Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
Hello Vili, Saturday, October 1, 2005, 10:33:24 PM, you wrote: How the heck a small, one-product software company can go bankrupt? No sales? Cyrus is doubtful, too whether he'll be able to release the code as open source either. To my mind, the best features of TB and Mulberry rolled together would be an awesome combination. -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.60.01 Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
backup
Hi all, I just made a backup with this version. No problems with the backing up proces but there is not enough room/place/space in the different submenus for the words: what to backup backup method progress, target drive (in Dutch) I am using the Dutch language but I also checked it with the English language and it is the same. -- Henk __ The Bat! Natural E-Mail System version 3.61.09 Echo (Beta) Pro on Windows XP SP2 PGPkey at: http://www.biglumber.com/x/web?qs=0X11EECBEEB464DD0F Gossamer Spider Web of Trust http://www.gswot.org A progressive and innovative Web of Trust pgpDiW82SyxYj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: backup
Hello Henk, I just made a backup with this version. No problems with the backing up proces but there is not enough room/place/space in the different submenus for the words: what to backup backup method progress, target drive (in Dutch) I am using the Dutch language but I also checked it with the English language and it is the same. I have enough space... I am using the English+Hungarian LNG combo file. (We make our own LNG file to reduce the size of the LNG file.) -- Vili The Bat 3.61.07 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 1 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Bold font rendering in dialogboxes
Hello everyone, with ClearType enabled on Windows XP, bold fonts are rendering wrong in various dialogue boxes (e.g. folder properties, preferences, etc.). See screenshot. ...talking about screenshots, I'd appreciate it if there was a way to paste screenshots not only into HTML messages, but into plain text messages (as attachments). -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Conway's Law: In every organization there will always be one person who knows what is going on. This person must be fired. fontrendering.png Description: PNG image Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
On 10/1/2005 at 10:17:23 PM [GMT -0500], Rmorris.R wrote: I've been running v3.61.09 beta all day without interruption. Things have been quite fine. No hiccups at all really. The main good point is that I haven't had to restart because the connection has flaked out on me. Have not had any problems with this build at all. BTW=Mulberry http://www.cyrusoft.com/ is dead. Yes. The news of Mulberry's demise is well known. I've been using TB! exclusively for quite some time now so I've been unaffected. However, it's a terrible thing to happen for IMAP. It's a great IMAP client. It's now running a full 24 hours uninterrupted and IMAP remains well behaved. mem usage 24 MB Peak mem usage 28MB VM usage 35MB -- -= Curtis =- The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) / http://specs.aimlink.name PGPKey: http://rsakey.aimlink.name ...You're trying to pull a clinton, aren't you? pgpR3MlpjpXGp.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bold font rendering in dialogboxes
Hello Alexander, A reminder of what Alexander S. Kunz typed on: Sunday, October 02, 2005 at 12:52:12 GMT +0200 ASK Hello everyone, ASK with ClearType enabled on Windows XP, bold fonts are rendering wrong in ASK various dialogue boxes (e.g. folder properties, preferences, etc.). See ASK screenshot. Confirmed they are kind of fuzzy. ASK ...talking about screenshots, I'd appreciate it if there was a way to paste ASK screenshots not only into HTML messages, but into plain text messages (as ASK attachments). Do you mean as opposed to selecting an attachment from a list? -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) On Windows XP 5.1 Build #2600 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
Hello Curtis, A reminder of what Curtis typed on: Sunday, October 02, 2005 at 06:49:37 GMT -0500 C It's now running a full 24 hours uninterrupted and IMAP remains well C behaved. C mem usage 24 MB C Peak mem usage 28MB C VM usage 35MB Are you referring here to TB! or Mulberry? -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) On Windows XP 5.1 Build #2600 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bold font rendering in dialogboxes
Hello Stuart Cuddy everyone else, on 02-Okt-2005 at 14:28 you (Stuart Cuddy) wrote: ASK with ClearType enabled on Windows XP, bold fonts are rendering wrong ASK in various dialogue boxes (e.g. folder properties, preferences, ASK etc.). See screenshot. Confirmed they are kind of fuzzy. Something like too heavily cleartyped with the very visible red and green antialiasing artifacts. ASK ...talking about screenshots, I'd appreciate it if there was a way to ASK paste screenshots not only into HTML messages, but into plain text ASK messages (as attachments). Do you mean as opposed to selecting an attachment from a list? What I mean is... I find it a bit complicated to attach a screenshot to a message (maybe its only how I do it?): press alt-prtscrn, paste into Irfanview, markcut the essential portion of the picture, save as a file, attach this file to the message... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) The wireless music box has no imaginable commercial value. Who would pay for a message sent to nobody in particular? -- David Sarnoff's associates in response to his urgings for investment in the radio in the 1920s. Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Bold font rendering in dialogboxes
Hello Alexander, A reminder of what Alexander S. Kunz typed on: Sunday, October 02, 2005 at 14:42:43 GMT +0200 ASK What I mean is... I find it a bit complicated to attach a screenshot to a ASK message (maybe its only how I do it?): press alt-prtscrn, paste into ASK Irfanview, markcut the essential portion of the picture, save as a file, ASK attach this file to the message... I am currently using a free screenshot program called Gadwin Printscreen. It is very simple to use and is activated by pushing the printscreen button, select you area and it is saved to a file. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) On Windows XP 5.1 Build #2600 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bold font rendering in dialogboxes
Hello Alexander, Sunday, October 2, 2005, 12:52:12 PM, you wrote: ...talking about screenshots, I'd appreciate it if there was a way to paste screenshots not only into HTML messages, but into plain text messages (as attachments). You can put the screenshot on a server an post here a link to it... http://home.tiscali.ch/mynewsgroup/link.jpg -- Best regards, Martin TheBat! 3.61.09 Echo (Beta) Pro on Windows 98 4 10 A pgpF9WPbFQ2Cs.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
On 10/2/2005 at 7:30:10 AM [GMT -0500], Stuart Cuddy wrote: Are you referring here to TB! or Mulberry? TB! of course. :) -- -= Curtis =- The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) / http://specs.aimlink.name PGPKey: http://rsakey.aimlink.name ...The best way to win an argument is to be right. pgpCiwHjYHyWc.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
