Re: [Tango-L] The Truth About Tango Nuevo
I don't actually agree with that. I think Argentine Tango belongs to the Argentines. Anyone is free to dance it but you should respect the fact that it's not yours. What right do you have to change it and continue to call it Argentine Tango? Jack From: David Thorn thorn-ins...@hotmail.com If you would like to copyright the term 'Tango', you are welcome to try. In the meantime, the word, and the dance, belongs to the world. [/rant] ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] The Truth About Tango Nuevo
Really? So a slow milonguero doesn't do this? Or a milonguero that doesnt follow 'the rules'? Surely it comes back to the dancers themselves! Get off the 'nuevo dancers are crap' thought process and maybe as David says, focus on 'crap dancers suck' rant... But who's to say who is crap? O dear, here come the 'tango nazi police' again cause I paused when I felt pause, but you didn't... Sheesh, I must suck as a dancer then hey Sent from my iPhone, from somewhere... On 11/04/2009, at 5:51 AM, NANCY ningle_2...@yahoo.com wrote: This rant is not new. This justification is not new. Here is my question: Who decides if you are messing with the other dancers or the line of dance? It isn't just physical contact that is bothersome. The whole rhythm of the pista can be thrown off by very slow volcadas or high boleos. I can always tell when there is a thoughtless dancer behind me because my partner's musicality is thrown off trying to protect me from abrupt stops or backsteps or leader boleos. And yet TL is completely oblivious to what is going on behind him. --- David Thorn thorn-ins...@hotmail.com wrote: larrynla wrote: A lot of stuff. Bravo and thank you. [rant] If we are not messing with other dancers or the line of dance, etc., what is wrong if we express our feelings as we wish through our dance? Is Tango an art form or is it merely a stilted, codified and over prescribed set of step patterns, as bad as the worst excesses that one might find in the ballroom world? Does it diminish you to let me dance tango as I wish? I think that it is the self appointed purists who fail to dance tango, and should rename their dance to Codified Tango. Larry and Rod both made the point that the by the time the second tango dancer hit the floor, tango had become Nuevo and it has remained so ever since. If you would like to copyright the term 'Tango', you are welcome to try. In the meantime, the word, and the dance, belongs to the world. [/rant] David _ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009 ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] The Truth About Tango Nuevo
Oh, take a chill pill. I did not use the words nuevo, milonguero or crap in my post. But your defensiveness is telling. Maybe my question should have been, if a dancer is 'messing with' the other dancers, then how do we get him to stop? And by the way - a milonguero, by definition, would not do those annoying things. A dancer or a 'bailarin' as the Argentines say, might. --- Noughts damian.thomp...@gmail.com wrote: Really? So a slow milonguero doesn't do this? Or a milonguero that doesnt follow 'the rules'? Surely it comes back to the dancers themselves! Get off the 'nuevo dancers are crap' thought process and maybe as David says, focus on 'crap dancers suck' rant... But who's to say who is crap? O dear, here come the 'tango nazi police' again cause I paused when I felt pause, but you didn't... Sheesh, I must suck as a dancer then hey Sent from my iPhone, from somewhere... On 11/04/2009, at 5:51 AM, NANCY ningle_2...@yahoo.com wrote: This rant is not new. This justification is not new. Here is my question: Who decides if you are messing with the other dancers or the line of dance? It isn't just physical contact that is bothersome. The whole rhythm of the pista can be thrown off by very slow volcadas or high boleos. I can always tell when there is a thoughtless dancer behind me because my partner's musicality is thrown off trying to protect me from abrupt stops or backsteps or leader boleos. And yet TL is completely oblivious to what is going on behind him. --- David Thorn thorn-ins...@hotmail.com wrote: larrynla wrote: A lot of stuff. Bravo and thank you. [rant] If we are not messing with other dancers or the line of dance, etc., what is wrong if we express our feelings as we wish through our dance? Is Tango an art form or is it merely a stilted, codified and over prescribed set of step patterns, as bad as the worst excesses that one might find in the ballroom world? Does it diminish you to let me dance tango as I wish? I think that it is the self appointed purists who fail to dance tango, and should rename their dance to Codified Tango. Larry and Rod both made the point that the by the time the second tango dancer hit the floor, tango had become Nuevo and it has remained so ever since. If you would like to copyright the term 'Tango', you are welcome to try. In the meantime, the word, and the dance, belongs to the world. [/rant] David _ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009 ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] The Truth About Tango Nuevo
