Re: Feature wish - edit subject line

2004-10-18 Thread Bill McCarthy
On Mon 18-Oct-04 12:39am -0400, David Elliott wrote:

 Salutation TBBETA,

 Rumour believes that on 18 October 2004, at
 20:36:55 -0500 (which was
 02:36 where I live) Bill McCarthy wrote

  ... 

 Here's the filter:

  ... 

 Looks a bit like mine.

 Modify both for your own system and favorite editor. If we could
 only pass on the name of the folder containing the mail, we could
 import back to that same folder and the process would be as seamless
 as Becky.

 You can (I think).

 At the bottom of the Run external program it states

 8=
 Use %1 parameter to specify the file name
 containing the message in
 RFC-822 formay. It is possible to use template macros likw %FROM,
 %TOLISTetc. to pass messsage properties as parameters.
 8=

 So it looks like you can pass parameters to the batch file one of them
 can be folder name.

 Not tried but might.

I tried.  With the following command line:

c:\util\revmsg.cmd %FolderName

the batch file received, in %1, the un-expanded
%FolderName :-(

But maybe there's a another way that works.

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Re: Feature request: before after common filters

2004-10-18 Thread George Mitchell
Michael Geyer wrote:

 What I'd like is a way to specify common filters that execute after
 account ones.

MG So do I a long time.

Indeed.  Sorry about the duplicate request, but I've been away from
the beta stuff for a while.  Rather than reading everything, I read
through a bit of the recent stuff and then just marked ~2000 messages
read.  I'll try to keep up now.  :-)

MG Please feel free and add your notes to

MG https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3494

Will do, assuming I can log in to BT.

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Re: Feature wish - edit subject line

2004-10-18 Thread David Elliott
Hi TBBETA,

Historians believe that on 18 October 2004, at 01:05:43 -0500 (which
was 07:05 where I live) Bill McCarthy wrote

 ... 

 So it looks like you can pass parameters to the batch file one of them
 can be folder name.

 Not tried but might.

 I tried.  With the following command line:

 c:\util\revmsg.cmd %FolderName

 the batch file received, in %1, the un-expanded
 %FolderName :-(

 But maybe there's a another way that works.

Humm. Not what it said in the tin. :(

We will have to wait for 9Val to see what he has to say.

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Re: Invalid Pointer Operation

2004-10-18 Thread George Mitchell
Mary Bull wrote:

MB I just had my second occurrence of the Warning Dialogue Window,
MB Invalid Pointer Operation.

MB I created a message to tbudl, pointed and clicked on the green-arrow
MB icon for Send the Message and got the Warning.

MB Used Message/Send Now, and the mail went with no further problem.

MB Anyone else getting this Warning?

Yes, just now.  The error happened *as soon* as I hit the Send now
button.  I looked at except.log, and though there was no corresponding
entry, there are several Invalid Pointer errors.  It would appear that
they can be silent, as one was logged right after I sent an earlier
message and I never got a UI notification.  I can post the details if
they'd be helpful, though I can't tie them to a specific event.

Update: after typing the above, I tried to save this message as a
draft.  Got the Invalid Pointer error, dismissed it and got an AV:

Access violation at address 001C. Read of address 001C.

Switched focus away from TB! and got another AV:

Access violation at address 009DC198. Read of address 025C.

Then the session deteriorated into alternating Invalid Pointer and AV
dialogs.  I finally had to kill TB! from Task Manager.

The good news is that the message was saved.

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Re: Feature wish - edit subject line

2004-10-18 Thread Doug Weller
Quoting Dierk Haasis [EMAIL PROTECTED]:

 Hello Doug!
 
 On Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 8:49:03 PM you wrote:
 
  Ok. My ISP adds a [Probable Spam] to THIS email.
 
  I leave it there and hit send.  Go ahead and set an option somewhere to
 remove it
  from my reply when you receive it.  I don't think you can.
 
 I am not quite clear why your ISP does it with your outgoing post, but
 I see where you are heading.

Sorry, I wasn't writing what I meant to write.  If, in a thread, someone's ISP 
adds a [Probably Spam] to the subject line, and that person replies without 
deleting the [Probable Spam] from the subject line, then there is nothing I can 
do about it without using a macro.  This is a recent trend and I see it more and 
more -- I think this is the first year I've seen this.  Maybe RitLabs will 
relent and let us doing something about it without a macro.  9Val?

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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

2004-10-18 Thread Stuart Hemming
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SC  What if when you click on a header it changes the view mode but by
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SC  lost.
What then, would be the point of changing the viewmode?

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AV in beta 3.0.2.1

2004-10-18 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo tbbeta,

  Just got an AV
  AV at address 005C379E in module thebat.exe read of address 2D6174A9
  acknowledging gave me
  AV at address 00585532 in module thebat.exe read of address F227758C

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Re: Usability enhancement: Read/ Unread Tabs

2004-10-18 Thread Peter Fjelsten
Munango-Keewati,

On 16-10-2004 22:46, you [MK] wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
MK It would also be nice to be able to create our own tabs and hide any
MK we don't want to see.

Any colour group you assign to a _folder_ will make it turn up as a tab
showing only the messages in that folder (think VFs for populating that
folder with a selection of messages).

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Re: rss2mail 1.2 sample plugin is now available.

2004-10-18 Thread Stuart Hemming
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ANV May be direct connection will help in situation when the old versions worked
ANV fine, but the 1.1 one began to return 407.
Default setup still gives 407 error but setting to 'direct connection'
works.

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[IGNORE] Test

2004-10-18 Thread Christian Grams




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Empty Folder silently removes parked messages ?

2004-10-18 Thread Olivier Mascia
Hello,

I see that the 'Empty Folder' action do silently remove all messages,
without consideration for parked messages. Is this really the way it
is designed ?

When I select all messages from the message list view, I get a
confirmation dialog when there are parked messages. That dialog allows
me to continue with removal, leaving the parked messages in place,
cancel or delete everything.

Having that same kind of proposal when using the Empty Folder action
seems obvious for me.

Are there reasons to disagree ?

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Re: Empty Folder silently removes parked messages ?

2004-10-18 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Olivier,

Monday, October 18, 2004, 11:36:00 AM, you wrote:

 I see that the 'Empty Folder' action do silently remove all messages,
 without consideration for parked messages. Is this really the way it
 is designed ?

What do you mean by consideration? Empty folder removes all but
the parked messages here. The parked message are not removed.


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Re: Empty Folder silently removes parked messages ?

2004-10-18 Thread Paul White
On Monday, 18 October 2004 at 10:36 (UK time), Olivier Mascia said:

 I see that the 'Empty Folder' action do silently remove all messages,
 without consideration for parked messages. Is this really the way it
 is designed ?

Not here, I've just tested it. 'Empty folder' removes all but parked
messages, just as I would expect.
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Re: Empty Folder silently removes parked messages ?

2004-10-18 Thread Olivier Mascia
Hello Alexander,

Mon, 18 Oct 2004 12:00:22 +0200, you wrote:

 I see that the 'Empty Folder' action do silently remove all messages,
 without consideration for parked messages. Is this really the way it
 is designed ?

 What do you mean by consideration? Empty folder removes all but
 the parked messages here. The parked message are not removed.

I just had Empty Folder delete eveything this morning, including
parked messages. But I'm using only IMAP (no POP server here). So this
is an IMAP related bug. I can reproduced at will. Right-Click on a
folder in the folders list, 'Empty Folder' deletes all messages,
including those parked.

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Re: Empty Folder silently removes parked messages ?

2004-10-18 Thread Cristina Ramos
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Hello Olivier,

On 18 October 2004 at 11:36:00GMT +0200 (which was 10:36 where I live)
Olivier Mascia wrote and made these points on the subject of Empty
Folder silently removes parked messages ?:

OM Hello,

OM I see that the 'Empty Folder' action do silently remove all messages,
OM without consideration for parked messages. Is this really the way it
OM is designed ?

Not confirmed here. Empty folder continues to work as always, leaving
parked messages (one of my favourite features of TB!).

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Re: Empty Folder silently removes parked messages ?

2004-10-18 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Olivier,

Monday, October 18, 2004, 1:05:41 PM, you wrote:

 What do you mean by consideration? Empty folder removes all but
 the parked messages here. The parked message are not removed.

 I just had Empty Folder delete eveything this morning, including
 parked messages. But I'm using only IMAP (no POP server here). So
 this is an IMAP related bug. I can reproduced at will. Right-Click
 on a folder in the folders list, 'Empty Folder' deletes all
 messages, including those parked.