Hello Curtis, A reminder of what Curtis typed on: Sunday, October 02, 2005 at 08:25:56 GMT -0500 Are you referring here to TB! or Mulberry? C TB! of course. :) The problems I still have with IMAP are: 1) Filtering still only works on the first level. In other words if I have a filter that sets the color for TB beta as red and then sets it to green if it is to or from me it will temporarily set it to green and then set it back to red. 2) Every now and then when I select a message in an IMAP folder everything freezes and you can't do anything until it unfreezes. I have tried to select the CC to see what is happening, but it will not restore either. I guess I need to have the CC always on top to see what is happening. 3) The counts that show are odd and inconsistent. Sometimes the count will get marked as read after reading the last message and then get marked as unread and it takes a while to disappear. Sometimes counts seem to update for no reason and add different numbers that flash on the screen and then change back again. Otherwise it does seem to be much more stable. One other thing, I did try to use the non-local outbox for a while. It seemed to be working OK, but when I went to send some big attachments, 5 meg plus, everything really slowed down, with no progress shown etc. I assume the files are uploaded to the IMAP server and then sent to the recipient. This seems like a real waste of resources and is very slow. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) On Windows XP 5.1 Build #2600 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bold font rendering in dialogboxes
Hello Alexander, On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 14:42:43 +0200GMT Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK What I mean is... I find it a bit complicated to attach a screenshot to a ASK message (maybe its only how I do it?): press alt-prtscrn, paste into ASK Irfanview, markcut the essential portion of the picture, save as a file, ASK attach this file to the message... Why don't you use IrfanView's capture/screenshot option? You can use a hotkey or automatic timer and the screenshot will open directly. -- Regards, Feli The Bat! 3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Conmection Centre not closing in 61.09
Hello Batpeople, After installing 61.09 my connection center stopped closing. At one ISP, where it is supposed to delete downloaded messages, it downloads messages by hangs when indicating it is deleting the last messages. Manual abort or closing the connection centre results in the same messages being downloaded the next time. In other words, the messages aren't being deleted as indicated or because the full session wasn't completed. At a second ISP (G-Mail), where it not supposed to delete downloaded messaged, connection center hangs when indicating it is downloading the last message. Manual abort or closing the connection centre does not result in the same messages being downloaded the next time. Similar experience? -- Best regards, Richard Newman --- Using The Bat!3.61.09 Echo (Beta) under Windows XP5 Service Pack 2 Service Pack 2 on a Pentium 4 1.99 GHz Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Bold font rendering in dialogboxes
Hello Feli, ASK What I mean is... I find it a bit complicated to attach a screenshot to a ASK message (maybe its only how I do it?): press alt-prtscrn, paste into ASK Irfanview, markcut the essential portion of the picture, save as a file, ASK attach this file to the message... Why don't you use IrfanView's capture/screenshot option? You can use a hotkey or automatic timer and the screenshot will open directly. Is it only me, or you guys suggest complicated solutions... :) (Feli: to use the feature you suggest, IfranView must be run) Upload to web, etc... What Alexander meant is a useful idea: if the clipboard has a picture on it, (or a file), Crtl+V even in the message body would attach the clipboard object to the message. We should designate a directory, as the container where the object would be put from the clipboard, get a name (clp01.doc, clp01.jpg, etc.), and attach to the mail. Other than that... (We have to have a clp container directory, as those attached files should be able to be accessed later..) -- Vili The Bat 3.61.07 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Szervizcsomag 1 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
On Sunday, October 2, 2005, 8:45:02 AM, Stuart Cuddy wrote: 3) The counts that show are odd and inconsistent. Sometimes the count will get marked as read after reading the last message and then get marked as unread and it takes a while to disappear. Sometimes counts seem to update for no reason and add different numbers that flash on the screen and then change back again. this behavior is indeed annoying, but not a deal breaker. I haven't been using any filters locally since going IMAP so can't comment there. -- Dwight A. Corrin 928 S Broadway Wichita KS 67211 316.303.1411 fax 316.265.7568 dcorrin at fastmail.fm Using The Bat! 3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP version 5,1 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
On 10/2/2005 at 8:45:02 AM [GMT -0500], Stuart Cuddy wrote: The problems I still have with IMAP are: 1) Filtering still only works on the first level. In other words if I have a filter that sets the color for TB beta as red and then sets it to green if it is to or from me it will temporarily set it to green and then set it back to red. This problem is easily avoided by avoiding a double action as you do. For instance, for TBBETA: Filter one - Header contains 'reply-to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]' AND Header does not match 'in-reply-to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]' This prevents filtering of messages that are replies to yours so that they may be filtered by the next filter which does a match like: Filter two - Header contains 'reply-to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]' AND Header match 'in-reply-to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]' This will avoid the colour group being set by one filter and then reset by another. Only one colour group setting will be applied and it sticks. :) I wouldn't even class it as a work around since you still use two filters. Work arounds usually imply an approach that isn't smooth and even inconvenient. This is the same set and forget. I didn't even try it your way since I didn't see the point in having the filters setting colour groups back and forth if I could avoid it. I agree that the problem you have is based on buggy behaviour, but it's easily circumvented and hence a minor problem. RIT may also view it as such and hence may not fix it right away. 2) Every now and then when I select a message in an IMAP folder everything freezes and you can't do anything until it unfreezes. I have tried to select the CC to see what is happening, but it will not restore either. I guess I need to have the CC always on top to see what is happening. I haven't experienced this. 3) The counts that show are odd and inconsistent. Sometimes the count will get marked as read after reading the last message and then get marked as unread and it takes a while to disappear. Sometimes counts seem to update for no reason and add different numbers that flash on the screen and then change back again. I confirm this, but for me this is only cosmetic and considering from where I came with TB! IMAP, I don't mind it as such. Otherwise it does seem to be much more stable. One other thing, I did try to use the non-local outbox for a while. It seemed to be working OK, but when I went to send some big attachments, 5 meg plus, everything really slowed down, with no progress shown etc. I assume the files are uploaded to the IMAP server and then sent to the recipient. This seems like a real waste of resources and is very slow. Yes. A draft folder is better. Mulberry and other IMAP clients do not use a server side outbox. Messages queued for sending are stored locally. Saving as a draft is a separate command with a special server side folder designated for this. -- -= Curtis =- The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) / http://specs.aimlink.name PGPKey: http://rsakey.aimlink.name ...Nothing is impossible for anyone impervious to reason pgpasIK8hicu2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bold font rendering in dialogboxes
Hello Feli Wilcke everyone else, on 02-Okt-2005 at 15:55 you (Feli Wilcke) wrote: Why don't you use IrfanView's capture/screenshot option? You can use a hotkey or automatic timer and the screenshot will open directly. Thats not the point, the point is attaching the screenshot to a message. I have the screenshot in the clipboard, but I need to save the clipboard then attach the saved file to a message. I'd like to attach the clipboard directly to a message (just like I can paste it to an HTML message). -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) We can neither put back the clock nor slow down our forward speed, and as we are already flying pilotless, on instrument controls, it is even too late to ask where we are going. -- Igor Stravinsky Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bold font rendering in dialogboxes
