I use a TomTom One for routing (using their app) and logging (via Event_Logger, taking data from the raw NMEA stream). Their Rider is a bit expensive, but it's designed for motorcycle use. Anything Unix-based will enable you to capture the raw stream from the gps for OSM tracklogging before sending it to the routing app. The Nokia N810 is one such, as are the TomToms. +1 for a TomTom for these requirements. I prefer NMEALogger [1] as I found Event_Logger difficult to install and bad for other reasons (that I forget now). NMEALogger can be installed via the official TomTom software and runs alongside the existing TomTom software so that you can use both at once, it can also be set to record the raw NMEA stream. Just so I'm sure I understand this You have a bog-standard TomTom GPS navigation system which you use for directing you in your car (or on your motorbike). You add NMEALogger (or another similar appliaction) so that the raw GPS data is logged. This logged data can then be transferred to your PC for use with OSM. Thus I can choose a TomTom (others too?) GPS navigation system for my 'bike and then just add the logging facility. Yup, that's right, with NMEALogger the NMEA file is in a directory in the TomTom's memory, you should be able to mount this by plugging it into the USB port on your computer and pull the file off. If the TomTom can take an SD card and you have one plugged in, the file will be on there. John ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recommended GPS for logs for OSM *and* for vehicle - is there such a beast?
At 01:46 PM 27/08/2008, Chris G wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 01:26:01PM +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: Hi, I rand my N810 in parallel with my Garmin Geko 201 and they both produced comparable results. I'm quite happy with the built-in GPS. works for me as well, as long the device is placed upright in a car via the suction mount. In other cases, where it's difficult to place the device in an exposed upright position (biking, hinking) things look differently. My thoughts are actually moving away from the N810, the big drawback for me is that it needs a mobile phone as well to be able to connect from anywhere. I'm actually thinking more about a 'smartphone' (e.g. a Palm Treo) with an external GPS logger that can connect to it via bluetooth. I generally found a combined device, a Nokia N82 or HP iPAQ smart phone in my case, most convenient for walking or cycling but in a car, bus, train an external GPS is good because you don't have to leave/hold your phone right up against the window. Actually, I've now ended up with a separate Garmin eTrex Legend HCx which gives me the best of both worlds plus the ability to easily download and install OSM maps thanks to the guys at http://www.osm4you.com/ . Mike ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recommended GPS for logs for OSM *and* for vehicle - is there such a beast?
My success story in accurate mapping is the telephone (N80 or similar) with a blue tooth device Software Whereami why: BATTERIES battery life is much better then smartphones or pda's use an external cheap BT GPS mouse has a battery life of 24 hours or more SIZE A phone is much smaller and lighter then a Garmin Not to mention the BT GPS POSITIONING The BT GPS can be mount on any good receiption location (on your bike s steer, your hat or in any convenient place in your car using velcro) ACCURACY Recent BT devices are excellent in tracking capabilities creating straigth lines even is more difficult situations. Good placement is alse debet to this. I found my N95-8GB has similar performance in accuracy, but only when GPS points are sorted out for quality. PHONE I also have a phone with me, no extra's required ROUTE PLANNER N80 allows a TomTOm to run, so as to find my starting point, and to find my way when lost. Until OSM will replace that. MUSIC + FM radio The long and winding roads are more comfortable with a favorite song and the earpiece keeps my ears warm RAIN The internet browser allows me to check for rain, using buienradar.nl WIND The GPS mouse shelters me from the strongest winds... Gert Gremmen -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Namens Mike Collinson Verzonden: Wednesday, August 27, 2008 2:42 PM Aan: talk@openstreetmap.org Onderwerp: Re: [OSM-talk] Recommended GPS for logs for OSM *and* for vehicle - is there such a beast? At 01:46 PM 27/08/2008, Chris G wrote: On Wed, Aug 27, 2008 at 01:26:01PM +0200, Christoph Eckert wrote: Hi, I rand my N810 in parallel with my Garmin Geko 201 and they both produced comparable results. I'm quite happy with the built-in GPS. works for me as well, as long the device is placed upright in a car via the suction mount. In other cases, where it's difficult to place the device in an exposed upright position (biking, hinking) things look differently. My thoughts are actually moving away from the N810, the big drawback for me is that it needs a mobile phone as well to be able to connect from anywhere. I'm actually thinking more about a 'smartphone' (e.g. a Palm Treo) with an external GPS logger that can connect to it via bluetooth. I generally found a combined device, a Nokia N82 or HP iPAQ smart phone in my case, most convenient for walking or cycling but in a car, bus, train an external GPS is good because you don't have to leave/hold your phone right up against the window. Actually, I've now ended up with a separate Garmin eTrex Legend HCx which gives me the best of both worlds plus the ability to easily download and install OSM maps thanks to the guys at http://www.osm4you.com/ . Mike ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recommended GPS for logs for OSM *and* for vehicle - is there such a beast?