Oh, ok. I guess I should add POP3 only somewhere to my signature...
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Re: Feature wish - edit subject line

2004-10-18 Thread Peter Palmreuther
Hello Michael,

On Sunday, October 17, 2004 at 7:02:19 AM Michael [MLW] wrote:

MLW Sig too long, 4-6 lines, I count 8.

This clearly shows: you can count, at least 'til 8 (12 if one read the
other message too). Now you're going to to ... what?
You did not even quoted correctly, but you're blaming a too line
signature? You really made my day, thanks :-)
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Re: Feature wish - edit subject line

2004-10-18 Thread Allie Martin
On 18/10/2004 at 12:17:23 AM, Doug Weller, [DW] wrote:

 Ok. I really hate the nannying thing though if it's still true RitLabs
 won't do this because we might misuse it.

AFAIK, Ritlabs has never posted an official statement on why this
feature has not been provided. If you're not too concerned with the
message headers and their full preservation, you could drag the
message to the Outbox, open it in the editor, edit it there and then
drag it back to where you had it.

BTW, you could create a manual filter that exports the message to file
and opens the exported message in your editor of choice. Edit the
message how you wish to and then import the finished copy. Is the
editing very frequent that this would make out to be a hassle?

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Re: Why do macros exist?

2004-10-18 Thread Allie Martin
On 18/10/2004 at 12:02:03 AM, George Mitchell, [GM] wrote:


 There are a bunch of ways to do this stuff.  The point being, with a
 little imagination you can have some fun, use all your macros and not
 annoy people.  I doubt many folks will object to getting your spam
 statistics in occasional small doses.  I think it's the quantity that
 puts folks off.

I think you should get the TBBETA member of the month award for this
suggestion. chuckle Not only is it elegant and thoughtful, but it
makes for a great compromise considering the situation. ;)

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Re: Feature wish - edit subject line

2004-10-18 Thread Allie Martin
On 18/10/2004 at 1:48:50 AM, Doug Weller, [DW] wrote:

 Sorry, I wasn't writing what I meant to write. If, in a thread,
 someone's ISP adds a [Probably Spam] to the subject line, and that
 person replies without deleting the [Probable Spam] from the subject
 line, then there is nothing I can do about it without using a macro.
 This is a recent trend and I see it more and more -- I think this is
 the first year I've seen this. Maybe RitLabs will relent and let us
 doing something about it without a macro.

This would be covered by a single addition to the filtering. The
ability to do string searching and replacing for messages.

In the meantime, you can weigh your options:

- tolerate it.

- use a tool like X-Ray to get rid of the extra string in the subject
line. That one would be perfectly fine anyway, since the original
sender had not put it there in the first place. :)

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Re: Empty Folder silently removes parked messages ?

2004-10-18 Thread Allie Martin
On 18/10/2004 at 6:05:41 AM, Olivier Mascia, [OM] wrote:

 I just had Empty Folder delete eveything this morning, including
 parked messages.

Hmmm. IMAP doesn't understand parking, even though one would think
that it would be useful even as a purely local function in TB!. IOW's,
if a message is parked locally, then it cannot be deleted from the
server mailbox using TB!. The problem though is if you delete the
local cache, that parked message flag is lost since the parking flag
isn't stored server side.

With IMAP, you're working with messages on the server. TB! just allows
you to do this in a seamless fashion, i.e., as if the messages were
local. TB! was initially a POP3 client extra-ordinaire. IMAP is built
with that solid POP3 foundation already established. The POP3 features
are all there and are seemingly functional. The local cache for each IMAP
server mailbox, as represented by a TB! folder containing messages,
uses the same message base format as POP3 folders. As a result, it
will support all the attributes and flags that you have for POP3.
However, all the special ones aren't supported by IMAP. Don't use them
expecting them to be preserved after deleting the cache. Don't use
them expecting them to be preserved when you move the message to
another folder.

Before relying on any message attribute, you have to think on whether
or not the server would support it. You really shouldn't have to but
TB!'s POP3 foundation makes this necessary at the moment. The IMAP
server supports the standard message attributes, such as read, unread,
replied, forwarded etc. It also supports storing message priority
flags. Finally it supports message labelling, i.e., labels used in the
IMAP protocol that TB! doesn't use. TB! uses it's proprietary colour
groups labelling (lovely for POP3, but a problem for IMAP). The IMAP
protocol leaves provisions for special attributes that TB! could take
advantage of. Other IMAP clients wouldn't know what they mean or be
able to use them, but at least these special attributes would be
stored on the server.

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Re: Shortcut confusion

2004-10-18 Thread Marcus Ohlström

On Monday, October 18, 2004, 14:02, Frank Dzicher wrote:

 I use the CTRL + Right to jump from one unread message to another.
 Today I noticed that there's a difference in using the CTRL key to
 left or to the right. Normally I use the right CTRL key and everything
 works fine. Trying the left one I have to release the CTRL key and
 press it again to jump to the next unread message. Bug or feature?

Cannot confirm, I can hold the left ctrl key down and just tap the right
arrow repeatedly to browse my messages, just as I can with the right
ctrl key. Can it be a bug in the v3.0.2.1 beta?

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Re: Empty Folder silently removes parked messages ?

2004-10-18 Thread Allie Martin
On 18/10/2004 at 7:07:37 AM, Allie_M, [AM] wrote:

 Hmmm. IMAP doesn't understand parking, even though one would think
 that it would be useful even as a purely local function in TB!.

BTW, I just parked a few messages in my spam folder and emptied it.
The parked messages remain. So I can't confirm this, unless your cache
was deleted and rebuilt with your not realizing this. This would mean
that the parked attribute would be lost. My previous message explains
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Crashes and VCard Bug

2004-10-18 Thread Ethan J. Mings

I've started to have a series of crashes with my current version of
the Bat.  They are hard to reproduce yet I do get AV errors.  I'll
continue to monitor and then report when I have something
reproducible.

In the meantime, can I get an answer from somewhere on the VCard
issue.  I've heard nothing about if this going to be addressed.

Jerry

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Re: Empty Folder silently removes parked messages ?

2004-10-18 Thread Olivier Mascia
Hello Allie,

Mon, 18 Oct 2004 07:07:37 -0500, you wrote:

 On 18/10/2004 at 6:05:41 AM, Olivier Mascia, [OM] wrote:

 I just had Empty Folder delete eveything this morning, including
 parked messages.

 Hmmm. IMAP doesn't understand parking, even though one would think
 that it would be useful even as a purely local function in TB!.

Wrong. Test it. Look at a server-side log of the IMAP session when you
switch on or off a Park flag. TB! seems to use the \Draft flag to
manage the Park status on the server-side. That may not be a good
idea. But that's how it works with TB!. This is because I discovered
TB! somehow remembers on the server-side the parking status that I
started using it. I can set Park on a message, log on another PC with
TB, access my mailbox and see the Park flag there.

It works very well when I try to delete a message or a thread from the
message list window. I correctly get a dialog asking if I really
intend to also delete the parked messages or if I delete everything
else except parked messages.

Just the 'Empty Folder' using a right-click on a folder in the folder
list empties everything without care for parked messages. I tested it
again on 3 folders, two of them which I just created for the test.

PS: Allie, I have used IMAP for years (and I just don't mean 2 or 3 by
writing this) and never had my hands back on POP for the same time.
Your explanation about IMAP was interesting and correct. But here the
facts are different. RT seems to have chosen to use the \Draft flag
(which they doesn't seem to use for anything else) to store the
Parking state.

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Re: Different greeting depending on .domain

2004-10-18 Thread Alexander Leschinsky
Hello Kian,

   On Sat, 16 Oct 2004 15:12:07 +0200 (16.10.2004 19:12 my local time),
   received Saturday, October 16, 2004 at 22:31:48 +0600,
   you wrote about Different greeting depending on .domain,
   at least in part:

KA Is it possible to have The Bat! make the different greetings depending on
KA .dk or .everythingelse
Yes, and you have at least two choices

1. Old, used by me (was written long time ago by Marck)

%SETPATTREGEXP=[EMAIL PROTECTED](\w*)?$%REGEXPMATCH=%TOADDR - extract TLD
from recipient's address, which you can handle as you want

2. New style (untested by me yet) - using plugin Langselector, which
defines two new macros

%setlang - define new nameset, based on characters in it
%islang - test used in OTEXT nameset on creating reply

BTW - author can give more detailed explanation, it's here, Alexey N. Vinogradov

I'm afraid (personally), that it will be not able differentiate between
different 8-bit languages (Spanish and French, for example) and usable
in case

One 8-bit language + 1 pure 7-bit


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Re: using the colour filter

2004-10-18 Thread Alexander Leschinsky
Hello Chris,

   On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 01:20:26 -0400 (17.10.2004 11:20 my local time),
   received Monday, October 18, 2004 at 17:30:50 +0600,
   you wrote about using the colour filter,
   at least in part:

C it seems when I create a filter for incoming mail all the types of
C filters seem to work except colour.
I hate screenshots (most times), but sometimes one image can say more,
that 1000 words

Here part of my Fresh-spam folder with color indication of different
sorts of ToDo tasks
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Re: Empty Folder silently removes parked messages ?