Hello Vili everyone else, on 02-Okt-2005 at 16:21 you (Vili) wrote: What Alexander meant is a useful idea: if the clipboard has a picture on it, (or a file), Crtl+V even in the message body would attach the clipboard object to the message. Exactly. Thanks for explaining my thoughts. Where's my coffee... -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) It may sound ridiculous, but to date better quantitative evidence of self-recognization exists for chimpanzees than for man. -- Gordon Gallup Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Filter test
Hello tbbeta, Just a test. -- Best regards, Stuart mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) On Windows XP 5.1 Build #2600 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
Hello Curtis, A reminder of what Curtis typed on: Sunday, October 02, 2005 at 09:42:32 GMT -0500 C This problem is easily avoided by avoiding a double action as you do. C For instance, for TBBETA: C Filter one - Header contains 'reply-to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]' C AND Header does not match 'in-reply-to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]' C This prevents filtering of messages that are replies to yours so that C they may be filtered by the next filter which does a match like: C Filter two - Header contains 'reply-to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]' C AND Header match 'in-reply-to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]' C This will avoid the colour group being set by one filter and then reset C by another. Only one colour group setting will be applied and it sticks. OK, but this is where the strangeness begins. I had already set it up the way you suggest. For some reason the messages after being set to my color and then get reset to tbbeta color afterwards even though there is no filter that should do that. I decided to try a test message with the filters that set my color turned off. The message arrived and did not have its color changed by the tbbeta filter. Maybe I will try to reverse the order of my filters to see what that does. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) On Windows XP 5.1 Build #2600 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
On 10/2/2005 at 10:01:27 AM [GMT -0500], Stuart Cuddy wrote: OK, but this is where the strangeness begins. I had already set it up the way you suggest. For some reason the messages after being set to my color and then get reset to tbbeta color afterwards even though there is no filter that should do that. Hmmm. I don't colour label my other TB! messsages. I don't know if the fact that you have all the other messages colour labelled may be creating a problem. I don't know. However, your experiment with switching the filters around should be interesting. Make sure that you have 'continue processing with other filters' disabled. That definitively removes the possibility of other filters acting on the message. -- -= Curtis =- The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) / http://specs.aimlink.name PGPKey: http://rsakey.aimlink.name ...You have to be sharp to be on the cutting edge. pgp6slONyI59A.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
Hello Stuart, Sunday, October 2, 2005, 10:01:27 AM, you wrote: SC Maybe I will try to reverse the order of my filters to see what that SC does. Well I tried this and it still ends up with the tbbeta color. It does turn green for a while in between, but goes to red after a few seconds. If I look in the View log it says it is processed by my filter only and not the tbbeta filter at all. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
Hello Stuart, Sunday, October 2, 2005, 10:11:17 AM, you wrote: SC Well I tried this and it still ends up with the tbbeta color. It does SC turn green for a while in between, but goes to red after a few SC seconds. If I look in the View log it says it is processed by my SC filter only and not the tbbeta filter at all. Ok, now I manually marked a group of messages as NO Color Group. I then re-filtered with my color group being first and Continue processing turned off. It now seems to be sticking or at least I think it is. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Find messages problem
Hi list I click on the button Find messages - I insert in the first field text a string - I start the search with the button Start. But then I can't stop the search - to click the button Stop doesn't end the search... Only here? -- Best regards, Martin TheBat! 3.61.09 Echo (Beta) Pro on Windows 98 4 10 A pgpSX36v2O5pK.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Find messages problem
Hi Martin Schoch, Sunday, October 2, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : I click on the button Find messages - I insert in the first field text a string - I start the search with the button Start. But then I can't stop the search - to click the button Stop doesn't end the search... No, it's not only you. -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
I am back to trying TB's IMAP now that Mulberry is toast. Incidentally, shouldn't the business folks at Ritlabs recognize that there are a bunch of potential new customers in the market, given Mulberry's demise, and a BIG FIRM commitment to fast errorless IMAP by Ritlabs would be a good strategy to get those folks money? Following were the troubles I had in the first half hour using TB! I am using Fastmail's servers, I have two accounts with them, one for business and one for personal. I have fast connections and have folders set to FULL syncro. 1. The last time I tried TB, on Fastmail's server I had shared folder in one account so I would not have to log into both. Today, I could not get those folders removed from either (manage or read) list until I unsubscribed from each and everyone of them. This is despite the fact that the server was reporting the folders did not exist. 2. I have messages marked read in 0 seconds (instantly I guess). This does not work sometimes. The folder will be bold as if there is a new message, but none of them are new. I have to switch away from the folder and switch back. Not a deal breaker, but annoying. 3. I log into my work account from two machines. I have both machines set up to do a full synchronization so I do not have to wait to read mail. When I work on one machine, delete and read mail, then log out and switch back to the other machine and do a purge and compress, the folder shows up as broken. Again, not a deal breaker, but annoying. 4. The manage folders list is clumsy. I typically want to change a bunch of folder to the same settings. I have to do each one independently (perhaps there is a way to do this I am unaware of). It would be nice to be able to select a bunch of folder and apply the settings to all folders. 5. I installed new account, my work account, which has about 500MB of messages on the server. I set up the account to do full synchro. I was unable to read mail on this account for a while. The folders showed up as having messages, but clicking on them showed none. Now, perhaps this is nit picking, but making IMAP fast and stable is a higher priority to me than fancy new features. 6. NON-IMAP Thought, AS A LOW PRIORITY, it would be nice to be able to download and view images in messages which meet certain criteria or for which a button is pushed. Certainly, IMAP having no bugs and being fast and stable would be much better. 7. New messages arriving to an open folder to not thread, they show up at the bottom of the list, sometimes at least. If this is helpful, I will report more thoughts after more use. I would very much like everyone at Ritlabs to use nothing but IMAP for six months. This cannot hurt Ritlabs, excepting your productivity if your product has opportunities for improvement that you would then quickly recognize. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bold font rendering in dialogboxes