actually, the undeertone of your post is enough and don't bullshit yourself. I have seen milongueros do much worse. besides, if you are dancing with your eyes closed - doubt you have seen half of what I have... Sent from my iPhone, from somewhere... On 11/04/2009, at 11:16 PM, NANCY ningle_2...@yahoo.com wrote: Oh, take a chill pill. I did not use the words nuevo, milonguero or crap in my post. But your defensiveness is telling. Maybe my question should have been, if a dancer is 'messing with' the other dancers, then how do we get him to stop? And by the way - a milonguero, by definition, would not do those annoying things. A dancer or a 'bailarin' as the Argentines say, might. --- Noughts damian.thomp...@gmail.com wrote: Really? So a slow milonguero doesn't do this? Or a milonguero that doesnt follow 'the rules'? Surely it comes back to the dancers themselves! Get off the 'nuevo dancers are crap' thought process and maybe as David says, focus on 'crap dancers suck' rant... But who's to say who is crap? O dear, here come the 'tango nazi police' again cause I paused when I felt pause, but you didn't... Sheesh, I must suck as a dancer then hey Sent from my iPhone, from somewhere... On 11/04/2009, at 5:51 AM, NANCY ningle_2...@yahoo.com wrote: This rant is not new. This justification is not new. Here is my question: Who decides if you are messing with the other dancers or the line of dance? It isn't just physical contact that is bothersome. The whole rhythm of the pista can be thrown off by very slow volcadas or high boleos. I can always tell when there is a thoughtless dancer behind me because my partner's musicality is thrown off trying to protect me from abrupt stops or backsteps or leader boleos. And yet TL is completely oblivious to what is going on behind him. --- David Thorn thorn-ins...@hotmail.com wrote: larrynla wrote: A lot of stuff. Bravo and thank you. [rant] If we are not messing with other dancers or the line of dance, etc., what is wrong if we express our feelings as we wish through our dance? Is Tango an art form or is it merely a stilted, codified and over prescribed set of step patterns, as bad as the worst excesses that one might find in the ballroom world? Does it diminish you to let me dance tango as I wish? I think that it is the self appointed purists who fail to dance tango, and should rename their dance to Codified Tango. Larry and Rod both made the point that the by the time the second tango dancer hit the floor, tango had become Nuevo and it has remained so ever since. If you would like to copyright the term 'Tango', you are welcome to try. In the meantime, the word, and the dance, belongs to the world. [/rant] David _ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009 ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] The Truth About Tango Nuevo
This rant is not new. This justification is not new. Here is my question: Who decides if you are messing with the other dancers or the line of dance? It isn't just physical contact that is bothersome. The whole rhythm of the pista can be thrown off by very slow volcadas or high boleos. I can always tell when there is a thoughtless dancer behind me because my partner's musicality is thrown off trying to protect me from abrupt stops or backsteps or leader boleos. And yet TL is completely oblivious to what is going on behind him. --- David Thorn thorn-ins...@hotmail.com wrote: larrynla wrote: A lot of stuff. Bravo and thank you. [rant] If we are not messing with other dancers or the line of dance, etc., what is wrong if we express our feelings as we wish through our dance? Is Tango an art form or is it merely a stilted, codified and over prescribed set of step patterns, as bad as the worst excesses that one might find in the ballroom world? Does it diminish you to let me dance tango as I wish? I think that it is the self appointed purists who fail to dance tango, and should rename their dance to Codified Tango. Larry and Rod both made the point that the by the time the second tango dancer hit the floor, tango had become Nuevo and it has remained so ever since. If you would like to copyright the term 'Tango', you are welcome to try. In the meantime, the word, and the dance, belongs to the world. [/rant] David _ Rediscover Hotmail®: Get e-mail storage that grows with you. http://windowslive.com/RediscoverHotmail?ocid=TXT_TAGLM_WL_HM_Rediscover_Storage1_042009 ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
Re: [Tango-L] The Truth About Tango Nuevo
NANCY wrote: Here is my question: Who decides if you are messing with the other dancers or the line of dance? Indeed. That is THE question. If I am dancing simple close embrace but insist on pushing the couple ahead of me, I am messing with the line of dance. If I am dancing simple close embrace but am dawdling so as to create a large gap ahead of me and a pile up behind be, I am messing with the line of dance. If I am keeping my distance, neither pushing nor dawdling, and I am dancing entirely on my floor tile at any given instant, why should you care whether I am doing a series of rock steps waiting for traffic to clear, or a colgada waiting for traffic to clear? If traffic is moving at a good clip, why should you care whether I am walking in a conventional close embrace or, using Ron's example, Butt to Front? In my opinion, rude behavior on the dance floor is rude behavior, and considerate behavior is considerate behavior. I realize that this is not a new rant. The question is: Why the prejudiced attitudes that continue to pop up and warrant the rant, or perhaps we just have have trolls continuing to plague the list? In the world of skiing (my other passion), many snow boarders are obnoxious teenagers. They would be obnoxious on skis also. There are also many snow boarders who are considerate and are a pleasure to share the slopes with. In the past, a large number of ski areas took the path of prejudice and simply banned all snow boarders. Now, nearly all are more enlightened and ban bad behavior, whether on skis or snow boards, and permit safe and courteous users of the slopes, whether on skis or snow boards. Can't the tango world be as enlightened and kind as the ski world? David _ Quick access to your favorite MSN content and Windows Live with Internet Explorer 8. http://ie8.msn.com/microsoft/internet-explorer-8/en-us/ie8.aspx?ocid=B037MSN55C0701A ___ Tango-L mailing list Tango-L@mit.edu http://mailman.mit.edu/mailman/listinfo/tango-l