2004-10-18 Thread Allie Martin
On 18/10/2004 at 7:59:33 AM, Olivier Mascia, [OM] wrote:

 PS: Allie, I have used IMAP for years (and I just don't mean 2 or 3 by
 writing this) and never had my hands back on POP for the same time.
 Your explanation about IMAP was interesting and correct. But here the
 facts are different. RT seems to have chosen to use the \Draft flag
 (which they doesn't seem to use for anything else) to store the
 Parking state.

I stand corrected. :) Thanks for that piece of clarification which I
just confirmed.

Upon checking, I see that the message flagging attribute is also
stored server side. Some of the fixes are sneaking in. ;)

Colour groups and memos are the only unsupported attributes server
side. Down to just those. Good progress. :)

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Re[2]: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

2004-10-18 Thread Stuart Cuddy
Hello Stuart, Stuart here:
Monday, October 18, 2004, 3:02:38 AM, you wrote:

SC  What if when you click on a header it changes the view mode but by
SC  default when you leave the currently viewed folder the change is
SC  lost.
SH What then, would be the point of changing the viewmode?

 I often read my email on a computer upstairs, but make sure it gets
 stored on a computer downstairs. When I do this I need to quickly
 sort and filter my inbox content. By clicking on the From Header I
 can sort it by from and select all the mail from the same person to
 delete or move to another directory. I then have to remember to
 change it back by clicking,usually twice, on the Created Header to
 return it to my regular view.

 Or what about errant clicks where instead of clicking on the message
 you mean to click on you hit the header and accidentally change the
 viewmode.

 Or what if you want to temporarily sort by priority, or subject, or
 size, for whatever reason to see a pattern. It would be nice to not
 have to worry about returning to the old viewmode before leaving the
 folder.

 Many different reasons for many different people. ;)

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Filter does not move message ?

2004-10-18 Thread Cedric Fontaine
Bonjour !

Since the current beta I think, it seems that my filter does not move
message to trash until I switch to another folder and comme back to
the current.

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [C802E690.01C48FC1.4E4E4E93.00B01AE6]
Name: Submit\20spam\20to\20SpamRBL
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`0`0`\0D\0A}
MoveMessage folder \5C\5Ceasysoft\5CTrash
MarkRead
CreateMessage template %put\3D\27C:\5Ctemp\5Cexport.txt\27\0D\0A address [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]
ExportMessage Kludges OverwriteExist FmtUnix filename C:\5Ctemp\5Cexport.txt
IsManual
IsActive
IsHotkey
IsHotkeyOnly
IsSendQueue
endFilter  

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Re: Finally I found the problem of high CPU

2004-10-18 Thread Eddie Castelli
Dear Greg,

   -- Sonntag, 17. Oktober 2004, 20:49:03:


 Why don't you add a template for new  reply messages to
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the AB, then add the following to the
 templates:

 This way no one will ever have to ask.  :-)

Not a bad idea! didn't know you Can do this ;))
Thanks for the tip!


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Re: Why do macros exist?

2004-10-18 Thread Eddie Castelli
Dear NetVicious,

   -- Sonntag, 17. Oktober 2004, 23:58:35:


 [...] and miniRelayPlug.

Could you please let us know about this Plug-in?


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Re: Cannot Close The Bat! except with Task Manager [was Re: 3.0.2.1 (Beta/1) Bug?]

2004-10-18 Thread Eddie Castelli
Dear Mary,

   -- Sonntag, 17. Oktober 2004, 16:15:24:


EC Yes I will. 'hggdh' will open one for me for now. Probably I
EC will/have to reregister in BT so as I can add my comments.

EC Marry, would you have to proper URL where to register at BT?
 Cannot help but smile at your typo. Looks like something out of a
 dialogue from Shakespeare. vbg

You make me curious Mary ...


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Re: Different greeting depending on .domain

2004-10-18 Thread Bernd Distler
Hi Alexander,

just now (on 10/18/2004 at 14:38) you chipped in:

KA Is it possible to have The Bat! make the different greetings depending on
KA .dk or .everythingelse

 Yes, and you have at least two choices

And both are not very usable.

 1. Old, used by me (was written long time ago by Marck)

 %SETPATTREGEXP=[EMAIL PROTECTED](\w*)?$%REGEXPMATCH=%TOADDR - extract TLD
 from recipient's address, which you can handle as you want

And what is about domains like gmx.com, aol.com etc? The TLD isn't
usable for a definition of the language.

 2. New style (untested by me yet) - using plugin Langselector, which
 defines two new macros

Also not usable, you said it already.

I have made different template- and cookie-files which can be selected
with an x-Header X-Language (see my header) which will also be used
to set the spell checker and use different templates with variables.
The selection of the language works on different ways:

1. The template looks for a X-Language-Header in the original mail and
   set the new X-Language-Header to the same.

2. The template looks for different words, which only are used in ONE
   language (i only speak german and english). If one of the words is
   found in the original mail (when i reply to a mail) the header will
   be set to the Language-Code.

3. If no words are found (also when i write a new mail) the template
   looks if the recipient has a country-entry in the adressbook and
   select with this entry, which language will be used.

4. If auto-selection fail, a standard-language will be used.

5. You can set the X-Language-Header manually in the editor.

The complete package currently is only availabe in german and englisch
(german installation description only at the moment), but if someone
is interested i could make an english version and release it in this
list. The package can easly extended with new languages like danish or
swedish if wanted (and someone would make the translations ;) )
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Re: Empty Folder silently removes parked messages ?

2004-10-18 Thread Olivier Mascia
Hello Allie,

Mon, 18 Oct 2004 08:13:00 -0500, you wrote:

 On 18/10/2004 at 7:59:33 AM, Olivier Mascia, [OM] wrote:

 PS: Allie, I have used IMAP for years (and I just don't mean 2 or 3 by
 writing this) and never had my hands back on POP for the same time.
 Your explanation about IMAP was interesting and correct. But here the
 facts are different. RT seems to have chosen to use the \Draft flag
 (which they doesn't seem to use for anything else) to store the
 Parking state.

 I stand corrected. :) Thanks for that piece of clarification which I
 just confirmed.

Glad you can confirm it works the same on your side. :)
Do you also confirm that the 'Empty Folder' through a right-click on
the folder name do remove all parked messages as well, while deleting
messages from the message pane do correctly warn about and allows to
delete everything except parked messages ?

 Upon checking, I see that the message flagging attribute is also
 stored server side. Some of the fixes are sneaking in. ;)

This one was really expected. And I know many other imap clients which
also handle it, because there is an Imap flag '\Flagged'. So for this
one, it is perfectly correct that TB! reflect the client-side flag to
the server-side flag. I used it for years with another mail client
(Becky!). Becky has no park flag. But it allows you to set in your
configuration that you do not want to delete any flagged message. So
basically, Becky allows you to rely on imap \Flagged to tag messages
that you want to park. With TB I can now use Flagged and Parked
(\Draft) for different needs. They often overlap though. I would have
lived happily only with an option not to delete my flagged messages
though.

Using the \Draft server flag for storing the park is a bit of a hack.
But I understand TB! has no use for that \Draft flag, so perverting it
for park is not that bad. Can just seem a bit odd from some other imap
clients.

 Colour groups and memos are the only unsupported attributes server
 side. Down to just those. Good progress. :)

Indeed. For these some support on the IMAP server side would be
required. I think I read some RFC-draft proposal about handling
application / user specific additional flags on an IMAP server, but I
am not sure now if I had a dream or read it for sure. ;-) I'll dig
some more. At least with basic IMAP 4rev1 without any extension, there
is no mechanism that would allow TB! to manage color coding on the
server side.

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Proper positioning of Txt

2004-10-18 Thread Eddie Castelli
Dear all,


Please look at my sig. When writing it it is properly formatted and
the vertical lines are in the same column. But when looking at it
after it has being in the list the lines have moved like this:

 start =
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  end  =

Any Idea how I can maintain the format?