Hi Alexander S. Kunz, Sunday, October 2, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : Thats not the point, the point is attaching the screenshot to a message. I have the screenshot in the clipboard, but I need to save the clipboard then attach the saved file to a message. I'd like to attach the clipboard directly to a message (just like I can paste it to an HTML message). I got your point, I think even dragdrop (which works) isn't what you need. If you feel the need of creating a bat wish, one supporter stands here. -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
Hello John, A reminder of what John Thomas typed on: Sunday, October 02, 2005 at 09:35:28 GMT -0700 JT 1. The last time I tried TB, on Fastmail's server I had shared folder JT in one account so I would not have to log into both. Today, I could JT not get those folders removed from either (manage or read) list until JT I unsubscribed from each and everyone of them. This is despite the JT fact that the server was reporting the folders did not exist. Did you try Manage IMAP folders/Reset List JT 2. I have messages marked read in 0 seconds (instantly I guess). JT This does not work sometimes. The folder will be bold as if there is JT a new message, but none of them are new. I have to switch away from JT the folder and switch back. Not a deal breaker, but annoying. Yes, see mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] thread. JT 3. I log into my work account from two machines. I have both machines JT set up to do a full synchronization so I do not have to wait to read JT mail. When I work on one machine, delete and read mail, then log out JT and switch back to the other machine and do a purge and compress, the JT folder shows up as broken. Again, not a deal breaker, but annoying. Do not see this. JT 4. The manage folders list is clumsy. I typically want to change a JT bunch of folder to the same settings. I have to do each one JT independently (perhaps there is a way to do this I am unaware of). It JT would be nice to be able to select a bunch of folder and apply the JT settings to all folders. Yes and often you actually have to select the check box twice to get the check mark to appear. JT 5. I installed new account, my work account, which has about 500MB of JT messages on the server. I set up the account to do full synchro. I JT was unable to read mail on this account for a while. The folders JT showed up as having messages, but clicking on them showed none. Now, JT perhaps this is nit picking, but making IMAP fast and stable is a JT higher priority to me than fancy new features. I only Sync the folders that I use regularly so every message does not have to be synced, but it would be nice to set as you have. JT 6. NON-IMAP Thought, AS A LOW PRIORITY, it would be nice to be able to JT download and view images in messages which meet certain criteria or JT for which a button is pushed. Certainly, IMAP having no bugs and being JT fast and stable would be much better. There is a wish in the bugtrack you may want to support. JT 7. New messages arriving to an open folder to not thread, they show up JT at the bottom of the list, sometimes at least. Also reported on bugtrack. JT If this is helpful, I will report more thoughts after more use. JT I would very much like everyone at Ritlabs to use nothing but IMAP for JT six months. This cannot hurt Ritlabs, excepting your productivity if JT your product has opportunities for improvement that you would then JT quickly recognize. Couldn't hurt. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) On Windows XP 5.1 Build #2600 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
AV when opening attached mail since TB 3.61.09
Hello tbbeta, when i try to read an attached (.eml) using the tab 1.eml i get endless AV: First AV 7788F281 in ntdll.dll write 0x10 Second AV 00B5EE18 in thebat.exe read 0x20 Third AV 8B00BDFF read 8B00BDFF ... Maybe its only related to Win2k SP4, as the first AV shows ntdll.dll. Steps to reproduce: 1. Forward a mail as an attachement (alternate forwarding) 2. Send the mail to someone using the bat (yourself) 3. Read the mail and open the attachement using the tabs at the bottom of your editor. -- ciao Melanie Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
Hello Stuart, JT 1. The last time I tried TB, on Fastmail's server I had shared JT folder in one account so I would not have to log into both. JT Today, I could not get those folders removed from either (manage JT or read) list until I unsubscribed from each and everyone of JT them. This is despite the fact that the server was reporting the JT folders did not exist. Did you try Manage IMAP folders/Reset List Yes, this failed. There is a wish in the bugtrack you may want to support. Thank you for your thoughts on my message. I am sorry, but I do not want to take the time to do this. Ritlabs reads this board and they can put my thoughts in their database if they want. I am trying to be helpful and I do not think I am drawing a line inappropriately here, but I am open to other thoughts. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
On 10/2/2005 at 11:35:28 AM [GMT -0500], John Thomas wrote: Following were the troubles I had in the first half hour using TB! I am using Fastmail's servers, I have two accounts with them, one for business and one for personal. I have fast connections and have folders set to FULL syncro. I suggest setting the folders to not synchronise and have TB! periodically refresh folders via the IMAP account fine tune option. Full synchro is an option that bogs down the connection, even though it's fast. The thing is that if you have a fast connection then the wait time for messages to load is really small. So you don't really have to wait to read mail and even moreso you have much less problems with TB! lagging with folder flag updates because it's so busy doing full syncing on other folders. Mulberry doesn't offer full synching as an option, not unless you work in disconnect mode and do a full sync prior to disconnecting. Mulberry is hell on wheels even then. 1. The last time I tried TB, on Fastmail's server I had shared folder in one account so I would not have to log into both. Today, I could not get those folders removed from either (manage or read) list until I unsubscribed from each and everyone of them. This is despite the fact that the server was reporting the folders did not exist. I know of this. Hitting the 'reset' button in the IMAP folder management panel often solves this. 2. I have messages marked read in 0 seconds (instantly I guess). This does not work sometimes. The folder will be bold as if there is a new message, but none of them are new. I have to switch away from the folder and switch back. Not a deal breaker, but annoying. This happens rarely for me, but would be expected to happen more frequently if TB!'s connections are always busy doing full syncs everywhere. 3. I log into my work account from two machines. I have both machines set up to do a full synchronization so I do not have to wait to read mail. Try disabling syncing and see what the wait periods are like for messages to load. When I work on one machine, delete and read mail, then log out and switch back to the other machine and do a purge and compress, the folder shows up as broken. Again, not a deal breaker, but annoying. Keep an eye on the CC for the first machine. Don't logout until the queued tasks are completed. 4. The manage folders list is clumsy. I typically want to change a bunch of folder to the same settings. I have to do each one independently (perhaps there is a way to do this I am unaware of). It would be nice to be able to select a bunch of folder and apply the settings to all folders. Agreed. 