If you're willing to spend some extra money, maybe you should take a look at Garmin Oregon: http://www.gpsmagazine.com/2008/08/garmin_oregon_400t_review.php The upside is that it's an outdoor unit with a good map display. Battery life should be quite OK, at least from my experience with Garmins. And it supports navigation, but without sound (if you need this, take a look at new Garmin nuvi 500). What's additionally attractive to me is the support for the heart rate monitor and bike cadence sensor. The downside is that it's a closed source unit, but you should be able to view OSM maps (if Garmin hasn't changed mapping support with these new models). IMHO pure outdoor units are still the only option for the real outdoor use (rain, low temperatures etc). I'm using Garmin Vista Cx and I'm quite happy with it. Igor Florian Steiper wrote: Hello, As much as I know the Garmin navigation units can load the OpenStreetMap data that is produced by mkgmap. sadly only the top model in the Nüvi series offers tracking. However, the motorbike units (zumo) do offer tracking, are water (splash) proof and also allow navigation by voice. They may be a little heavy for use on a bicycle... and they are also rather expensive... but again.. you can load the OSM map on the devices and see where there is data already and where there isn't. ciao Florian Chris G wrote: I'm after a GPS system which I can use to provide data for OSM maps and as a 'normal' GPS system to tell me where to go when I'm on my motorbike. Is there anything which can provide both facilities or should I give up and buy two separate devices? It's doubtful (to me) if on-screen maps are much use, too distracting, so a system which can provide voice instructions via bluetooth (or whatever) would seem to be best for the 'bike. A receiver which can link up with a PDA might make sense as I need a new PDA anyway. So, rather an open-ended question but I'd appreciate any/all input. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk -- http://igorbrejc.net ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
Re: [OSM-talk] Recommended GPS for logs for OSM *and* for vehicle - is there such a beast?
Chris G schrieb: I'm after a GPS system which I can use to provide data for OSM maps and as a 'normal' GPS system to tell me where to go when I'm on my motorbike. Is there anything which can provide both facilities or should I give up and buy two separate devices? It's doubtful (to me) if on-screen maps are much use, too distracting, so a system which can provide voice instructions via bluetooth (or whatever) would seem to be best for the 'bike. A receiver which can link up with a PDA might make sense as I need a new PDA anyway. So, rather an open-ended question but I'd appreciate any/all input. I was using a TomTom Rider I for about two years now and recently replaced it as a warranty case with a Garmin zumo 550. So the following is my experience of motorcycle navigation and OSM (your mileage may vary): 1. The navigation part Having a screen is a must for any serious usage IMHO, only this way you'll get enough infos about more complicated motorway exits, getting the right street when several streets are leaving your road in a short range, ... Voice instructions can help making you aware of the next exit, but can also be very annoying when you're driving mountain passes - please return if possible every 20s as the navi get's confused about all the bends :-( In fact after some weeks of initial experiments, I no longer used the BT-headset - so if it's helpful really depends on your personal taste. On a motorcycle it's really a good idea to have: - a waterproof / very waterresistant solution - charge of the Navi by the 12V motorcycle supply (normal navigation batteries will only last 3-5h max!) a) TomTom Rider (II) + good handling comfort + good bluetooth headset included + 3rd party track collector (NMEA-Logger / TripMaster) - slows down device a bit (but acceptable) + very accurate track collection - no OSM maps possible - closed source (although underlying Linux, the routing application is closed source) - expensive (~600EUR) b) Garmin zumo + good handling comfort + track collector build in + routable OSM maps available (but highly experimental - IMHO currently not for any serious navigation use yet!) - closed source - motorway exclusion doesn't work very well - track collection not really accurate (buggy?) - very expensive (~700EUR, not even a BT-headset included!) c) car navigation / handy / Nokia N810 / ... plus special motorcycle mount case + much cheaper than a) or b) (~200 + ~50EUR) - less handling comfort (unplugging power, ...) 2. The OSM part - Using OSM maps for any serious routing is IMHO currently just not ready (missing turn-restrictions, streets, ...)! What you want to get for OSM is the track data. To avoid any hassle, I bought a matchbox sized Wintec WBT201 for about 100EUR (tracklog memory for about 5 days, battery lasts 10h), and using the motorcycle navigation device only exactly for what it was build - navigation! 3. Conclusion - If you're touring a lot in european areas and are willing to spend about 600EUR I would *really* recommend to buy a TomTom Rider II with european maps - in that case it's really nice to have and IMHO worth the money. If you're touring only e.g. once in a year and are willing to get less handling comfort, I'll recommend a normal car navigation ~200EUR (or some other already noted options like a PDA/N810) plus a waterresistant motorcycle mount ~50EUR? (however, I don't have a personal experience with this) So you're own personal solution depends on the comfort you want to have, the usual length of your touring, how many tours in the year you do and obviously the money you'd like to (and can) spend ... Regards, ULFL P.S: My TomTom Rider (I) repeatedly wasn't charging on the motorcycle mount, therefore I got a free replacement into a Garmin zumo. The current Rider II has a different mount that reportedly is working better. ___ talk mailing list talk@openstreetmap.org http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk