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Re: Proper positioning of Txt

2004-10-18 Thread Marcus Ohlström

On Monday, October 18, 2004, 15:31, Eddie Castelli wrote:

 Please look at my sig. When writing it it is properly formatted and
 the vertical lines are in the same column. But when looking at it
 after it has being in the list the lines have moved like this:

  start =
   best regards   | Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33
 www.EddieCastelli.com | on Windows 2000 5.0
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   end  =

 Any Idea how I can maintain the format?

View your messages using the plain text viewer. I usually do and your
signature has always looked OK, but when switching to the RTV it's
screwed up just like above.

In other words, when editing your message, you rely on it being viewed
in a plain text viewer, no matter which email client the recipient uses.
Considering that many clients out there defaults to fonts not being
fixed width, you might want to change your signature.

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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

2004-10-18 Thread Stuart Hemming
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SC  sort and filter my inbox content. By clicking on the From Header I
SC  can sort it by from and select all the mail from the same person to
SC  delete or move to another directory. I then have to remember to
SC  change it back by
So, again, what's the point in it changing the viewmode?

If I have a VM set and I want a temp change to, say, sorting, I would
like to be able to click on the header and then forget about it.
If/when I return to this folder the original VM should still apply. I
can't see the point in getting TB! to change the VM only to forget the
changes the instant I leave the folder.

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Re: Empty Folder silently removes parked messages ?

2004-10-18 Thread Allie Martin
On 18/10/2004 at 8:28:54 AM, Olivier Mascia, [OM] wrote:

 Do you also confirm that the 'Empty Folder' through a right-click on
 the folder name do remove all parked messages as well, while
 deleting messages from the message pane do correctly warn about and
 allows to delete everything except parked messages ?

I'm afraid I cannot confirm this. The empty folder command doesn't
delete parked messages here.

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Re: kjh

2004-10-18 Thread Marcus Ohlström

On Monday, October 11, 2004, 16:09, Stefan Tanurkov wrote:

ST Your version shows RC6 ;-)

 Just look at your message's subject - looks like you were testing the
 jumping text issue ;-)

Stefan, you know this wasn't solved in the release version, do you? In
fact, it's even worse. As soon as I hit ctrl-enter to send the message,
the email address in the To: field jumps far up left and stays there,
even if I cancel the confirmation dialog asking me whether to send the
message or not.

No jumping in the subject field, but I don't remember how things were
earlier regarding this field.

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Re: Empty Folder silently removes parked messages ?

2004-10-18 Thread Olivier Mascia
Hello Allie,

Mon, 18 Oct 2004 08:54:58 -0500, you wrote:

 On 18/10/2004 at 8:28:54 AM, Olivier Mascia, [OM] wrote:

 Do you also confirm that the 'Empty Folder' through a right-click on
 the folder name do remove all parked messages as well, while
 deleting messages from the message pane do correctly warn about and
 allows to delete everything except parked messages ?

 I'm afraid I cannot confirm this. The empty folder command doesn't
 delete parked messages here.

Well. Then it might be related to my setting of compress folders when
switching to another folder. When I Empty Folder, the message list
first refreshes showing only the parked messages. So everything looks
like it worked the right way. I then set the focus to another folder
and then come back to this one : now they have disappeared.

I'll try to better isolate / simplify the exact context of this issue
before reporting again. There's no smoke without fire. :)

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Re: Proper positioning of Txt

2004-10-18 Thread Nick Andriash
On Monday, October 18, 2004, at 7:24:28 AM, Eddie wrote:

 Any Idea how I can maintain the format?

As Marcus has suggested, only those viewing your message that use fixed
width fonts, like I do, see your signature as you would like us to.


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Re: SetHeader macro

2004-10-18 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello NetVicious,

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:31:21 +0200 GMT (18/10/2004, 00:31 +0700 GMT),
NetVicious wrote:

 You need to let TB know the X-Rogue header too

N Thanks a lot. I think this step should be not necessary

You mean if you use the %SetHeader macro, the header should be created
automatically even if it is not declared? If you put that in the
wish list *and* post the URL here, I'll support it.

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Re: Log in status bar grows to taskbar

2004-10-18 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Zeynel,

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 17:17:21 +0300 GMT (18/10/2004, 21:17 +0700 GMT),
Zeynel wrote:

Z Sometimes, when I clicked and scrolled the log text in status bar, it
Z resizes and goes over the taskbar. This is a long standing issue for
Z me, it was always there. Any confirmations?

Not confirmed. When I click on the status bar (or the little arrow
pointing down) it opens like a drop-down box but upwards, not down to
the taskbar. Scrolling doesn't change the size at all. It has always
been like that over here, under both Win98 and XP.

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Re: Finally I found the problem of high CPU

2004-10-18 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Eddie,

On Sun, 17 Oct 2004 19:31:52 +0200 GMT (18/10/2004, 00:31 +0700 GMT),
Eddie Castelli wrote:

 I cannot find your OS in the sig. What Windows version are you
 using?

EC W2k/SP3

Thanks, I saw that in the bugreport now also. I asked because I
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Re: Filter does not move message ?

2004-10-18 Thread Sean Rima
 Cedric,

Monday, October 18, 2004, 2:16:07 PM, you wrote:

 Bonjour !

 Since the current beta I think, it seems that my filter does not move
 message to trash until I switch to another folder and comme back to
 the current.

  TB! Message Filter 
 beginFilter
 UID: [C802E690.01C48FC1.4E4E4E93.00B01AE6]
 Name: Submit\20spam\20to\20SpamRBL
 Filter: {\0D\0A\20`0`0`\0D\0A}
 MoveMessage folder \5C\5Ceasysoft\5CTrash
 MarkRead
 CreateMessage template %put\3D\27C:\5Ctemp\5Cexport.txt\27\0D\0A address [EMAIL 
 PROTECTED]
 ExportMessage Kludges OverwriteExist FmtUnix filename C:\5Ctemp\5Cexport.txt
 IsManual
 IsActive
 IsHotkey
 IsHotkeyOnly
 IsSendQueue
 endFilter  


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Google Desktop TB!

2004-10-18 Thread Kevin J. Menard, Jr.
Hi,

I think it'd be great if Google Desktop could index my TB! email
files.  I realize TB! has its own search facility, but the ability to
search my entire computer at once would be pretty cool.  With that
said, if you think this would be nice as well, please let Google know
at:

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on the matter.  Just don't tell Google you want it.  They won't add it
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Re[2]: Log in status bar grows to taskbar

2004-10-18 Thread Martin Webster
 
Zeynel [Z], wrote:

TF Not confirmed. When I click on the status bar (or the little arrow
TF pointing down) it opens like a drop-down box but upwards, not down to
TF the taskbar. Scrolling doesn't change the size at all. It has always
TF been like that over here, under both Win98 and XP.

Z I just discovered it happens when TB! checking the mail. It grows to
Z very bottom of the screen while I scrolled it up.

Yes, I've seen it occasionally... and yes, these are the correct steps
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Re: Why do macros exist?

2004-10-18 Thread drifthat
Hello Michael,

Monday, October 18, 2004, 5:42:01 AM, you wrote:

MLW Why do so many macros exist, when no one wants to see them used. BayesIT!
MLW has macros, Bayes Filter has macros, MyMAcros has macros, Zombie has
MLW MAcros, yet no one seems to use them and no one wants them included in
MLW messages. Why?

I did use the macros, but IMO, TB should extend the macros to the scripts.
Just like the shell scripts(batch file) on Unix(windows) system.

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Re: Shortcut confusion

2004-10-18 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Frank,

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 14:02:29 +0200GMT (18-10-2004, 14:02 +0200, where
I live), you wrote:

FD Trying the left one I have to release the CTRL key and press it again to
FD jump to the next unread message. Bug or feature?

Cannot confirm.

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Re: Empty Folder silently removes parked messages ?

2004-10-18 Thread Allie Martin
On 18/10/2004 at 9:02:29 AM, Olivier Mascia, [OM] wrote:

 Well. Then it might be related to my setting of compress folders when
 switching to another folder. When I Empty Folder, the message list
 first refreshes showing only the parked messages. So everything looks
 like it worked the right way. I then set the focus to another folder
 and then come back to this one : now they have disappeared.

Ok. I confirm the behaviour now. Initially, after doing the empty
folder operation deletes all except the parked messages. When I move
to another folder, the compress on exit kicks in, deleting the parked
messages.

