Re: Mod: Top posting AND sig delimiter (was: test gmail retr)
Received From: Leif Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Paul, Tuesday, November 16, 2004, 7:43:31 PM, you wrote: P Thanks for fixing my ignorance! I never knew TLS and SSL were P synonymous! You've now been moderated by all three moderators for the same issues. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Paul. ' This posting violated the list rules regarding top posting. Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your message and following it with all quoted text below, is not encouraged and we actually request that you not do so on this list because a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the top of the message and B) It encourages excessive quoting. We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to, and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each part separately and follow each part with your response. Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group when you post using a style that is comfortable for them to read and understand. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. ... and ... Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added to your signature by the list server. I am ready to receive something of substance. I never cease to be amazed at how much effort is given to the insignificant. -- Current beta is 3.0.2.7 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Mod: Top posting AND sig delimiter
Received From: Peter Fjelsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul, On 17-11-2004 17:20, you [PVN] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: PVN I am ready to receive something of substance. I never cease to be PVN amazed at how much effort is given to the insignificant. With this attitude I doubt anyone will give you something of substance. The list rules are not insignificant. -- I did not realize it takes 15 swats with a sledge hammer by several people to pound a single carpet tack. Why wasn't there a welcoming message explaining the rules? I did not state that the rules are insignificant. I do believe more than a dozen messages are huge overkill. My [Delete] key works well. What I don't appreciate is sifting the info for something of value past the first message. I am very busy. I am self-employed so I don't have deep pockets available to pay me for lost time. -- Current beta is 3.0.2.7 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Mod: Top posting AND sig delimiter
Received From: Peter Fjelsten [EMAIL PROTECTED] Paul, Please do no include your reply after a (-- ) + new line. This way it is automatically removed on reply. The (-- ) is a signature delimiter. Try to reply to your own message (in TB!) to see what happens. On 17-11-2004 18:20, you [PVN] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: PVN I did not realize it takes 15 swats with a sledge hammer by several PVN people to pound a single carpet tack. Because you made several errors that needed pointing out. Also, someone might not be aware that the roles have been broken. This is the reason for the several moderator messages. PVN Why wasn't there a welcoming message explaining the rules? You didn't? OK, this sounds like a mistake. You should have. The moderators can send you the list rules I am sure. PVN What I don't appreciate is sifting the info for something of value PVN past the first message. I don't understand what you mean by this? PVN I am very busy. I am self-employed so I don't have deep pockets PVN available to pay me for lost time. It is always voluntary participating here... :) 11/17/04 1:32 PM Hi Peter, I don't understand what you mean by this? It is necessary for me to read all the redundant messages to be certain something is new or different. Several messages had identical boilerplate text. It is always voluntary participating here... :) Understood. I joined to learn something after using TB! since 1998 knowing there is always something to learn. However, if the tone is to repeat, repeat, repeat the same information or make cute remarks I may need to unsubscribe and spend time someplace more informative. Take Care, Paul -- Current beta is 3.0.2.7 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Lots of gmail traffic around
Received From: Avi Yashar [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, 18 Nov 2004 16:15:50 +0100, Dierk Haasis wrote: SMTP and POP3 - making it easy to send and receive Gmail via TB - there was bound to be some discussion about configuration and the like. As I said, Gmail is hot - not necessarily good - but definitely hot. Another example of oh wow taking control of reason. It's a good way to insure job security for those who take responsible Internet usage seriously. -- Paul Current beta is 3.0.2.7 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: test gmail retr
11/19/04 6:56 AM Received From: Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Avi, A reminder of what Avi Yashar on TBBETA typed on: 19 November 2004 at 12:24:45 GMT +0200 So I am also not a happy camper on this point Then do as I have done and write directly to Gmail Team [EMAIL PROTECTED] Read what I said on TBOT and backup what I said adding your own arguments as well. So it is essential that TB support Gmail and do it smoothly. I believe it should be the other way round, gmail should support all mail clients, not just the rubbish ones. --Original Message Above--- Right on, Tony, right on! I use mostly European authored software as it is much better coded and is alot more compatible. Even though I am an American I get very tired of Microsoft, Intuit and many others who believe the world should bow down at their doorstep instead of serving the world. I am an original beta tester for QuickBooks and know Scott Cook on a first name basis. He was successful by serving others with a passion. Now Intuit is self-serving and obnoxious. Nothing like money and success to ruin something good. -- Paul Current beta is 3.0.2.7 Rush | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Update on the Status of Software
1/20/2005 9:41 PM Hi Goncalo, Gesh! Huge task.. don't know how you can manage that just by yourself. You're being demagog. No big deal with that. I already justify all the text and that really ONLY affects people that actually reply to the message. I believe this list existed before you joined it. Since that is the case you have two choices: Accept the rules of the list or leave the list. Your disrespectful comments are becoming overbearing and totally out of place. -- Paul Van Noord TB beta 3.0.2.10 on Win2k Pro 5.00.2195 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[5]: Update on the Status of Software
1/21/2005 5:17 AM Hi Goncalo, Maybe I lost my sensibility. Maybe. Attitude is very important...no, attitude is everything! Your carping and sniping is clogging up the positive communication. Please restrict your correspondence to issues regarding The Bat! beta. I, for one, will appreciate it immensely. -- Paul Van Noord TB beta 3.0.2.10 on Win2k Pro 5.00.2195 Weakness of attitude becomes weakness of character. - Albert Einstein Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Bug in Quote Name Limit?
