[Tango-L] Tergiversar = to distort, twist

2008-09-25 Thread Mario
It's really frustrating to be continuously reading the debating that goes on in Tango-L and suspect that it is apples vs oranges that are being described. Here again, I suspect, that one person is talking about close embrace social dancing and the other about Nuevo that is danced with

Re: [Tango-L] Tergiversar = to distort, twist

2008-09-25 Thread Alexis Cousein
Mario wrote: I would love to see a video of this give and take between partners... You can't see it (at least not directly). You can only feel it. If you haven't, well,... Can you see the complex feedback mechanisms that people use for bipedal motion (walking) without falling flat on their

[Tango-L] Message from Verena

2008-09-25 Thread robin tara
I received this message from Verena. She has been trying to post it to the list with no luck. I didn't join this list for many years. Omar Vega's death made me return to it. To end all rumors before they begin: There were no drugs involved! He always hated drugs. At the moment nobody can tell

Re: [Tango-L] Tergiversar = to distort, twist

2008-09-25 Thread David Thorn
I would Mario wrote: love to see a video of this give and take between partners...even Chichi Fromboli doesn't do this..he leads and she follows.. In full knowledge that the flame throwers are in alignment, here goes: Mario - Yes, compelling me to slow down, speed up, etc as contributions

Re: [Tango-L] Tergiversar = to distort, twist

2008-09-25 Thread Nina Pesochinsky
Good question, Alexis! Over-explanation or discussion of any experience can only go so far. And at the end, it is still what it is, isn't it? Quoting Alexis Cousein [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Nina Pesochinsky wrote: So what is the value of an over-explained tango? Ah - if we wander into

Re: [Tango-L] Tergiversar = to distort, twist

2008-09-25 Thread Trini y Sean (PATangoS)
--- On Thu, 9/25/08, David Thorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Spose that she sees that the floor behind me is clear (we DO NOT run into people or even threaten to!!!) and wants to play a little. She might over-rotate, stepping into me, and compelling my receiving step to actually be counter

Re: [Tango-L] Tergiversar = to distort, twist

2008-09-25 Thread Huck Kennedy
On Thu, Sep 25, 2008 at 10:42 AM, Nina Pesochinsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quoting Alexis Cousein [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Nina Pesochinsky wrote: So what is the value of an over-explained tango? Ah--if we wander into the existential, what is the value of a mailing list discussing a dance?

Re: [Tango-L] Tergiversar = to distort, twist

2008-09-25 Thread Nina Pesochinsky
My question was not a rhetorical one. What is the value? David's tango is what it is no matter what anyone thinks about it. He feels compelled to explain it over and over again. At the end, his tango is what it is and everyone else's as well. So what is the value of extensive

Re: [Tango-L] Tergiversar = to distort, twist

2008-09-25 Thread Trini y Sean (PATangoS)
Nina, I always enjoy your posts, but please remember that you're free to use your delete key. --- On Thu, 9/25/08, David Thorn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't know how you know my regular partner's skill level. I mentioned in a prior post that I can lead with clarity(?), and she will

Re: [Tango-L] Tergiversar = to distort, twist

2008-09-25 Thread Nina Pesochinsky
Thank you so much for your encouragement about the delete key. It is a lovely feature and I have practiced using it over the years with such enthusiasm that I dislocated a finger. However, I was not complaining about the useless posts. Instead, I asked a question about something that

[Tango-L] (over)explained tango

2008-09-25 Thread [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Nina Pesochinsky wrote --- So what is the value of an over-explained tango? One or two people seemed to take this as a put-down of some sort. I thought it funny: a clever play on the words that David Thorn had just used, when he was talking about an over-turned ocho (one that turns more