So it would seem that though the parked flag seems to be supported,
there's a problem. When you empty the folder, the folder is indeed
emptied server side. The server doesn't care about the message being
marked as parked, since it's treated just like any other attribute.

However, locally, the cache is using the POP3 base format so the
parked messages remain in the list .. until you compress it.
Compression deletes all those messages in the list that aren't on the
server.

Do we expect otherwise? ;) Unless TB! stops using the 'empty folder'
command and instead, make the empty folder menu item delete all
messages except the parked ones.

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Re: SetHeader macro

2004-10-18 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Thomas,

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 21:24:18 +0700GMT (18-10-2004, 16:24 +0200, where
I live), you wrote:

 You need to let TB know the X-Rogue header too
N Thanks a lot. I think this step should be not necessary

TF You mean if you use the %SetHeader macro, the header should be created
TF automatically even if it is not declared? If you put that in the
TF wish list *and* post the URL here, I'll support it.

Me too.

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Re: Feature wish - edit subject line

2004-10-18 Thread Dwight A Corrin
On Sunday, October 17, 2004, 4:51:55 AM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

 Hello Doug Weller  everyone else

 16-Okt-2004 16:54, you wrote:

 I'd really like an easy way to do some editing.

 Isn't xrayapp made exactly for that?

Why should one have to have another app to do what a good email client
should allow: ability to edit both subject and text of incoming
emails (as well as repair threads)


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Re: Feature wish - edit subject line

2004-10-18 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello Doug!

On Monday, October 18, 2004 at 8:48:50 AM you wrote:

 Sorry, I wasn't writing what I meant to write.  If, in a thread, someone's ISP
 adds a [Probably Spam] to the subject line, and that person replies without
 deleting the [Probable Spam] from the subject line, then there is nothing I can
 do about it without using a macro.

Ah, now I understand the wish. The correct solution is obviously the
one replying should clean up the subject line. Which is why I once or
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Re: Log in status bar grows to taskbar

2004-10-18 Thread Mike Pesce
 Sometimes,  when  I clicked and scrolled the log text in status bar,
 it  resizes and goes over the taskbar. This is a long standing issue
 for me, it was always there. Any confirmations?

I'm  sorry for throwing the thread off a bit, but I didn't see
the original message.  Yes, I can confirm this.
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Re: Feature wish - edit subject line

2004-10-18 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello Dwight!

On Monday, October 18, 2004 at 6:33:24 PM you wrote:

 Why should one have to have another app to do what a good email client
 should allow:

Because it stands to reason if a !good e-mail client should allow
this kind of tinkering.





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Re: Log in status bar grows to taskbar

2004-10-18 Thread Raymund Thomas Tump
Hi TBBeta,

 Not confirmed. When I click on the status bar (or the little arrow
 pointing down) it opens like a drop-down box but upwards, not down
 to the taskbar.

Regarding the opening of the statusbar upwards, that is common
behaviour of Windows controls. If the submenu doesn't fit at the right
it is shown on the left. If the drop-down doesn't fit below it is
shown on top. May be unintuitive but that's what it will be forever I
suppose.

 Scrolling doesn't change the size at all. It has always been like
 that over here, under both Win98 and XP.

Happened here sometimes, too. But never since the introduction of the
new status panel. I thought this error was gone.

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Re: Log in status bar grows to taskbar

2004-10-18 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Raymund,

On Mon, 18 Oct 2004 19:05:04 +0200 GMT (19/10/2004, 00:05 +0700 GMT),
Raymund Thomas Tump wrote:

 Not confirmed. When I click on the status bar (or the little arrow
 pointing down) it opens like a drop-down box but upwards, not down
 to the taskbar.

RTT Regarding the opening of the statusbar upwards, that is common
RTT behaviour of Windows controls.

I know. That's why I think the arrow should point up.

 Scrolling doesn't change the size at all. It has always been like
 that over here, under both Win98 and XP.

RTT Happened here sometimes, too. But never since the introduction of the
RTT new status panel. I thought this error was gone.

OK, I have seen some people confirm the problem, it just doesn't
happen here, so I'll be quiet.

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Re: Feature wish - edit subject line

2004-10-18 Thread Doug Weller
Hi Dierk,


Monday, October 18, 2004, 5:41:33 PM, you wrote:

Dierk Hello Doug!

Dierk On Monday, October 18, 2004 at 8:48:50 AM you wrote:

 Sorry, I wasn't writing what I meant to write.  If, in a thread, someone's ISP
 adds a [Probably Spam] to the subject line, and that person replies without
 deleting the [Probable Spam] from the subject line, then there is nothing I can
 do about it without using a macro.

Dierk Ah, now I understand the wish. The correct solution is obviously the
Dierk one replying should clean up the subject line. Which is why I once or
Dierk twice have replied to threads on this list to just do that.

But people don't do that, sadly.  I belong to a lot of lists to do with
dog agility and cooking, and this sort of thing is pretty common.

Doug

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Re: Feature wish - edit subject line

2004-10-18 Thread Doug Weller
Hi Dierk,


Monday, October 18, 2004, 5:56:25 PM, you wrote:

Dierk On Monday, October 18, 2004 at 6:33:24 PM you wrote:

 Why should one have to have another app to do what a good email client
 should allow:

Dierk Because it stands to reason if a !good e-mail client should allow
Dierk this kind of tinkering.

Others do. What's the reason not to allow it in TB? It isn't tinkering,
it's editing.  I can already delete attachments, which is editing.

Doug

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Re: Feature wish - edit subject line

2004-10-18 Thread Allie Martin
On 18/10/2004 at 11:56:25 AM, Dierk Haasis, [DH] wrote:

 Because it stands to reason if a !good e-mail client should allow
 this kind of tinkering.

It already does. Just export the message to file. Tinker at will.
Import the 'tinkered' message and delete the original. This is very
easy to do too. A manual filter could make that first step of
exporting and opening the message in notepad or your favourite editor
a breeze. This one opens the message in notepad after exporting to
rfc-822 format.  :)

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [8F1049C0.01C4B535.41B5BA4A.2AF79179]
Name: Edit\20Message
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`21\0D\0A}
ExportMessage Kludges OverwriteExist FmtRFC822 filename C:\5Ctbedit.txt
RunExternal CmdLine C:\5CWindows\5CNotepad.exe\20%1
IsManual
IsActive
IsHotkey
IsHotkeyOnly
Ignore
endFilter

You could create another filter that imports the message to the Inbox
when finished. You then move your new message to the desired location.

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Re: Useability Enhancement: Reply with selected quote

2004-10-18 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Munango-Keewati  everyone else

17-Okt-2004 19:56, you wrote:

 This sounds great, but only if your correspondents are using a
 threaded email client.  I don't know that any of mine are.

Most client do include the in-reply-to and/or references headers.
Exceptions are MS Outlook when sending via Exchange server, and a couple of
stupid webmailers...

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Re: Empty Folder silently removes parked messages ?

2004-10-18 Thread Olivier Mascia
Hello Allie,

Mon, 18 Oct 2004 11:24:03 -0500, you wrote:

 On 18/10/2004 at 9:02:29 AM, Olivier Mascia, [OM] wrote:

 Well. Then it might be related to my setting of compress folders when
 switching to another folder. When I Empty Folder, the message list
 first refreshes showing only the parked messages. So everything looks
 like it worked the right way. I then set the focus to another folder
 and then come back to this one : now they have disappeared.

 Ok. I confirm the behaviour now. Initially, after doing the empty
 folder operation deletes all except the parked messages. When I move
 to another folder, the compress on exit kicks in, deleting the parked
 messages.
 ...
 Do we expect otherwise? ;) Unless TB! stops using the 'empty folder'
 command and instead, make the empty folder menu item delete all
 messages except the parked ones.

Yes we do expect otherwise. ;-) There is no such thing as an empty
folder in imap. Correct me if I'm wrong. There is an 'EXPUNGE'
command. But that one really removes all those messages that have the
'\Deleted' flag. Not any others. So TB! has to actually request the
deletion of all the messages, then the 'compress' actually expunge the
deleted messages.

Which means that TB! can perfectly delete messages that are not
parked, then expunge on compress. That's just a bug RT has to fix. :)

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Re: Feature wish - edit subject line

2004-10-18 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello Doug!

On Monday, October 18, 2004 at 7:25:13 PM you wrote:

 Others do. What's the reason not to allow it in TB? It isn't tinkering,
 it's editing.  I can already delete attachments, which is editing.

Good point.