1/22/2005 11:27 AM Was it always like this? Shouldn't you be using the latest beta 3.0.2.10? -- Paul Van Noord TB beta 3.0.2.10 on Win2k 5.00.2195 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: Bug in Quote Name Limit?
1/22/2005 6:18 PM Perhaps Ritlabs also missed the thread about the 3.0.2.10 release. I got mine at: http://www.softpedia.com/get/Others/Signatures-Updates/The-Bat.shtml -- Paul Van Noord TB beta 3.0.2.10 on Win2k 5.00.2195 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: Bug in Quote Name Limit?
1/22/2005 6:21 PM I fail to see why you raised this point without even making an attempt to confirm or contradict my experience in 3.0.2.8. It is inappropriate to report problems on anything other than the latest release - for obvious reasons. So, how did you find the current beta? -- Paul Van Noord TB beta 3.0.2.10 on Win2k 5.00.2195 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[6]: Bug in Quote Name Limit?
1/22/2005 8:28 PM So, pardon me, but I think it would have been more constructive if you had just confirmed or denied my bug report for 3.0.2.10 on your operating system (which is different from mine). You are always entitled to your opinion, and...so am I. I disagree with you on your assessment because you not only didn't try the latest beta, you also were not aware of its existence even though it is a month old and has been appearing in the signatures of most of the messages in this forum. -- Paul Van Noord Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[8]: Bug in Quote Name Limit?
1/23/2005 5:05 AM You seem to be only interested in attacking me personally... Avi, I pointed out an inappropriate action by asking a question: Shouldn't you be using the latest beta? How this can be interpreted as a personal attack is more than I can comprehend. It is finished. -- Paul Van Noord Intellectuals solve problems; geniuses prevent them. The important thing is not to stop questioning. -- Albert Einstein Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Bug in Quote Name Limit?
1/23/2005 5:55 AM AY Anyway, it seems that there are other symbols besides apostrophes AY that gum up the Quote Name Limit feature. I now find problems with AY names that include a strudel (@) or a hyphen/dash (-). AY Was it always like this? Not confirmed here. -- Paul Van Noord TB beta 3.0.2.10 on Win2k Pro 5.00.2195 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?
On 2/13/2005 Allie Martin wrote: AM Guys ... I'm sorry, but as a veteran member, I can't sing along with AM that chorus and feel sympathy for Avi who has experienced and AM injustice here. 2/13/2005 2:37 PM Hi Allie, Ever since I joined this forum a few months ago, two individuals have consistently demonstrated unpleasant attitudes. Avi seems to not pay attention to what takes place on this forum. As registered users of TB we are entitled to bug fixes. However, it is the developers who have the choices of when and how. All of us are free to begin using another email client. I, too, become displeased with the bugs in TB from time to time. I constantly test email clients and can truly call TB the best overall, as it has been since v.1 in 1998. Avi's unwillingness to observe and digest the threads on this forum is an injustice to every other member. Membership brings responsibilities and it is unfair to all members to have some who are unwilling to bear those responsibilities. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?
On 2/13/2005 Avi Yashar wrote: AYjust to see if a new beta had been AY released for me to test). 2/13/2005 2:49 PM Hi Avi, Based on recent information this topic should at least rest until the afternoon of February 29! Agreed? -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: the next beta ? when ?
On 2/13/2005 Maxim Masiutin wrote: MM It's better to underpromise and overperform than to overpromise and underperform. 2/13/2005 3:03 PM Hi Maxim, Amen! I totally agree! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: the next beta ? when ?