5. I installed new account, my work account, which has about 500MB of messages on the server. I set up the account to do full synchro. I was unable to read mail on this account for a while. The folders showed up as having messages, but clicking on them showed none. Now, perhaps this is nit picking, but making IMAP fast and stable is a higher priority to me than fancy new features. Let's look at how Mulberry deals with this situation vs. TB!. When I open an account for the first time using Mulberry, Mulberry does a message count and basic flag check for each folder. So the list of subscribed folders appear with the number of read/unread messages in each. It stops there. I then open a folder in Mulberry and it loads just enough headers to fill the message list. I then select one, of the messages and it retrieves the body. It retrieves each message body as I select them. How does TB! do it for me? I open the account and like Mulberry, TB! loads the subscribed folders and then go through and displays the number of read/unread messages. It then goes ahead and does a basic header check for all messages in all folders. I then select a folder and TB! retrieves the entire header list for the folder. This will take longer than Mulberry of course, and will depend on the the number of messages in the folder. ThunderBird does the same thing, BTW. When TB! is finished, I then select a message and it retrieves the body. Nice and quickly. How does TB! do it for you? You open the account and TB! proceeds to synchronise 500MB worth of messages, thanks to your full sync option enabled for all folders. Sit back and relax, since that's going to take a long time. :) You're lucky if you get to load a single message. If you try something similar with Mulberry, you can't even edit a message since you're locked out of user input. So to sum it up, TB! has IMAP setup options that if inappropriately abused, leads to grief and problems. Full synching allows reading of messages even though you may have suddenly lost your connection or if you plan to continue reading when you're offline. However, if you choose to have it enabled for all folders and at all times, especially if your folders are large, be prepared for waiting and a lot of lags between commands and their being carried out on
Re: AV when opening attached mail since TB 3.61.09
Hi Melanie, Sunday, October 2, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : when i try to read an attached (.eml) using the tab 1.eml i get endless AV: Fully confirmed. I thought here was all ok, but closing the window showed up all your endless AV windows. This is the first AV I got with Echo 9. -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: AV when opening attached mail since TB 3.61.09
Hi Melanie, on Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:57:33 +0200GMT, you wrote: M when i try to read an attached (.eml) using the tab 1.eml i get M endless AV: M First AV 7788F281 in ntdll.dll write 0x10 M Second AV 00B5EE18 in thebat.exe read 0x20 M Third AV 8B00BDFF read 8B00BDFF M ... M Maybe its only related to Win2k SP4, as the first AV shows ntdll.dll. M Steps to reproduce: M 1. Forward a mail as an attachement (alternate forwarding) M 2. Send the mail to someone using the bat (yourself) M 3. Read the mail and open the attachement using the tabs at the bottom M of your editor. I did all that, but I don't get an AV. I can open the EML attachment via tab or icon without a problem. Even closing it doesn't do any harm. -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo :beta: on Win2K, SP4, 5, 0, build 2195 plenty of POP accounts, no IMAP, OTFE enabled Dell Latitude C600 P3 at 1002 MHz, 512 MB RAM Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: AV when opening attached mail since TB 3.61.09
Hi Charlene Ferrara, Sunday, October 2, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : when i try to read an attached (.eml) using the tab 1.eml i get endless AV: Fully confirmed. I thought here was all ok, but closing the window showed up all your endless AV windows. This is the first AV I got with Echo 9. As many AVs before, I got this one only once. Reading the same forwarded E-mail again now causes no AV anymore. It was a one-time bug -I guess and hope. -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Bold font rendering in dialogboxes
10/2/2005 1:34 PM Hi Alexander, On 10/2/2005 Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK What I mean is... I find it a bit complicated to attach a screenshot to a ASK message (maybe its only how I do it?): press alt-prtscrn, paste into ASK Irfanview, markcut the essential portion of the picture, save as a file, ASK attach this file to the message... You can eliminate one step by using the Capture feature of Irfanview. Just press [C] and the dialog will appear. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bold font rendering in dialogboxes
Hello Charlene Ferrara everyone else, on 02-Okt-2005 at 18:35 you (Charlene Ferrara) wrote: I got your point, I think even dragdrop (which works) isn't what you need. If you feel the need of creating a bat wish, one supporter stands here. After thinking about it... IIRC the format for graphics in the clipboard is .BMP (windows bitmap, standard). Thats not very useful for attaching graphics to an email message. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Death... the only thing we haven't succeeded in completely vulgarizing. (Aldous Huxley, 1894-1963, British author) Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
Hi Curtis, Am Sunday, October 2, 2005, 4:02:19 AM, schriebst du: I've been running v3.61.09 beta all day without interruption. Things have been quite fine. No hiccups at all really. The main good point is that I haven't had to restart because the connection has flaked out on me. Connection doesn't run out - confirmed. But other issues like hanging tasks and not working filters remain. Michael -- Nbg, 02.10.2005, 19:57 TheBat! 3.61.09 Echo (Beta) - Windows XP (Service Pack 2 Build 2600) Wer glaubt, ueber der Situation zu stehen, steht in Wirklichkeit nur daneben. (Friedl Beutelrock) PGP oder S/MIME-Verschlüsselung erwünscht! pgppqcu7Y3yoA.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Bold font rendering in dialogboxes
Guten Tag Alexander, am Sonntag, 2. Oktober 2005 um 19:52 schriebst du: After thinking about it... IIRC the format for graphics in the clipboard is .BMP (windows bitmap, standard). Thats not very useful for attaching graphics to an email message. ...those poor souls would feel punished, and send you their moans as uncompressed wav-file as penalty... -- Viele Grüße Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
Hello Curtis, 1. The last time I tried TB, on Fastmail's server I had shared folder in one account so I would not have to log into both. Today, I could not get those folders removed from either (manage or read) list until I unsubscribed from each and everyone of them. This is despite the fact that the server was reporting the folders did not exist. I know of this. Hitting the 'reset' button in the IMAP folder management panel often solves this. It did not work for me this time. This folder management panel is probably something new users struggle with. Is that any way to treat new users? 