I am not a great friend of tinkering with message texts or headers of
received messages, mainly for jurisdictional reasons. When messages
can easily be edited in that way (change of headers and message text)
they can no longer be used in legal actions. Already German judges do
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Re: Log in status bar grows to taskbar

2004-10-18 Thread Raymund Thomas Tump
Hi Thomas,

 RTT Regarding the opening of the statusbar upwards, that is common
 RTT behaviour of Windows controls.
 I know. That's why I think the arrow should point up.

As it is a common control it won't show up. It never does in any
program, why should it in TB! (Well they can write their own control
which points up, but there are so many better things to do :-))

 Scrolling doesn't change the size at all. It has always been like
 that over here, under both Win98 and XP.

 RTT Happened here sometimes, too. But never since the introduction of the
 RTT new status panel. I thought this error was gone.
 OK, I have seen some people confirm the problem, it just doesn't
 happen here, so I'll be quiet.

Me, too. I haven't seen the bug for a while now and hope I do not see
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Re: Empty Folder silently removes parked messages ?

2004-10-18 Thread Allie Martin
On 18/10/2004 at 12:31:40 PM, Olivier Mascia, [OM] wrote:

 Yes we do expect otherwise. ;-) There is no such thing as an empty
 folder in imap. Correct me if I'm wrong. There is an 'EXPUNGE'
 command. But that one really removes all those messages that have the
 '\Deleted' flag. Not any others. So TB! has to actually request the
 deletion of all the messages, then the 'compress' actually expunge the
 deleted messages.

Isn't there an empty folder command? I mean it in a subtle sense.

If you select 5 messages in the folder and delete them, how many
commands are sent to the server? I don't know if it's one listing the
message ids for the messages to be marked as deleted or if it's 5
separate commands.

Now, how would an empty folder command be handled? It could be
non-specific, or it could take the time to list the messages to be
marked as deleted when it's really not necessary. I suspect that the
empty folder command is likely not specifying particular messages to
flag as deleted and this is why the one's with the parked attribute
are being caught in the mix.

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Re[2]: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

2004-10-18 Thread Stuart Cuddy
Hello Stuart,
Monday, October 18, 2004, 8:37:15 AM, you wrote:

SH -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
SH Hash: SHA1

SC  sort and filter my inbox content. By clicking on the From Header I
SC  can sort it by from and select all the mail from the same person to
SC  delete or move to another directory. I then have to remember to
SC  change it back by
SH So, again, what's the point in it changing the viewmode?

SH If I have a VM set and I want a temp change to, say, sorting, I would
SH like to be able to click on the header and then forget about it.
SH If/when I return to this folder the original VM should still apply. I
SH can't see the point in getting TB! to change the VM only to forget the
SH changes the instant I leave the folder.

 I don't get your point. When you click on the header to do a
 temporary sort,it changes the viewmode permanently. What you describe
 above is what happens. Give it a try.
 Change you sort order by clicking on a header.
 Now leave the folder and then come back again.
 The folder will now be using the change you made, not the original
 sort order. This has also made a change to all folders using this
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Re: Feature wish - edit subject line

2004-10-18 Thread Doug Weller
Hi Dierk,


Monday, October 18, 2004, 6:40:28 PM, you wrote:

Dierk Hello Doug!

Dierk On Monday, October 18, 2004 at 7:25:13 PM you wrote:

 Others do. What's the reason not to allow it in TB? It isn't tinkering,
 it's editing.  I can already delete attachments, which is editing.

Dierk Good point.

Dierk I am not a great friend of tinkering with message texts or headers of
Dierk received messages, mainly for jurisdictional reasons. When messages
Dierk can easily be edited in that way (change of headers and message text)
Dierk they can no longer be used in legal actions. Already German judges do
Dierk tend to regard e-mail as much inferior to printed matter.

I think it's too late to shut the barn door. As we know, this can
already be done within TB with macros, so why not legitimate it?  If you
want an email client which won't let you tamper with the email at all,
TB isn't the one.

Doug

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IMAP Bug with Shared Folders

2004-10-18 Thread Gabriel
hi list,
I have two shared folders on my cyrus-imap-server for spamchecking, accessible for all 
known users.
The Server is configured with:

userprefix: user
sharedprefix: SPAM

My shared folders are named True and False

+- Inbox
+- Outbox
+- Sent
+- Trash
  +- SPAM-local
+- SPAM -- (public  shared)
  +- True
  +- False 

I can suscribe, select and use these folders. But if I select 
SPAM The Bat says where is an error from server:

!18.10.2004, 19:58:14: IMAP - Cannot select the mailbox SPAM. Server
 reports: Invalid mailbox name

I'm looking with google for Invalid mailbox name and found this:

---cut--
- Original Message -
From: Sam Varshavchik [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, April 06, 2001 2:04 PM
Subject: [courier-users] Re: Funny shared folders in Outlook Express

 Andreas Lund writes: [...]
 But we're stuck on a different issue, not a critical one but it's sure to
 cause some confusion if we roll it into production. In Outlook Express, this
 is what a user would see:

 my.server.name
 +- Inbox
 +- Shared
 +- UserA
 +- SharedFolderA
 +- UserB
 +- SharedFolderB

 Now, if he clicks on Shared, UserA or UserB he gets an error message:
 Could not select 'foldername' on the IMAP server. You might try refreshing
 your folder list to synchronize with the IMAP server. and Invalid
 mailbox.

File a bug report with Microsoft.  Those hierarchy entries have a \Noselect flag, but 
their crapware is ignoring it, and tries to open them
nevertheless.
---cut--

It's related to Outlook, but the problem is the same.
Can TB not handle the \Noselect - flag? Or is my server missconfigured?
Anyone confirm?

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Re: Log in status bar grows to taskbar

2004-10-18 Thread Marcus Ohlström

On Monday, October 18, 2004, 19:15, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

RTT Regarding the opening of the statusbar upwards, that is common
RTT behaviour of Windows controls.

 I know. That's why I think the arrow should point up.

Make sure there is enough room below your TB! window and the status
bar will open downwards. As others have said before, it's standard
Windows behaviour and the standard for the button arrow is to point
downwards.

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TB's EXE changed every time?

2004-10-18 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello TBBETA Members!

  I have a very strange experience with the current TB EXE:

  Whenever I start TB, F-Secure's fire wall tells me the program has
  been changed since last time and if I want allow it to connect to
  the Internet.




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Re: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

2004-10-18 Thread Marcus Ohlström

On Monday, October 18, 2004, 19:55, Stuart Cuddy wrote:

SH So, again, what's the point in it changing the viewmode?

  I don't get your point.

Isn't this just a question of semantics? You (Stuart Cuddy) are
talking about the reasons to temporarily change the sort order while
Stuart Hemming is talking about the rational for TB! changing the used
view mode when changing sort order. You are using the term changing
the view mode to describe what happens today, Stuart Hemming uses it
to describe what he think TB! *should* do (or rather should not do).

Am I right?

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Re: TB's EXE changed every time?

2004-10-18 Thread Charlene Ferrara
Hi Dierk Haasis,

Monday, October 18, 2004 
you let us know -at least in parts- :
 Hello TBBETA Members!

   I have a very strange experience with the current TB EXE:

   Whenever I start TB, F-Secure's fire wall tells me the program has
   been changed since last time and if I want allow it to connect to
   the Internet.

Did you run recently any cleaning program such as PurgatioPro or jv16
powertools?





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Re: TB's EXE changed every time?

2004-10-18 Thread Marcus Ohlström

On Monday, October 18, 2004, 20:32, Dierk Haasis wrote:

   Whenever I start TB, F-Secure's fire wall tells me the program has
   been changed since last time and if I want allow it to connect to
   the Internet.

I suppose you acknowledge the change when first launching TB! after
upgrading?

If so, first make sure your TB! exe is not infected with anything. If
it is not, this is probably just F-Secure having problems storing the
new hash for TB!. I've seen it happen with Kerio and that time I was
certain no change had been made (no, it wasn't TB!, but that really
doesn't matter).

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Re: TB's EXE changed every time?

2004-10-18 Thread Peter Palmreuther
Hello Dierk,

On Monday, October 18, 2004 at 8:32:01 PM Dierk [DH] wrote:

DH I have a very strange experience with the current TB EXE:

DH Whenever I start TB, F-Secure's fire wall tells me the program has
DH been changed since last time and if I want allow it to connect to
DH the Internet.