On 2/15/2005 Avi Yashar wrote: AY And my point was only that you asked a general question that you could AY have answered for yourself if you only looked at some of the earlier AY correspondence on this thread - a quite substantial amount. Too bad you do not apply this principle to your own actions. AY Anyway, I AY think I stated quite clearly that what I was writing was in good AY humor I do not want to see what you define as bad humor. AY I guess we could all share the responsibility for that mistake - even AY you who also posted your offer to help on this same thread - with no AY attempt to change the title in context. He was following your example, didn't know it was a bad one until you told him. AY Well, at least I get your best regards. Now I feel a lot better. :-) Who difference does this make? http://thesaurus.reference.com/search?q=obnoxious -- Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.2.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Icons (was: Re[2]: 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha is now available)
On 2/22/2005 Tony Boom wrote: TBA bit like asking for a TB Rasberry Ripple ice cream and getting plain vanilla. 2/22/2005 6:03 AM Hi Tony, D e e p A l p h a We will always be disappointed when we expect more than we deserve. This thread has wasted more of the reader's time than I want to think about. It doesn't even belong here as I recall the name is TBBeta. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
On 2/25/2005 Tony Boom wrote: TFC wow that's sad to see thebat users to closed mind TB Nothing to do with closed minds. Most people on here chose TB! TB specifically because of it's inability to handle html. You go changing TB that and everyone will have to find another client. 2/25/2005 4:27 AM Hi Tony, Amen! Very well put and expresses my opinion exactly! If formatting is necessary, create a PDF and send as an attachment. I work with people all around the world and TB is a primary tool to maintain their ability to exist in their conditions without harassment or threat to their lives. Please Maxim do not corrupt TB with the same junk as Outlook/OE and the wannabes like Thunderbird. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
On 2/25/2005 The Final Cut wrote: TFC You must be kidding to think ppl would have to switch to TFC another email client if thebat download images from web. TFC As mentionned _many_ times, that would work with a TFC whitelist and the most important, the option would be disabled by TFC default. 2/25/2005 6:44 AM Hi The, Some day you will experience circumstances that change your mind. Until then please continue using Thunderbird and allow TB to be what it was designed to be...a very powerful _and_ secure email client. Thunderbird has many peers. The Bat! has none! We do not want your ideas to destroy that! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
On 2/25/2005 The Final Cut wrote: TFC 3. peers? show me some and your sources 2/25/2005 7:34 AM Hi The, Eudora, OE, Outlook, etc. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
On 2/25/2005 Dave Gorman wrote: DG unusability of any of these. Outhouse and Outhouse Express especially DG are in a class of their own when it comes to bloat and security flaws. True, the outs are in a class by themselves. However, Thunderbird emulates more of the look feel of the outs than I care for. Also, its editor is primitive compared to MicroEd. DG I do like TBird's *optional* downloading of HTML images and proper DG display of HTML formatted emails. Some of the newsletters and so forth DG that I receive by email are actually readable without having to open DG them in the browser! And since it is *optional*, I am not by default DG opening myself to the security risks of downloading any and all images. I work almost exclusively with neophyte users all over the world. Having this option is one way for the ignorant to become vulnerable. Most of my subscriptions have a text only option which I use exclusively. When your internet access is paid for by the minute the typically 1/5 size of a text message pays dividends. DG However, when it comes to TB, usable IMAP is far more important to me DG than anything to do with HTML. If we want to talk about unusable IMAP, DG TB truly is without peers among MUA's that claim to support IMAP! I understand. However, virtually all the people I support do not have IMAP as an option, nor is it desirable in most instances. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
On 2/25/2005 Mark Partous wrote: MP Content : one company logo and a table of values, 2 pages in total. MP Size: 912 kb. MP After reformating by me : 54 kb. with a minimal loss of quality (if one looks MP carefully, it can be seen in the logo). 2/25/2005 9:14 AM Hi Mark, HTML messages will not heal this major ignorance. It is a similar problem to someone using a 1600x1200 picture in a small part of a letter. I try to educate these people. Some are willing, some not. Just this week I received a one page letter with a small picture created in M$ word that was 2.29 mb! I reformatted it in OpenOffice and it was only 66k. Even though this person was in a foreign country I had them download Irfanview and then called last night to explain how to resize and enhance the picture. As long as software developers and camera makers insist on defaulting to total bloat this problem will exist. At least with a large attachment I can choose to download it. With HTML messages I have no choice if I need to know the content and I make myself vulnerable in the process. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
On 2/25/2005 Mark Partous wrote: MP You silly boy, the group of long-time users said, you don't know what you MP are talking about. MP And at the end of another day of nice driving in their beloved old car, all MP went to sleep in their bed. MP Not without opening the doors of their car of course! :-) 2/25/2005 10:42 AM Hi Mark, I'm curious. What do you say to the people who have a dead 2 year-old who strangled himself by pressing the up button on the window with his knee because his dad forgot to set the window lock? If features are irrelevant why are there so many types of cars available? Give me the ability to prevent the user from changing the settings _and_ make the choices available during the setup process and maybe... -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
On 2/25/2005 Richard Wakeford wrote: RW someone. Alright, there are many people out there who don't know how to RW do that but I want my pictures in my camera to be of the highest quality RW possible thank you :-) 2/25/2005 11:00 AM Hi Richard, A 1600x1200 picture reduced to 320x240 for viewing in a newsletter will look worse than the same picture taken at 640x480. Why waste the resources for an inferior product? -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