2. I have messages marked read in 0 seconds (instantly I guess). This does not work sometimes. The folder will be bold as if there is a new message, but none of them are new. I have to switch away from the folder and switch back. Not a deal breaker, but annoying. This happens rarely for me, but would be expected to happen more frequently if TB!'s connections are always busy doing full syncs everywhere. You are probably right, but doing full syncs is a feature, so you will have to admit it is broken and needs fixing, no? 3. I log into my work account from two machines. I have both machines set up to do a full synchronization so I do not have to wait to read mail. Try disabling syncing and see what the wait periods are like for messages to load. This would work, but I am in the commercial real estate business and people frequently e-mail me 5MB+ files with information on various deals. Downloading a 5MB+ file is slow on my fastest connections. I will likely use your suggestion as a work around, but it is a bug and a bad one if you ask me. When I work on one machine, delete and read mail, then log out and switch back to the other machine and do a purge and compress, the folder shows up as broken. Again, not a deal breaker, but annoying. Keep an eye on the CC for the first machine. Don't logout until the queued tasks are completed. Yikes, I hope you are wrong here, I have enought stuff to worry about. Another possible problem is the full sync create a database locally that is changed on the server (e.g. some message exist locally that were deleted off the server with the other machine) and that difference is interpreted as broken so TB! fixes it. 5. I installed new account, my work account, which has about 500MB of messages on the server. I set up the account to do full synchro. I was unable to read mail on this account for a while. The folders showed up as having messages, but clicking on them showed none. Now, perhaps this is nit picking, but making IMAP fast and stable is a higher priority to me than fancy new features. snip So to sum it up, TB! has IMAP setup options that if inappropriately abused, leads to grief and problems. I would like to disagree here. I think the full sync needs fixing, not elimination. I believe the brains at Ritlabs could make it work well if they wanted to. Thank you for your time on this discussion. I hope Ritlabs recognizes the opportunity of fixing IMAP. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: AV when opening attached mail since TB 3.61.09
Hello Peter, am Sonntag, 2. Oktober 2005 um 19:07 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: PM on Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:57:33 +0200GMT, you wrote: M when i try to read an attached (.eml) using the tab 1.eml i get M endless AV: PM I did all that, but I don't get an AV. I can open the EML attachment PM via tab or icon without a problem. Even closing it doesn't do any PM harm. Strange. I can reproduce this AV every time. The AV appears only, if i open the .eml message inline using the tabs. Opening via icon works well. Something must habe changed, as this AV only occurs since 3.61.09. With 3.61.07 i have no such problems. -- ciao Melanie Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
In reply to mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : DAC On Sunday, October 2, 2005, 8:45:02 AM, Stuart Cuddy wrote: 3) The counts that show are odd and inconsistent. Sometimes the [..] Shouldn't we be talking about the latest beta? -- Best regards, Goncalo Farias The eyes of wolves are flowers fertilized in evil brains. Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: IMAP hanging 3.61.05
Hello Goncalo, Sunday, October 2, 2005, 1:41:27 PM, you wrote: GF Shouldn't we be talking about the latest beta? Actually I am. I'm not sure how we changed the subject. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
On 10/2/2005 at 1:19:01 PM [GMT -0500], John Thomas wrote: This happens rarely for me, but would be expected to happen more frequently if TB!'s connections are always busy doing full syncs everywhere. You are probably right, but doing full syncs is a feature, so you will have to admit it is broken and needs fixing, no? No. It will not work well the way you're using it. I now see why Mulberry never really offered such functionality as a default setting. Mulberry offers something similar, i.e., the option to download the first x number of headers before prompting. This is for when using threaded or other special sorting views with an IMAP server that doesn't thread server side. I made the mistake you made when using Mulberry with MDaemon. I insisted on Mulberry getting all the headers so I could thread messages without hassle. As a result, I thought Mulberry was major crap as it would lock me out while it busily retrieved the TBBETA message list. Now, you're asking TB! not only to get the headers, but the message bodies as well without bogging down the connection? I wish you luck waiting for them to optimize such a setup and making it work better. In fact, they've already given their advice for that problem and it eclipses mine, i.e., do not full sync all folders since it will bog down the connection. Save the full sync setting for only those special folders you'll need to browse while off-line. It's a useful option for a dial-up user or someone who pays for broadband by the minute or someone who expects to be working with the folder while disconnected. This would work, but I am in the commercial real estate business and people frequently e-mail me 5MB+ files with information on various deals. Downloading a 5MB+ file is slow on my fastest connections. I will likely use your suggestion as a work around, but it is a bug and a bad one if you ask me. Indeed. If you're reluctant to not sync, then use an option like syncing only message bodies. This will prevent the retrieval of those large attachments while trying to do other things with your bandwidth. Yikes, I hope you are wrong here, I have enought stuff to worry about. Another possible problem is the full sync create a database locally that is changed on the server (e.g. some message exist locally that were deleted off the server with the other machine) and that difference is interpreted as broken so TB! fixes it. Here. If I delete messages at another location and then run TB! here, it simply updates the message list, removing the deleted messages. So to sum it up, TB! has IMAP setup options that if inappropriately abused, leads to grief and problems. I would like to disagree here. I think the full sync needs fixing, not elimination. I believe the brains at Ritlabs could make it work well if they wanted to. Perhaps. But it makes me wonder why other clients fail to. They don't even offer the option, and then we wonder why they work better. The usual comment is that they just work. Well, TB! will get very close to 'just working' if you make it work like other clients do. Don't bog down the connection with huge requests from it like sync'ing all folders and then complain when nothing is happening. It can be so much better. A good IMAP experience involves relinquishing some of what we're accustomed to with POP. It relies on being connected to the server to work best. Mulberry offered a disconnect mode, but you'd have to manually sync folders prior to disconnecting. Sync'ing everything, is not unlike opening your browser, and giving it 500 web pages to load. You select one of the pages and are now wondering why it's taking so long to load. You then blame bugginess on why the page you want to see is taking long to load. Thank you for your time on this discussion. I hope Ritlabs recognizes the opportunity of fixing IMAP. There's fixing to do. If other users had IMAP working as well as I have it now, they'd be very happy. I'm not putting up with crap here. It's working well. It's just for it to be reliably reproducible. One thing is for sure, is that if I try your methods, I'd be in misery. :) -- -= Curtis =- The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) / http://specs.aimlink.name PGPKey: http://rsakey.aimlink.name ...The best way to win an argument is to be right. pgpJdFhDeHq5Q.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Find messages problem
Hello Martin, am Sonntag, 2. Oktober 2005 um 18:09 schrieb [EMAIL PROTECTED]: MS I click on the button Find messages - I insert in the first field MS text a string - I start the search with the button Start. MS But then I can't stop the search - to click the button Stop doesn't MS end the search... confirmed. -- ciao Melanie Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: AV when opening attached mail since TB 3.61.09
Hi Melanie, on Sun, 2 Oct 2005 20:41:44 +0200GMT, you wrote: M when i try to read an attached (.eml) using the tab 1.eml i get M endless AV: PM I did all that, but I don't get an AV. I can open the EML attachment PM via tab or icon without a problem. Even closing it doesn't do any PM harm. M Strange. I can reproduce this AV every time. M The AV appears only, if i open the .eml message inline using the tabs. M Opening via icon works well. Here both approaches work alright. Does it happen with *any* mail? Or just with a particular one? M Something must habe changed, as this AV only occurs since 3.61.09. With M 3.61.07 i have no such problems. 3.61.09 here. hmm Do you use On-the-fly-encryption? (I do.) IMAP? (I don't.) -- Cheers Peter The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo :beta: on Win2K, SP4, 5, 0, build 2195 plenty of POP accounts, no IMAP, OTFE enabled Dell Latitude C600 P3 at 1002 MHz, 512 MB RAM Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