Maybe your F-Secure does not store the new checksum properly?
I know for sure my .exe ain't changed, Kerio only moans once, at first
start after an update.
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Re: Shortcut confusion

2004-10-18 Thread Michael Geyer
Hi Frank and list,

On Monday, October 18, 2004 at 14:02:29 GMT +0200 (which was 14:02
where I live) Frank Dzicher wrote (at least in parts) and made these
valuable points on the subject of Shortcut confusion:

 Trying the left one I have to release the CTRL key and press it again to
 jump to the next unread message. Bug or feature?

Confirmed. Never noticed before :-(

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Re[2]: SetHeader macro

2004-10-18 Thread Peter Hampf
Good evening Roelof,

on Mon, 18 Oct 2004 18:30:05 +0200 GMT your local time you wrote:

TF You mean if you use the %SetHeader macro, the header should be created
TF automatically even if it is not declared? If you put that in the
TF wish list *and* post the URL here, I'll support it.

RO Me too.

hmmm...  I am not really sure. This would simplify the procedure, of course.

But  the necessity to declare the header first reduces the chance of typos
inside  the  templates  [e.g.  setheader(x-rouge,:rogue:)] and also most
likely  reduces  the  appearance of messages with nonsence headers. If the
user  is  forced  to  DEFINE what he wants to insert at another place, he at
least has to *think* ;-) a bit.

Therefore I'd vote to leave it at the current state.

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Re: TB's EXE changed every time?

2004-10-18 Thread Charlene Ferrara
Hi Peter Palmreuther,

Monday, October 18, 2004 
you let us know -at least in parts- :

 Maybe your F-Secure does not store the new checksum properly?
 I know for sure my .exe ain't changed, Kerio only moans once, at first
 start after an update.
That has been the reason here for some strange side-effects some
software showed, and the cause therefor was that I did run a cleaning
tool, which promised to clean up only unused dlls, links leading to
nowhere and so on. After a restore all was fine again. So maybe the
checksum cannot be memorized because of a missing (deleted) part in
Kerio or F-secure.


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Re: Proper positioning of Txt

2004-10-18 Thread Michael Geyer
Hi Marcus and list,

On Monday, October 18, 2004 at 15:38:14 GMT +0200 (which was 15:38
where I live) Marcus Ohlström wrote (at least in parts) and made these
valuable points on the subject of Proper positioning of Txt:

  start =
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Eddie   | Build 2195 Service Pack 3
   on Tour   |
   end  =

 Any Idea how I can maintain the format?

 View your messages using the plain text viewer. I usually do and your
 signature has always looked OK, but when switching to the RTV it's
 screwed up just like above.

Cannot confirm your suggestion.

My PTV uses Courier New 10pt, likewise my RTV. In both Eddie's sig
look skewed.


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Re: SetHeader macro

2004-10-18 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Peter,

on Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:44:24 +0200GMT, you wrote:

TF You mean if you use the %SetHeader macro, the header should be created
TF automatically even if it is not declared? If you put that in the
TF wish list *and* post the URL here, I'll support it.

RO Me too.

PH hmmm...  I am not really sure. This would simplify the procedure, of course.

PH But  the necessity to declare the header first reduces the chance of typos
PH inside  the  templates  [e.g. 
PH setheader(x-rouge,:rogue:)] and also most
PH likely  reduces  the  appearance of messages with nonsence headers. If the
PH user  is  forced  to  DEFINE what he wants to insert at another place, he at
PH least has to *think* ;-) a bit.

PH Therefore I'd vote to leave it at the current state.

I fully agree, that it is better to define the header first before
implementing it in messages. You gave the reasons. :-)

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Re: TB's EXE changed every time?

2004-10-18 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello Charlene!

On Monday, October 18, 2004 at 8:34:55 PM you wrote:

 Did you run recently any cleaning program such as PurgatioPro or jv16
 powertools?

No.

For a time I wasn't quite sure if I had installed a new EXE, but for a
few days now TB is hasn't been changed by me.





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Re: TB's EXE changed every time?

2004-10-18 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello Marcus!

On Monday, October 18, 2004 at 8:37:08 PM you wrote:

 I suppose you acknowledge the change when first launching TB! after
 upgrading?

Yes, and checking Don't ask again for this program.




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Re: TB's EXE changed every time?

2004-10-18 Thread Dierk Haasis
Hello Peter!

On Monday, October 18, 2004 at 8:37:47 PM you wrote:

 Maybe your F-Secure does not store the new checksum properly?
 I know for sure my .exe ain't changed, Kerio only moans once, at first
 start after an update.

Must be an F-Secure problem. I'll dig deeper on that side.



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Re[2]: SetHeader macro

2004-10-18 Thread NetVicious
lunes, 18 oct 2004 at 16:24, it seems you wrote:

 You mean if you use the %SetHeader macro, the header should be created
 automatically even if it is not declared? If you put that in the
 wish list *and* post the URL here, I'll support it.


Done.
You have it here:
https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3960

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Re: TB's EXE changed every time?

2004-10-18 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Dierk,

on Mon, 18 Oct 2004 20:32:01 +0200GMT, you wrote:

DH   I have a very strange experience with the current TB EXE:

DH   Whenever I start TB, F-Secure's fire wall tells me the program has
DH   been changed since last time and if I want allow it to connect to
DH   the Internet.

I use Kerio PF, and it only asks for confirmation when I really
changed the exe.

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Re: Proper positioning of Txt

2004-10-18 Thread Nick Andriash
On Monday, October 18, 2004, at 12:18:00 PM, Michael wrote:

 Cannot confirm your suggestion.

 My PTV uses Courier New 10pt, likewise my RTV. In both Eddie's sig
 look skewed.

Confirm you are using that same font for signatures as well, because when I
use Courier New 10pt the signatures look fine.



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Re[2]: Why do macros exist?

2004-10-18 Thread NetVicious
lunes, 18 oct 2004 at 15:21, it seems you wrote:

 Could you please let us know about this Plug-in?


miniRelay it's a little Relay Server, it only send mails to other
mail server, it don't haves users or mailboxes, it's only a forwarder.

miniRelayPlug  it a plugin for TB! to run automatically miniRelay when
TB!  it's  opened, you also could use macros to get the version of the
program.

You could get more info in english here (thanks to Tim Musson):
http://www.blat.net/miniRelay/

I'm  the  author of both programs. I made it because some spanish ISPs
don't  allow  sending  email  from an non-ISP mail account. It's not a
proffesional mail server but it runs fine.

The plugin it's here (only in Spanish sorry)
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Re: Proper positioning of Txt

2004-10-18 Thread Marcus Ohlström

On Monday, October 18, 2004, 20:51, Michael Geyer wrote:

 My PTV uses Courier New 10pt, likewise my RTV. In both Eddie's sig
 look skewed.

Did you really look at his signature, or did you look at the copy of
the signature he pasted in the middle of his message, the one I
quoted? I believe that one was messed up by intention to make his
point.

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Re[3]: SetHeader macro

2004-10-18 Thread NetVicious
lunes, 18 oct 2004 at 20:44, it seems you wrote:

 But  the necessity to declare the header first reduces the chance of typos
 inside  the  templates  [e.g.  setheader(x-rouge,:rogue:)] and also most
 likely  reduces  the  appearance of messages with nonsence headers. If the
 user  is  forced  to  DEFINE what he wants to insert at another place, he at
 least has to *think* ;-) a bit.

It's an opion thanks.
I  think  we  not  need  a confirmation for this, there are a lot more
dangerous  options  in  TB!  than  this,  and  the others don't have a
declaration elsewhere.

I  think  when  people  it's playing with filters or macros the should
test they before sending any message. You could test the macros saving
a blank message to the outbox and checking headers with F9.

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Re: Empty Folder silently removes parked messages ?

2004-10-18 Thread Allie Martin
On 18/10/2004 at 9:02:29 AM, Olivier Mascia, [OM] wrote:

 Well. Then it might be related to my setting of compress folders when
 switching to another folder. When I Empty Folder, the message list
 first refreshes showing only the parked messages. So everything looks
 like it worked the right way. I then set the focus to another folder
 and then come back to this one : now they have disappeared.

Ok. I confirm the behaviour now. Initially, after doing the empty
folder operation deletes all except the parked messages. When I move
to another folder, the compress on exit kicks in, deleting the parked
messages.

So it would seem that though the parked flag seems to be supported,
there's a problem. When you empty the folder, the folder is indeed
emptied server side. The server doesn't care about the message being
marked as parked, since it's treated just like any other attribute.

However, locally, the cache is using the POP3 base format so the
parked messages remain in the list .. until you compress it.
Compression deletes all those messages in the list that aren't on the
server.