On 2/25/2005 Dave Gorman wrote: DG Granted, there are many end users who will not know the ramifications of DG their choices. Buy why should my computing experience be diminished or DG made more inconvenient for no reason other than to prevent the stupid DG users from screwing things up? 2/25/2005 2:19 PM Hi Dave, Unless you are forced to use a program under duress you have choices. Let's allow each of to be free to make those choices. Maybe someday you will have the privilege of supporting many types of users in many different cultures and gain an understanding of the importance to not put the opportunity to be inappropriate in front of the user. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
On 2/25/2005 Dennis Hays wrote: DH What we all have in common, on this list, are the reasons we DH originally came to TB! And, from a marketing point of view, DH these have to be respected. I don't think most of us looked at DH this product because of its fine HTML viewer. 2/25/2005 2:27 PM Hi Dennis, How true! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
On 2/25/2005 David Calvarese wrote: DC Someone on this list called Pocomail a 'child's toy', but it's a child's DC toy that has basic functionality that TB! is currently lacking. Both DC the HTML/Image issue as well as (IIRC) proper IMAP support. 2/25/2005 2:25 PM Hi David, Conversely, POCO is missing much of TB's functionality and has had perpetual stability issues. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
On 2/25/2005 David Calvarese wrote: DC We just want the option to be able to click DC a button and have it display them if we want it too. And possibly being DC able to tag an address in the address book to 'Display Remote Images' or DC even 'Trust HTML email from people in your address book', though both of DC those have dangers to them. 2/25/2005 4:16 PM Hi David, You already have the button to click...it's called an icon that shows on the left side of the message display. What will you do when a worm hijacks your dear grandmother and begins sending HTML trash which your e-mail client gladly opens because you told it you trust your grandmother? Ay yi yi!! In war, love, sports and email the best defense is an offense. TB is defensive because of its offensive design. Please get in your T-bird and ride into the sunset. No more do we want to hear drivel on how to screw a Bat! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
On 2/25/2005 AC Martin wrote: AM BTW, if the neophyte is curious about TB! not loading images, they'll AM ask us and we'd be the first to tell them to *simply* open the message AM in their browser, leaving them at risk, even if we warn them. :) 2/25/2005 8:12 PM Hi AC, Speak for yourself. Those I work with are using Opera and have some instruction in responsible internet usage. It in their ignorance that most problems occur. In a majority of cases the images in the HTML messages I receive are superfluous eye candy. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
On 2/25/2005 Allie wrote: A Furthermore, if A TB! loaded the images, what would make it compromise the machine more A than if Opera were to load those same images? 2/25/2005 9:09 PM Hi Allie, If you must click on an icon and wait for a browser to load there is opportunity to think about your action. On the other hand, since most people do not even remember lunch it is easy to forget that the images are loading automatically until there is a problem. I much prefer to make the choice on a case by case basis. Also, some of those I work with have a 300 baud shortwave radio connection for email or a 7500 cell phone connection costing 4.5 cents/min. They surely do not want HTML nor do they need it. They can selectively download attachments when circumstances warrant it on a case by case basis. If the configuration files are made inaccessible to the user so they are protected from themselves, and, none of this stuff is turned on by default, I might be able to accept the built-in ability as long as usability and performance are not affected. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
On 2/26/2005 Mic Cullen wrote: MC But as an analogy, that's one of the most ridiculous I've seen. Ever. 2/26/2005 10:51 AM Hi Mic, Seems right at home with some others that were offered. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: html whitelist wish
On 2/26/2005 Goncalo Farias wrote: GF It doesn't work very well when you need to reply to the message. 2/26/2005 10:55 AM Hi Goncalo, I have no clue what this means... -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
On 2/26/2005 David Calvarese wrote: DC All we want is the option to be able to view it correctly DC withough having to use a web browser, thus letting us reply to it if we DC need/want to. 2/26/2005 10:57 AM Hi David, I have never been challenged to reply to an HTML message. What is the problem? -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
On 2/26/2005 Thomas Fernandez wrote: PVN They can selectively download attachments when circumstances PVN warrant it on a case by case basis. If the configuration files PVN are made inaccessible to the user so they are protected from PVN themselves, TF Please do not protect *me* from myself. I do not take well to TF nannying. If I cause a problem to my system by downloading images, it TF will be my own fault and I will have to deal with it. TB is an email TF client for grown-ups. 2/26/2005 10:59 AM Hi Thomas, Sorry that you saw the need to remove this from your reply; PVN ...themselves, and, none of this stuff is turned on by PVN default, I might be able to accept the built-in ability as long as PVN usability and performance are not affected. This invalidates the legitimacy of your response. TB is a client for all people, even those who choose to modify the facts. I hope this is not representative of all the grown-ups. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: html whitelist wish
On 2/26/2005 NetVicious wrote: The problem here it's this: N Spammer A sends a spam-mail to you with the from email as N [EMAIL PROTECTED] In your TB! you have this address in the N whitelist of downloading images. N The mail has a transparent image from a php file with a serial number N linked in a database with your mail. N Now the spammer knows you email account it's readed, and you hace N read the spam mail. N The perfect option will be a button or something to load the images of N the current mail. And this should be made manually every time. 2/26/2005 11:12 AM Hi NetVicious, YES, YES.., YES..., Y E S !! ¡muy BUENO! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: html whitelist wish
On 2/26/2005 Goncalo Farias wrote: PVN I have never been challenged to reply to an HTML message. What is the PVN problem? GF Then you should try it first and argue with us after it! 2/26/2005 7:35 PM Hi Goncalo, You seem challenged with an understanding of English. I do it all the time with no problem but then I do not have a vendor that requires me to fill out an HTML form. My solution to this would be to have Thunderbird available or use web mail for such a unique circumstance. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[5]: html whitelist wish