Hello Curtis, There's fixing to do. If other users had IMAP working as well as I have it now, they'd be very happy. I'm not putting up with crap here. It's working well. It's just for it to be reliably reproducible. One thing is for sure, is that if I try your methods, I'd be in misery. :) Thank you for your thoughts. I hope your conclusion (conclusion: it is basically impossible to make a client that can adequately handle full syncro) is wrong and I hereby issue a challenge to Ritlabs to prove you wrong ;) . What syncro option do you use, that is what is the most complete, but still working, syncro choice? Further, what other synco options work. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
On 10/2/2005 at 3:12:05 PM [GMT -0500], John Thomas wrote: Thank you for your thoughts. I hope your conclusion (conclusion: it is basically impossible to make a client that can adequately handle full syncro) is wrong and I hereby issue a challenge to Ritlabs to prove you wrong ;) . I'd not be surprised if they did, though it's been 2 yrs since. What could possibly make things better is if that option to reserve a connection for retrieving message bodies really worked. What syncro option do you use, that is what is the most complete, but still working, syncro choice? Further, what other synco options work. I have all folders set to not synchronise. I have the IMAP fine tune options: refresh folders every 2 minutes. In the account properties I also have under 'Mail Management' all the options for 'Automatically connect to Server' checked. I use a server side sent folder and trash. The outbox is local. -- -= Curtis =- The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) / http://specs.aimlink.name PGPKey: http://rsakey.aimlink.name ...You're not paranoid if everybody is really after you. pgpxlplR7U2cL.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
Hello Curtis, A reminder of what Curtis typed on: Sunday, October 02, 2005 at 16:15:19 GMT -0500 C I have all folders set to not synchronise. C I have the IMAP fine tune options: refresh folders every 2 minutes. This is what confuses me. What is the difference between refresh folders and synchronize. What is actually happening. And what do you have under Options/Mail Checking/Synchronize Folders Every X Minutes. C In the account properties I also have under 'Mail Management' all the C options for 'Automatically connect to Server' checked. Here also, once the IMAP connection is made, it never lets it go for any reason, unless you have Disconnect after x set, and that does not appear to be working properly, or at least it wasn't. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) On Windows XP 5.1 Build #2600 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
I agree that ALL syncro options should be disabled since they do not work. It is better to not have a feature than have one that does not work, no? Thunderbird seems to have the Syncro stuff working much better than all other clients. They are open source, can't Ritlabs just copy and paste the code? I set all my settings to your suggestions, then did a restart, then did a folder maintenance with all options on all folders. This fixed 34 folders. I then found my local TBat mail folders were 7.2GB, yes Gigabytes. I deleted all the BIN, TBI, and TBB files (Ritlabs, this is a bug, I should not have to do this, please fix this) and now everything seems reasonable. You were also correct about speed. Even though the message are not local, things are surprisingly fast. I have one more question for you. The outbox is local. By this do you mean you have NO check next to Outbox? This is another bug. How the F*^ is a new user supposed to know to do that. I recommend against The Bat! as an IMAP client for new users until Ritlabs gets it working better. I best stop. I am frustrated now wishing an IMAP client existed that is, possibly, not able to be made. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
domingo, 2 oct 2005 at 23:22, it seems you wrote:
Thunderbird seems to have the Syncro stuff working much better than
all other clients. They are open source, can't Ritlabs just copy and
paste the code?
No. If Ritlabs do that The Bat! should be released as GPL also.
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Re: Find messages problem
Hello Martin, On Sun, 2 Oct 2005 18:09:57 +0200GMT Martin Schoch wrote: MS I click on the button Find messages - I insert in the first field MS text a string - I start the search with the button Start. MS But then I can't stop the search - to click the button Stop doesn't MS end the search... not confirmed -- Regards, Feli The Bat! 3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Find messages problem
Hello Martin Schoch everyone else, on 02-Okt-2005 at 18:09 you (Martin Schoch) wrote: I click on the button Find messages - I insert in the first field text a string - I start the search with the button Start. But then I can't stop the search - to click the button Stop doesn't end the search... The search stops with a delay of about 1 sec after clicking on stop here. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) Deliplayer2 is playing: You Make Me Cool (3:11) by The Seatbelts from the album 'No Disc (Cowboy Bebop TV series OST #2)' Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
On 10/2/2005 at 4:22:29 PM [GMT -0500], John Thomas wrote: I agree that ALL syncro options should be disabled since they do not work. It is better to not have a feature than have one that does not work, no? Yes. I agree. On the one hand it can be so easy to mess up IMAP performance when that flexibility is there. However, there are those who wish for that flexibility and may well use it to their advantage. Thunderbird seems to have the Syncro stuff working much better than all other clients. They are open source, can't Ritlabs just copy and paste the code? Funnily, I started using TB! IMAP the way you currently used it. I had the problems you did. I switched to ThunderBird in frustration and watched how it did things. I wondered if I could make things work in a similar way in TB!... and here I am after discovering that my current settings closely mimics the way ThunderBird works. :) No wonder TB! works much better this way. I set all my settings to your suggestions, then did a restart, then did a folder maintenance with all options on all folders. This fixed 34 folders. I then found my local TBat mail folders were 7.2GB, yes Gigabytes. I deleted all the BIN, TBI, and TBB files (Ritlabs, this is a bug, I should not have to do this, please fix this) and now everything seems reasonable. .. as they will likely continue to be. ThunderBird has one ability over TB!. I've noted that on selecting a folder for browsing, ThunderBird will go ahead and retrieve other new message bodies as you read. It will not necessarily wait for you to select a message. However, your requests for message bodies takes a clear priority over the bodies that it's retrieving for you in the background. TB!'s option to save a connection for retrieving requested message bodies ... if that worked well, we'd be a lot better off for it. You were also correct about speed. Even though the message are not local, things are surprisingly fast. There you go. I have one more question for you. The outbox is local. By this do you mean you have NO check next to Outbox? This is another bug. How the F*^ is a new user supposed to know to do that. :) I understand the frustration. I wonder the same thing myself. One of my current frustrations with IMAP has nothing to do with how well I have it working, but how easy it is to happen upon ways of making it work badly. This needs to be sorted out. The user shouldn't easily be able to de-tune IMAP so that it works badly. -- -= Curtis =- The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) / http://specs.aimlink.name PGPKey: http://rsakey.aimlink.name ...Nothing is as inevitable as a mistake whose time has come pgpbANRqcvZG4.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