Do we expect otherwise? ;) Unless TB! stops using the 'empty folder'
command and instead, make the empty folder menu item delete all
messages except the parked ones.

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Re: Proper positioning of Txt

2004-10-18 Thread Michael Geyer
Hi Marcus and list,

On Monday, October 18, 2004 at 21:25:21 GMT +0200 (which was 21:25
where I live) Marcus Ohlström wrote (at least in parts) and made these
valuable points on the subject of Proper positioning of Txt:

 Did you really look at his signature,

Yep, I did with both PTV and RTV tsee any difference - there was none.

 I believe that one was messed up by intention to make his
 point.

This one (which I quoted too) looks exactly (without the  of
course)like the one shown here in my preview window both with RTV and
PTV.

BTW: I had that look only in the preview window. That's my preferred
window for reading mails. I rarely use a special msg-window (except F9
- source).

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Re: TB's EXE changed every time?

2004-10-18 Thread Peter Asenbauer
Hello Dierk,

Monday, October 18, 2004, 8:32:01 PM, you wrote:

   Whenever I start TB, F-Secure's fire wall tells me the program has
   been changed since last time and if I want allow it to connect to
   the Internet.

Just an idea: every time I updated BayesIt plugin (and consequently
closed and re-started TB) I got that question as well. But did you
change one of your plugins *every* time you started TB? Does not
sound too likely IMO.

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Re[2]: TB's EXE changed every time?

2004-10-18 Thread Peter Hampf
Good evening Peter,

on Mon, 18 Oct 2004 22:49:15 +0200 GMT your local time you wrote:

PA Just an idea: every time I updated BayesIt plugin (and consequently
PA closed and re-started TB) I got that question as well.

THAT  sounds  really  strange  to  me,  because  a plug-in mustn't alter the
mother  executable at all. Any firewall application should only trigger an
alert,  if  the  file's checksum has been changed due to any modification to
the exe file itself.

PA But did you change one of your plugins *every* time you started TB? Does
PA not sound too likely IMO.

Changing  any  plug-in must not trigger that alert in any case. Never. Apart
from  that  a  plug-in is not linked into the exe file but loaded at runtime
into memory. Therefore the application and its checksum will stay untouched,
no matter how often you change your plug-ins.

And  AFAIK TB does not change itself, too. Long ago - remember old DOS times
-  it had been common practise to store configuration information inside the
EXE  file. Nobody talked about viruses and nobody cared about any firewalls.

Today  this  is  a  deadly  sin  and  the  user  would  lose confidence if a
programmer would tell his executable to change itself.

Therefore  it's most likely that Dierks problem has something to do with his
firewall  application  which  probably  hasn't  stored  the  files  checksum
correctly. However it did it.

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Re: IMAP Bug with Shared Folders

2004-10-18 Thread Martin Webster
 
Gabriel [G], wrote:

G I have two shared folders on my cyrus-imap-server for
G spamchecking, accessible for all known users.
G The Server is configured with:

...snip

G +- Inbox
G +- Outbox
G +- Sent
G +- Trash
G   +- SPAM-local
G +- SPAM -- (public  shared)
G   +- True
G   +- False 

G I can suscribe, select and use these folders. But if I select 
G SPAM The Bat says where is an error from server:

G !18.10.2004, 19:58:14: IMAP - Cannot select the mailbox SPAM. Server
G  reports: Invalid mailbox name

I presume you know that SPAM is most likely not a folder and cannot
contain messages? With my server I would have two mailboxes:
;SPAM;True and ;SPAM;False in Maildir. TB! correctly identifies SPAM
as non-selectable and will colour the folder text grey; eliminating
the error messages. Nonetheless, I've had similar problems myself
using earlier versions of TB! and found that IMAP Folder Management
and Reset list can help.

However, it seems that the way in which folders are created can
contribute to the problem. You need to know what type of mailbox your
server uses before creating new folders in TB! (and other clients.)
Otherwise you may end up in a mess with TB! not identifying
non-selectable folders correctly. BTW, Outlook and Outlook Express
still display the error message in the message list.

Once the new beta cycle starts I think it would be really helpful if
IMAP users came up with some common operations we can test out on
different servers. For example, creating nested folders, renaming,
moving messages etc. What do you think?

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OT, typo Marry for Mary, and Elizabethan English usage [was Re: Cannot Close the Bat...]

2004-10-18 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Eddie!

On Sunday, October 17, 2004, 3:35 PM, you wrote, in part:

EC Marry, would you have to proper URL where to register at BT?

MB Cannot help but smile at your typo. Looks like something out of a
MB dialogue from Shakespeare. vbg

EC You make me curious Mary ...

1) In parts of the U.S. South, marry, Mary, and merry are
pronounced the same.

2) In Elizabethen English (Sixteenth Century English), the word marry
was often used as an exclamation, in the same way that we would say,
Astonishing! or Wow! or even sometimes, simply, Well, to begin a
sentence.

That's in addition to its conventional meaning, the same as today, as
a synonym of to wed.

Example, from Shakespeare's play, *Much Ado About Nothing*:

Leonato: What would you with me, honest neighbour?
 Dogberry: Marry, sir, I would have some confidence with you
   that decerns you nearly.

End tutorial. My comment was just a lighthearted effort at humor. :)

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Re[2]: Google Desktop TB!

2004-10-18 Thread Martin Webster
 
Martin Schoch [MS], wrote:

 I think it'd be great if Google Desktop could index my TB! email
 files.

MS Well - the security problem with Google Desktop is an other topic, I
MS know, but don't forget it...

I can't see any real security problems with Google Desktop and it
seems I'm not alone:
http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1678974,00.asp.

Copied to TBOT.


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Re: OT, typo Marry for Mary, and Elizabethan English usage [was Re: Cannot Close the Bat...]

2004-10-18 Thread Andre Wichartz
Hello Mary,

Tuesday, October 19, 2004, 12:08:28 AM, you wrote:

 1) In parts of the U.S. South, marry, Mary, and merry are
 pronounced the same.

That must be one of the cases where people confuse me by emphasizing
that they pronounce words in a certain manner while the normal way
would be different they claim. How else could you pronounce it? Ah,
well, I'm a Southern USler then. Howdy!

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Re[2]: Has the Sort Columns/View Mode Bug Been Fixed?

2004-10-18 Thread Stuart Cuddy
Hello Marcus,
Monday, October 18, 2004, 1:33:51 PM, you wrote:

MO Isn't this just a question of semantics? You (Stuart Cuddy) are
MO talking about the reasons to temporarily change the sort order while
MO Stuart Hemming is talking about the rational for TB! changing the used
MO view mode when changing sort order. You are using the term changing
MO the view mode to describe what happens today, Stuart Hemming uses it
MO to describe what he think TB! *should* do (or rather should not do).

MO Am I right?

That may very well be right, but we still have a duty to fight about
it anyway. :)

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Bug? Failure of Macros to Expand

2004-10-18 Thread Bill McCarthy
Hello TB Beta List,

Attempting to pass the folder name (or any other macro)
to a batch file, the macro is not expanding.  For
example, a filter with the Execute action and command
line:

   c:\test_bat.cmd %FolderName

receives %FolderName - not expanded to the actual
folder name.  Is there some trick to get the macro to
expand?  Or is this a bug?

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Re: IMAP Bug with Shared Folders

2004-10-18 Thread Jonathan Angliss
On Monday, October 18, 2004, Gabriel wrote...

 hi list,
 I have two shared folders on my cyrus-imap-server for
 spamchecking, accessible for all known users.
 The Server is configured with:

 userprefix: user
 sharedprefix: SPAM

 My shared folders are named True and False

 +- Inbox
 +- Outbox
 +- Sent
 +- Trash
   +- SPAM-local
 +- SPAM -- (public  shared)
   +- True
   +- False 

 I can suscribe, select and use these folders. But if I select 
 SPAM The Bat says where is an error from server:

 !18.10.2004, 19:58:14: IMAP - Cannot select the mailbox SPAM. Server
  reports: Invalid mailbox name

[..]

 It's related to Outlook, but the problem is the same.
 Can TB not handle the \Noselect - flag? Or is my server missconfigured?
 Anyone confirm?

Is the folder really \NoSelect?  Have you checked?  It could be an
issue with the server using a / instead of a . or visa versa, and the
client sending the other.  Telnet to your IMAP server on port 143, and
do the following:

# telnet ipofserver 143
A01 LOGIN username password
A02 LIST  *
A03 LSUB  *
A04 LOGOUT

Paste the output (removing your password obviously), and we'll be able
to tell you if the \NoSelect flag exists or not.

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