On 2/26/2005 Goncalo Farias wrote: GF can you reply below the quotes you want to reply to and strip the non GF relevant issues instead of replying below the whole message? This is done when pertinent, please review previous messages. GF And, I know this is a pain in the arse, your signature delimiter is GF non conformant with the list rules. They want it like '-- ' instead of GF '--'. Strange that none of the moderators have indicated this.. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
2/27/2005 6:19 AM Hi Leif, On 2/26/2005 Leif Gregory wrote: LG Happy Tony? Now you drug me into this! :-) Very well said! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
2/27/2005 6:29 AM Hi Mic, On 2/27/2005 Mic Cullen wrote: MC If you have even a vague clue as to what you are doing, that statement is MC utterly false. My monitor only shows 96 dpi, what is yours? -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: html whitelist wish
2/27/2005 8:20 AM Hi Mary, On 2/27/2005 Mary Bull wrote: MB This is so that I can protect myself from inadvertently putting a MB graphics image into a message-text bodyin the View Folder window. MB I am just one old-lady user. But I think perhaps there are others with MB my needs using TB!, or out there as potential users, and it would be MB so simple to respect this need of mine by having the capability OFF by MB Default. MB I have, in the past, actually been distracted and clicked Send, on the MB warning box that comes before a message is Sent, without intending to. MB At a computer screen, even the best of us make mistakes, I think. I'd MB like for the individual user to be able to choose, in regard to this MB particular functionality, the amount of risk for mistakes that the MB user is comfortable with. MB Note, however, that I do not object to others accepting more risk than MB I do. :) Agreed. Gee-whiz functionality at the expense of privacy and security is too high of a price for me to pay. I do object to others taking risks if doing so has an impact on others. Irresponsibility begins as soon we allow our actions to negatively affect someone else. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.1 Deep Alpha | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: PocoTB
3/15/2005 3:36 PM Hi Mary, On 3/15/2005 Mary Bull wrote: MB And what noun is more important than Wife? Husband? -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.5 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: PocoTB
3/15/2005 3:31 PM Hi MAU, On 3/15/2005 MAU wrote: M http://dictionary.reference.com/help/faq/language/c/capitalization.html M The one that applies to this case says: Family relationship names when M they precede a name or are used in place of person's name, especially in M direct address. M So, the way I understand it you should write Hi Wife! but not my M Wife as you wrote and which caught my attention. Right on as it applies in the United States. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.5 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Global View Mode vs. Folder View Mode
3/16/2005 6:29 AM Hi Manuel, On 3/16/2005 Manuel Breitfeld wrote: MB You're right. That was what I was thinking of. We have global MB templates and folder templates. It's pure logic that folder templates MB should have higher priority. Absolutely anything specific to an entity smaller(or lessor) than Global must have priority! Otherwise there is no purpose for the customization. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.7 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.0.9.6: TB exits, but not really
3/16/2005 12:49 PM Hi Leif, On 3/16/2005 Leif Gregory wrote: LG I've tried it minimized and maximized but it never shows up in LG Applications. It may be that when I minimize it goes to tasktray LG instead of the taskbar, so that might account for it. As long as TB! is visible on my screen it shows in Programs. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.7 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.0.9.7: Can't create VF, TB freezes
3/17/2005 7:24 AM Hi Alexander, On 3/16/2005 Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK At the moment I can't (or don't want to) go thru the hassle of trying to ASK get a pre-beta (whatever that should be I don't care, didn't sign up as a ASK pre-beta tester) to work, so I stick with 3.0.2.10, and given the amounts ASK of mails that passed on this list today I do not regret it. :) I'm with you all the way. I have mouths to feed and a mortgage to pay and they still are at the top of the list. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.7 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Lost mail again
3/31/2005 12:01 PM Hi MAU, On 3/31/2005 MAU wrote: M So, I guess I am back to my old, good, stable and reliable v3.0.2.10 for M some time. I'm with you all the way! Eye candy has a huge price. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.10 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Changes to the TB Lists
4/1/2005 10:27 AM Hi Leif, On 4/1/2005 Leif Gregory wrote: LG Yes, this may seem steep. A burden unbearable. But please, remember, LG that'll buy us a whole boatload of Big Macs with a large fry and a LG coke. Happy April Fool day to you too! If the above is true and you eat that junk, we will not have to pay the for the 2nd month. May you rest in peace! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.11 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: An error occurred while reading the message base (IMAP)
4/15/2005 5:16 AM Hi Allie, On 4/14/2005 Allie Martin wrote: AM However, I need good evidence of commitment to really get the thing AM working soon without explanations that we have to make do because of AM POP3 architecture getting in the way as well as priority issues putting AM IMAP on the backseat even for a while. As I see it the desire to market the new eye candy became more important than functionality. That is a prescription for disaster. The program should have been performing flawlessly before any interface changes. I believe the developers are significantly challenged with managing interface issues while attempting to program functionality. As a database application developer for the past 16 years, I have learned that it is mandatory to have a fully functional program before the interface is designed. Otherwise a person can go crazy attempting to figure where are the problem areas and how to implement corrective measures. Version 2 should have been fully functional and as bug free as possible before version 3. The result is that it will take at least 3 times longer to make V. 3 work and will frustrate enough loyal users and promoters to the point that they might leave and never come back. Just have a look at POCO to get an idea. Great to look at but unstable and buggy. In the past, all of my customers have never complained about looks once they understood the functionality of TB! My job has always been to make sure I only exposed them to the stable and relatively bug free versions or they would have abandoned TB! and me! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.15 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Can't receive mail--cascading AVS [was Re: [The Bat! 3.0.9.16 Return] AV while shutting down The Bat!]