What are your settings for Account Properties Options Mailbox Checking -- Synchronize on Startup -- Synchronize Every Theoretically, it should not matter giving I am not synchronizing anything now, but I thought I'd ask. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
Hi John Thomas - On Sun, 2 Oct 2005, at 09:35:28 [GMT -0700] (which was 9:35 AM where I live) you wrote: I am back to trying TB's IMAP now that Mulberry is toast. Incidentally, shouldn't the business folks at Ritlabs recognize that there are a bunch of potential new customers in the market, given Mulberry's demise, and a BIG FIRM commitment to fast errorless IMAP by Ritlabs would be a good strategy to get those folks money? Most of your post has been responded to. I think there are few things to keep in mind. 1. Mulberry isn't toast. At least, not yet. It is still a very robust IMAP client. Until such time that new functionality (e.g. security) renders it useless, it will continued to be utilized by many, including myself. 2. Unlike Mulberry that was built from the ground-up with IMAP in mind, TB added IMAP functionality to what basically was and has been a POP client. Consequently, the IMAP functionality of TB has always been less than robust (I am trying to be nice), IMO. Whether this continues, remains to be seen although I have been waiting for over 2 years for a reliable and speedy client from them. Right now, what you see is what you get. Your (and everyone else's) mileage may vary. -- Best Regards, Kevin PGP Keys: idap://keyserver.pgp.com idap://europe.keys.pgp.com:11370 Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 pgpo9DDsBN5Hr.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
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Hello all, in maintenance center while a backup process is running, I see only the sizes of various drives in GB and an orphaned percentage sign behind it in parentheses without a value attached to it. Somewhere else? -- Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.61.09 Echo unable to create backup file
Hi Charlene Ferrara, Sunday, October 2, 2005 you let us know -at least in parts- : during backup process I always get the error message saying there is no HD available (it is NOT saying we're out of disk space, I still have 55 GB left) Ignoring this window several times leads to a possibly unusable backup file. Unticking the first checkbox in the account list (common folders) made the whole backup run smoothly. I could create a backup and restore it flawless. The memory usage was enormous, but after 15 minutes it was done. -- kind regards Charlene Ferrara mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Skype: charleneferrara Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
On 10/2/2005 at 5:29:18 PM [GMT -0500], John Thomas wrote: Theoretically, it should not matter giving I am not synchronizing anything now, but I thought I'd ask. I have them both disabled since I don't synchronise any folders. If you had any of your folders set to synchronise with the server in some way, then you'd need to have these options enabled. -- -= Curtis =- The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) / http://specs.aimlink.name PGPKey: http://rsakey.aimlink.name ...I'm no stranger, just a friend you haven't met... pgpB2iJvhA4dh.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
I would like to go on record as saying that IMAP is much better with your settings, but still needs work. For example, I am having a terrible time trying to copy a folder with 7000 messages to a local folder. Now I know 7000 is a bundle of messages, but shouldn't it just work. There are other issues too. The only way I think TB is going to get good IMAP is if all of the developers are forced to work 100% on IMAP. I would be curious to know how many are now. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
On 10/2/2005 at 7:45:31 PM [GMT -0500], John Thomas wrote: I would like to go on record as saying that IMAP is much better with your settings, but still needs work. For example, I am having a terrible time trying to copy a folder with 7000 messages to a local folder. Now I know 7000 is a bundle of messages, but shouldn't it just work. There are other issues too. Old and horrid bug. It really aught to just work, yes. The only way to do that is to export the messages to a UNIX file and then import to the local folder. A simple copy/move operation will hang. I don't know why, but it does. -- -= Curtis =- The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) / http://specs.aimlink.name PGPKey: http://rsakey.aimlink.name ...Iraqi Bingo B-52..F-16..A-10.. F-18..F-117..B-2 pgpr1QnMCaptO.pgp Description: PGP signature Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
10/2/2005 9:12 PM Hi John, On 10/2/2005 John Thomas wrote: JT The only way I think TB is going to get good IMAP is if all of the JT developers are forced to work 100% on IMAP. I would be curious to JT know how many are now. I do not think you have the privilege to even make such a request. Seems extremely arrogant to me. Suppose I say to you quit using IMAP because you will never be satisfied. You should be using POP only. Now, what do you think of me? -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
JT The only way I think TB is going to get good IMAP is if all of the JT developers are forced to work 100% on IMAP. I would be curious to JT know how many are now. I do not think you have the privilege to even make such a request. Seems extremely arrogant to me. I am not sure why. Suppose I say to you quit using IMAP because you will never be satisfied. You should be using POP only. Now, what do you think of me? I am not sure this is the same, but thank you for the opportunity of making my case further. POP I think works great. IMAP I think works poorly. My thought was if the developers used only IMAP they could have more experiences that IMAP users have. If they only use POP, they will not have those experiences. -- Best regards, John Thomas Using The Bat! v3.61.09 Echo (Beta) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Find messages problem
On 10/2/05, Martin Schoch wrote: But then I can't stop the search - to click the button Stop doesn't end the search... With OTFE, the search has never worked for me. Not only the Stop button does not stop, but the search never finishes. Hence, confirmed and reconfirmed... to the point that this basic feature is the only thing that I am interested to test. Until the search engine works correctly in OTFE - not just for some lucky people or even for most ordinary people, but for all users - OTFE is just a broken promise of 3.x. -- jaywalker Windows XP Pro SP2 and The Bat! Pro (No OTFE) 3.60.07 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: IMAP Bugs Sales Opportunity
The only way I think TB is going to get good IMAP is if all of the developers are forced to work 100% on IMAP. I would be curious to know how many are now. It's interesting (frustrating's a better word perhaps) that after Ritlabs promised to focus on making IMAP work a release or two back NONE of the recent betas or full releases has even mentioned IMAP. Instead, we're treated to coloured tab thingies and other stuff which is peripheral to the core programme. My guess is that they don't have the knowledge or resources to resolve the outstanding issues. I use Mulberry as my main mailer and, unless IMAP standards change over the next year or two, I'll continue to use it but it would be tremendous if Ritlabs managed to get hold of the code and produce a TB IMAP version. Unless that happens, I fear that TB will continue to frustrate in this area. -- Regards, Clive Taylor TheBat!:3.60.01 Windows XP: Service Pack 2 Current beta is 3.61.09 (Echo) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
