Re: 4.0.20.2 OTFE Pwd: Initial Pwd Screen
[Reply to: »Jay Walker« · 2008-04-11 · 05:25 h (CET)] Moin, Jay! I guess you are talking about this: Yes, that is what I am talking about. Just now I tried it with my Caps Lock on, and I could see that it showed that fact okay. But when everything is normal, it just gives me a rather ugly gray rectangle (see attached graphic). Confirmed: - Caps Lock on - (Caps) plus warning - Caps Lock off - rectangle in highlighting color Cheers! VA - -- Direct eMail without [tbb] in subject line will end in Nirvana! QA mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 4.0.20.2 [Pro] on Windows XP [Pro] Service Pack 2. »Nothing travels faster than the speed of light with the possible exception of bad news, which obeys its own special laws.« Douglas Adams (1952 - 2001), »The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy« Current beta is 4.0.20.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 4.0.20.2 OTFE Pwd: Initial Pwd Screen
4/11/2008 9:50 AM Hi Jay, On 4/10/2008 Jay Walker wrote: JW I am not clear on why there are these language changes: Start-up JW versus Master Password and input versus enter. Wherever JW possible, consistent language and grammar is probably better. They're different passwords for different purposes. Assumptions are often more dangerous than inconsistency. - -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 4.0.20.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[2]: 4.0.20.2 OTFE Pwd: Initial Pwd Screen
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Paul Van Noord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JW I am not clear on why there are these language changes: Start-up JW versus Master Password and input versus enter. Wherever JW possible, consistent language and grammar is probably better. They're different passwords for different purposes. Assumptions are often more dangerous than inconsistency. Sorry, Paul, but I don't follow you. What is the different purpose? In both cases, is not the purpose to gain access to TB and its stored information? And are not the actions to input and enter fundamentally the same - typing some confidential characters and then pressing Enter or clicking OK? The reason why I generally recommend using consistent language and grammar *wherever possible* is mainly to avoid creating an impression that there is a different purpose or different action if there is not. -- jaywalker Windows XP Pro SP2 The Bat! Pro 4.0.20.2 Current beta is 4.0.20.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: 4.0.20.2 OTFE Pwd: Initial Pwd Screen
4/11/2008 11:41 AM Hi Jay, On 4/11/2008 Jay Walker wrote: JW Sorry, Paul, but I don't follow you. What is the different purpose? In JW both cases, is not the purpose to gain access to TB and its stored JW information? And are not the actions to input and enter JW fundamentally the same - typing some confidential characters and then JW pressing Enter or clicking OK? There are Master, Account Token PIN passwords used in TB to gain access to the program and/or specific accounts. Additionally we have the password to access a given account at the mail host. It is valuable to have a difference in the dialog for each so the user is clear as to which password is required. Assuming a password is a password is a password is dangerous in my opinion. I want my customers to easily recognize which password is required. Anyone knows that the need for a password is to gain access. Not everyone knows why and for what purpose. Therefore there is an obvious need for distinction in the differing dialogs so one knows which password is required. JW The reason why I generally recommend using consistent language and JW grammar *wherever possible* is mainly to avoid creating an impression JW that there is a different purpose or different action if there is not. - -- Take Care, Paul Voyager v.3.99.4 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 No IMAP OTFE Current beta is 4.0.20.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[4]: 4.0.20.2 OTFE Pwd: Initial Pwd Screen
On Fri, Apr 11, 2008 at 6:52 PM, Paul Van Noord [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 4/11/2008 Jay Walker wrote: JW Sorry, Paul, but I don't follow you. What is the different purpose? In JW both cases, is not the purpose to gain access to TB and its stored JW information? And are not the actions to input and enter JW fundamentally the same - typing some confidential characters and then JW pressing Enter or clicking OK? There are Master, Account Token PIN passwords used in TB to gain access to the program and/or specific accounts. Additionally we have the password to access a given account at the mail host. It is valuable to have a difference in the dialog for each so the user is clear as to which password is required. Assuming a password is a password is a password is dangerous in my opinion. I want my customers to easily recognize which password is required. Anyone knows that the need for a password is to gain access. Not everyone knows why and for what purpose. Therefore there is an obvious need for distinction in the differing dialogs so one knows which password is required. Paul, to the extent that the procedure is the same, the wording of the procedure should also be the same. There is absolutely no value in changing the word enter to input just to distinguish between a master password and a token PIN, especially when the sentence already specifies whether it is a master password or a token PIN. The distinctions that concern you are best accomplished by simply changing the title of the dialog box, the pertinent words (in this case, master password versus token PIN), or both. Telling users that they must input master passwords but enter token PINs is pointless and potentially confusing (should both dialog boxes be viewed and compared). In any event, this is a small point - not a major issue for this forum - and I will not argue it further. Feel free to have the last word. :) -- jaywalker Windows XP Pro SP2 The Bat! Pro 4.0.20.2 Current beta is 4.0.20.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