4/17/2005 4:18 PM Hi Mary, On 4/17/2005 Mary Bull wrote: MB Hello Greg! MB On Sunday, April 17, 2005, 11:00 AM, you wrote: Since you use TB and are behind a router you are fairly safe already. I suggest as a test to turn off both your FW AV completely, then see if you can receive email. If you can receive, then turn one on, and leave the other off for further testing. This should help you narrow the problem down if you are able to receive with both AV FW off. MB Thanks. It's my Sygate Firewall that's the culprit. The Dispatcher MB offers me the mail perfectly with it off and F-Secure anti-virus on. MB The Bat! is in my set of Allowed applications in Sygate, but MB something in .15 and .16 isn't meshing with the Sygate configuration. MB As you say, I'm pretty safe behind the router. Right now I have Sygate MB set to Allow All. But it won't tell me, now, if something new tries MB to phone home. I've been looking in the settings for a way to except MB The Bat! but still keep all the other incoming/outgoing security MB settings in place. MB So far, can't find them. I may have to switch from Sygate to Kerio. Or MB even get F-Secure's firewall, which was offered to me in a suite when MB I renewed my AV program, last fall. MB Anyway, the good news: I'm up in v. .16 and testing by using it as I MB normally use The Bat! (Except for an enabled software firewall MB running.) MB Thanks a mil, Greg, and everyone else who's been working with me on MB this problem. Give Outpost PRO a try at www.agnitum.com . It has worked very well for me for some time, is easy to use but feature rich. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.16 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Spell Checker Menu
4/19/2005 8:40 AM Hi Mary, On 4/19/2005 Mary Bull wrote: MB Now, one more reason I'm glad that I didn't. I have not used M$ Office since version '97 and have been overjoyed with the performance, stability and security of my and my customers' machines. The very capable OpenOffice 2 and WordPerfect Office 12 destroy the need for M$ Office. Even the negatives of Outlook outweigh the positives for me and my customers. Until recently I never suspected the possible negative influence M$ Office could have on TB! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.0.9.17 Return | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Opening attachment from Editor is impossible in RC8
5/12/2005 8:37 AM Hi MAU, On 5/12/2005 MAU wrote: M You may be right but, in any case, double-click has always worked to M open attachments in editor window. At least till version 3.0.2.10 as I M have just verified right now and, probably, during some of the betas of M this cycle (I can't confirm this now). You are correct! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5 Return RC/8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Deficiencies in v3.5
6/6/2005 6:29 AM Hi Bill, On 6/5/2005 Bill McCarthy wrote: However, Alt-L fails to preserve two spaces between sentences. This is an old rule that is hardly used anymore. It is time to modernize and trash the double space between sentences. BM Without handling this common format rule, this editor sucks! Why waste your time? Get another client. Like everything else in life it is not perfect. However, I cannot find something better and I have tried them all. BM Ritlabs should either fix it or let us easily open a real editor BM on the text body. I need to ask this question: Would you recognize a real editor if it walked up to you? Meeting your personal preferences only means just that. First of all, this is e-mail. MicroEd is a fantastic email editor made for its intended purpose. When you want the attributes of a word processor, use one. Download OpenOffice and stop badgering this list. I am weary of whining. It wastes everyone's time and accomplishes nothing. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Deficiencies in v3.5
6/6/2005 6:16 PM Hi Goncalo, On 6/6/2005 Goncalo Farias wrote: BM Without handling this common format rule, this editor sucks! GF We see so much garbage in the list I GF really don't see why wanting the possibility to open an external GF editor should be such a case for flame throwing Precisely! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is (none) | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.5.27
6/16/2005 10:24 AM Hi Avi, On 6/16/2005 Avi Yashar wrote: AY On 6/16/05, Avi Yashar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/16/05, Avi Yashar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 6/16/05, Maxim Masiutin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [-] Double click didn't work in folder selection dialog. http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb3527.rar Out of curiosity, who paid you guys to fix this particular problem... and how much did it cost? Irony. AY No, sarcasm. Expected...considering the source. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Uninstall works partially
6/16/2005 10:57 AM Hi Charlene, On 6/16/2005 Charlene Ferrara wrote: CF Just a remark: many programs leave their regfiles undeleted, it is not CF only TB. Nevertheless, TB should keep its own house clean. True. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.5.27
6/16/2005 12:56 PM Hi Avi, On 6/16/2005 Avi Yashar wrote: AY Good grief I can't take any more of this nonsense. AY which generally appears on the warez lists within AY hours of any production-level release. Interesting...so why do _you_ know this? AY pure and simple, then let it be the pure and simple fact that many Please find someone to explain this for you. AY of us on this forum are not just disappointed but angry. Speak for yourself. I haven't given you permission to speak for me! -- Had a belly full of..., Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5.26 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OTFE Woes
