Re: What is Content-Type: text/html, and Body parts are not necessary attachments (was: Address book weirdness)
Guten Tag, Marck Pearlstone, am Samstag, 4. August 2018 um 11:44 schrieben Sie: > In which case, I can see and sympathise with the point Ira made that > an email consisting only of an HTML part shouldn't be showing as an > attachment. First, I had no chance of seeing a message with a single body part of text/html. Second, TheBat! is wrong by calling the individual body parts "attachments", as in the menu which is called in German "Arbeitsplatz" (and in English probably work space? desk top?) where the fifth menu entry claims to provide configuration for how to show "attachments". On the other hand, it is nice when I can see all the various body parts, but normally they are accessible also by the tabs at the bottom of the message content (sub-) window. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Lüko Willms mailto:wil...@luekowillms.de Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 8.5.8.2
I had an AV when a certain forum notification came into one of my e-mail accounts. I ended up reading and deleting that e-mail on my smartphone... I'll try to figure out how to make this a useful bug report. :-) Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is Content-Type: text/html, and Body parts are not necessary attachments (was: Address book weirdness)
Hello Marck, Saturday, August 4, 2018, 2:44:58 AM, you wrote: > I wouldn't like to see TB functionality compromised by smoothing out > that interface element at the expense of the ability to save message > parts externally in the correct content-type file type. > Perhaps a switchable option to "Attachments: Show all parts / Show > only real attachments" would provide the flexibility for power and > standard users alike. Thank you. That's all I'm asking for. I've no desire to make the program less flexible, I just want a "Friendly" button so when I install it at a clients, wife included, they don't say, this is to confusing. Heck, most of the time I wish all that stuff was hidden. It's not often I care about the structure of an email, I just want to read it and open or save the attachments if there are any. -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address book weirdness
Hello Lüko, Saturday, August 4, 2018, 3:11:36 AM, you wrote: > Have you checked which address book is selected? > > I see in my case quite often that not my personal > addressbook is selected, but some LDAP database. > But, she has many address books and on my install I get a choice of which address book to add the email to, on hers it's as if I didn't even ask to have it added. Except for one of the folders where it does work. To the best of my knowledge the proper mailbox is chosen. -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
What is Content-Type: text/html, and Body parts are not necessary attachments (was: Address book weirdness)
please excuse me to break in again, but here a correction is called for: Hello Marck Pearlstone, and all the others Freitag, 3. August 2018 um 10:06 Marck Pearlstone wrote: >>> That happens if HTML mails are created. The attachment Message.html is >>> the HTML part of the mail and can not be removed. I>> If it's just the message, why show it as an attachment? > Because it's not the message. The only way of using HTML for email is > to make it an attachment. It's how email works. This is wrong. This is not how Internet email works today. Today's Internet mail is MIME encoded: Multipurpose Internet Mail Extensions (MIME). As in the past, each message consists of two parts, the header, and the body, with the header being for the MTAs and email client programs to deal with , while the body is what the human reader actually sees, or should see as the content. According to MIME, each message has at least a header indicating the MIME-Version: (which is 1.0, since no newer version of MIME exists) and a Content-Type: header, which indicates, well, of course how the body part is structured. Since the body can consist of several body parts with each of them their own characteristic. The Content-part header will indicate if it is a single body part, or a multipart message, and of which subtype the body part(s) are. If it is multipart, each body part has its own Content-Type header, and it can be multipart again. The MIME structure is recursive. A single body part can be text, binary, or application specific, and if it is text, the content-type would be mostly text/html or text/plain.[1] In TheBat!, one can see the structure by pressing the F9 key. Marck Pearlstone is wrong writing "The only way of using HTML for email is to make it an attachment." Look at Ira's message which Marck Pearlstone is replying to, identified by these headers: > Date: Fri, 3 Aug 2018 00:08:25 -0700 > From: Ira > Organization: Extrasensory Software > Message-ID: <1064100977.20180803000...@extrasensory.com> This message was obviously originally, as sent by Ira to the mailing list, a pure HTML message with a single body part of > Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable and this single body part was certainly not an "attachment". There was no other body part in it. But the mailing list processor Mailman added another body part with the headers > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > MIME-Version: 1.0 > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > Content-Disposition: inline and only content being the footer for this mailing list > > Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: > http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html > which is again not an attachment, as the "Content-Disposition: Inline" indicates. Otherwise it would have been of "Content-Disposition: Attachment". Read more about MIME in the en.Wikipedia-article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIME with links to the relevant RFCs and other documents. -- [1]This occasioned the phrase "In the beginning was text, and it was text/plain" Cheers, Lüko Willms Frankfurt am Main Germany -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Lüko Willms mailto:wil...@luekowillms.de Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What is Content-Type: text/html, and Body parts are not necessary attachments (was: Address book weirdness)
On 04 August 2018 at 10:25 Lüko Willms wrote and made these points LW> please excuse me to break in again, but here a correction is called for: ... >> Because it's not the message. The only way of using HTML for email is >> to make it an attachment. It's how email works. LW>This is wrong. This is not how Internet email works today. ... LW>A single body part can be text, binary, or application LW> specific, and if it is text, the content-type would be mostly text/html or text/plain.[1] ... LW>Marck Pearlstone is wrong writing "The only way of using HTML LW> for email is to make it an attachment." Thanks for this correction. You are absolutely right. LW>Look at Ira's message which Marck Pearlstone is replying to, identified by these headers: ... >> Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 >> Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable LW> and this single body part was certainly not an "attachment". LW> There was no other body part in it. LW> But the mailing list processor Mailman added another body part with the headers ... LW> and only content being the footer for this mailing list ... In which case, I can see and sympathise with the point Ira made that an email consisting only of an HTML part shouldn't be showing as an attachment. I wouldn't like to see TB functionality compromised by smoothing out that interface element at the expense of the ability to save message parts externally in the correct content-type file type. Perhaps a switchable option to "Attachments: Show all parts / Show only real attachments" would provide the flexibility for power and standard users alike. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v8.5.8.2 (ALPHA) on Windows 10.0.17134 pgpmsCNwrLVhM.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address book weirdness
Guten Tag, Ira, am Donnerstag, 2. August 2018 um 22:24 schrieben Sie: > I'm trying to get my wife set up on the bat, but I can't get the > address book to populate. Right click=>Specials=>add sender to address > book does nothing and scanning the inbox and telling it to add > all senders for the last 6 months also does noting, claims there > are no addresses to add. Have you checked which address book is selected? I see in my case quite often that not my personal addressbook is selected, but some LDAP database. -- Mit freundlichen Grüßen Lüko Willms mailto:wil...@luekowillms.de Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address book weirdness
Hello Paul, Friday, August 3, 2018, 10:51:28 AM, you wrote: > Perhaps choosing an email client that best approximates your wife's > style would be a better choice than beating up a very successful client > in a futile attempt to make it suit the whims of a single > user. OperaMail and Thunderbird come to mind I tried those before choosing The Bat, they both suck! -- Ira Current beta is 8.5.8.2 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