6/18/2005 8:15 AM Hi Avi, On 6/18/2005 Avi Yashar wrote: AY On top of all this I have noticed one regrettable security lapse in AY OTFE. When uninstalling TB via the Control Panel, no password is AY required. In other words, anyone could conceivably come along and AY uninstall TB and wipe out the working directories, presumably AY including all of your message base... although for some puzzling AY reason the uninstall pattern seemed to leave my mail directories AY behind. I do not respect, or use, any software that removes user data upon an uninstall. I cannot imagine a single circumstance where removing the user's data with an uninstall would be positive. This should always be a purposeful and separate action from an uninstall action. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5.28 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: OTFE Woes
6/18/2005 8:15 AM Hi Avi, On 6/18/2005 Avi Yashar wrote: AY On top of all this I have noticed one regrettable security lapse in AY OTFE. When uninstalling TB via the Control Panel, no password is AY required. In other words, anyone could conceivably come along and AY uninstall TB and wipe out the working directories, presumably AY including all of your message base... although for some puzzling AY reason the uninstall pattern seemed to leave my mail directories AY behind. I do not respect, or use, any software that removes user data upon an uninstall. I cannot imagine a single circumstance where removing the user's data with an uninstall would be positive. This should always be a purposeful and separate action from an uninstall action. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5.28 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: OTFE Woes
6/18/2005 4:49 PM Hi Goncalo, On 6/18/2005 Goncalo Farias wrote: GF When it asks and the user consents? (just being a little democratic GF here) I have been a consultant for 16 years and have experienced way too many improperly answered questions regarding data removal. I firmly believe data removal should be a separate and purposeful action, even if it is only instructions on manual removal. Ask and consent is fine for experienced and understanding users and spell disaster for those that aren't. Better safe than sorry for all types of users. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: OTFE Woes
6/19/2005 7:58 AM Hi Avi, On 6/19/2005 Avi Yashar wrote: AY Alexander, one of the main reasons for encrypting a data base is AY because others might get access to your computer for one reason or AY another. Realistically speaking, these things happen; and, if I were a AY betting man, I would bet that they even happen to you too. You would lose your bet with me. I have management techniques that disallow physical access to my machines without permission. I use the Bat! Private Disk and enjoy the luxury of encryption for all my sensitive stuff without dependence on NTFS or the management of any software. It works seamlessly for all programs. I suggest you try it! Living life is much more enjoyable when we seek solutions rather than carp about the things we can't control. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[5]: OTFE Woes
6/19/2005 9:20 AM Hi Avi, On 6/19/2005 Avi Yashar wrote: How is that? AY I just assumed it is body odor, Goncalo. Ass/U/med. Isn't interesting that we usually assume the things that we have experience with. -- Take Care, Paul Never argue with a fool, people may not be able to tell who is who. The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: OTFE Woes
6/19/2005 9:10 AM Hi Goncalo, On 6/19/2005 Goncalo Farias wrote: GF How is that? If I told you everyone on this forum could have access. -- Take Care, Paul Never argue with a fool, people may not be able to tell who is who. The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5.29 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.5.27
6/20/2005 6:17 AM Hi Peter, On 6/20/2005 Peter Fjelsten wrote: PF Your constant complaints/sarcastic/ironic/whatever are getting to be a PF bit tiresome. PF (I know I am not moderator but I thought I'd let you know what I - and PF others(?) - feel) I agree! It seems three members of this forum get their recreation from this type of stuff and are so bent on its perpetuity that they do not respond to hints - no matter how strong they are. My sympathies to their spouses (if they exist). -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: 3.5.27
6/20/2005 11:33 AM Hi Tony, On 6/20/2005 Tony Boom wrote: TB Hello Paul. TB --On 20 June 2005 06:20 -0400 you wrote about Re[2]: 3.5.27: I agree! It seems three members of this forum get their recreation from this type of stuff TB I can't speak for the other two (perhaps if my name was Peter Fjelsten I TB could) but The Bat is 100% unusable for me and NOTHING is being done about TB it. TB Had TB been free I'd have no complaints but I paid for it and it doesn't TB work... Would you just sit back and be ripped off? I doubt it! Sorry, your name isn't one of the three! Have you asked for a refund? -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.5.30
6/22/2005 8:35 AM Hi Avi, On 6/22/2005 Avi Yashar wrote: AY On 6/22/05, Roelof Otten [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Define 'painfully slow'. Over here it's 75 sec to find three messages among 12280 messages, that's kind of reasonable, I think. AY 5-10 minutes to search a folder withless than 2000 messages. Seems you have a local problem requiring a local solution. -- Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Very Important Question
6/23/2005 10:52 AM Hi Maxim, On 6/23/2005 Maxim Masiutin wrote: MM Hello , MM Could you please aswer very important questions about editors in The Bat! MM 1. What are the disadvantages of Windows Editor comparing MM to MicroEd, and what features of MicroEd that you are really MM using, you are missing in Windows Editor? MM 2. What are the disadvantages of MicroEd comparing to MM Windows Editor, and what features of Windows Editor that you MM are really using, you are missing in MicroEd? I do not like or use the Windows Editor. MicroEd is great! I appreciate the auto-formatting mode when sending newsletters. It does hinder normal correspondence so I only use it for newsletters. It would be great to be able selectively assign it to Groups in the address book. I would hate to lose MicroEd!! It is one of the most prominent reasons for using The Bat!. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5.30 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 CC Still in Background
6/25/2005 6:26 AM Hi Charlene, On 6/25/2005 Charlene Ferrara wrote: CF Hi Avi Yashar, CF Saturday, June 25, 2005 CF you let us know -at least in parts- : Charlene, to see this bug, you must go to OptionsPreferencesSystem Hot Keys and set up a hotkey for Check Mail for ALL Accounts and Check Mail for Current Account. CF At first I did not use my own shortcut but the old known Alt+F2 CF keystroke. This one works and opens CC in foreground as it should. When CF I create my own customised shortcuts (I was lazy and took Alt+F2 as CF check-all-account and Alt+F3 for active account check) it works as you CF described in background. So confirmation on this. But Alt+F3 now should CF do according to your description a complete check for all my accounts. CF This does not happen, so still no confirmation on this. CF Hm... if a customised Alt+F2 does open CC in background and an untouched CF native Alt+F2 opens CC in foreground, Rit really should take a second CF look at the code. If the provided [Alt]+[F2] has worked for years, why does one see the need to change it? Furthermore, setting a custom hotkey to the same as a provided hotkey is illogical. Other programs I use do not make available for reuse the provided (hard-coded) hotkeys for customization. Seems like Rit should do this also. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[7]: IMAP proposal: Away Mode
6/25/2005 6:56 AM Hi Alto, On 6/25/2005 Alto Speckhardt wrote: AM IMO, you shouldn't be using IMAP. AS I have to, for these reasons: AS - I want seperate folders with the ability of server-side filtering by AS my provider. AS - I want to be able to use both a mail client and my provider's AS web-frontend to access mail. If I used POP, I would constantly have to AS worry about what mail to delete where. I do not use server-side filtering. I frequently travel to different countries and it has not been an issue. As far as where to delete mail, here is how I manage this using POP: 1. My Desktop is the primary mail manager and is set to delete messages after 7 days and to delete messages when they are removed from the Trash folder. 2. My Notebook is set to delete messages when removed from Trash. 3. I delete unwanted messages through the web interface whenever it is accessed and I'm in the mood. 4. Before leaving with my notebook I copy the primary message folder with all of the subfolders to the notebook and close The Bat! on the desktop machine. 5. Upon returning from a trip, I restart The Bat! on the Desktop and copy the sent messages from the notebook and download the remaining messages from the server. This method using POP has worked well for years. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: The Bat! 3.5.0.31 CC Still in Background
6/25/2005 10:36 AM Hi Michael, On 6/25/2005 Michael Acklin wrote: MA Saturday, June 25, 2005, 4:34:03 AM, (Internet Time - ) you wrote: MA Hello Charlene, CF At first I did not use my own shortcut but the old known Alt+F2 CF keystroke. This one works and opens CC in foreground as it should. When CF I create my own customised shortcuts (I was lazy and took Alt+F2 as CF check-all-account and Alt+F3 for active account check) it works as you CF described in background. So confirmation on this. But Alt+F3 now should CF do according to your description a complete check for all my accounts. CF This does not happen, so still no confirmation on this. CF Hm... if a customised Alt+F2 does open CC in background and an untouched CF native Alt+F2 opens CC in foreground, Rit really should take a second CF look at the code. MA Confirmed... MA You are absolutely correct. I just found the 2 F2's in the menu. Under MA Account/Get New Mail, the F2 is defined as Current Account and the CC MA is in the Foreground. MA Under Tools/Get New Mail for all, the ALT-F2 is defined for all MA accounts and the CC is in the Foreground. MA And when you redefine the Hotkeys, things start getting weird. :) Makes sense to me! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Very Important Question
6/25/2005 10:28 AM Hi Alto, On 6/25/2005 Alto Speckhardt wrote: AS Indeed. RIT aparently thought that thousands and thousands of editors AS were doing it all wrong and invented their own system. Change and improvement doesn't happen unless someone is willing to be bold enough to go outside the box. There is nothing to say the other editors are correct and the TB is wrong. The reverse is also true. They _are_ different. So, I prefer MicroEd for email to anything else. I also use OpenOffice and WordPerfect and MetaPad and Notepad. Each has its strengths and weaknesses. I certainly don't expect each to conform to a single set of conventions. If they did, we would have no need for all but one of them. I am certain you do not want to be just like me and I can assure you the reverse is also true! 8-} -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Very Important Question
6/25/2005 1:27 PM Hi Alto, On 6/25/2005 Alto Speckhardt wrote: AS Hi Alex, Indeed. RIT aparently thought that thousands and thousands of editors were doing it all wrong and invented their own system. ASK No, thats not what I meant. AS I understood you perfectly well. However, in this case precocious AS remarks are not going to change anything: Thousands of editors have AS established a certain way to handle things. One single editor uses AS another method. Are you seriously suggesting that the thousands are AS wrong and everyone speaking up against the weird system the lone one AS is using are intolerant boneheads? AS And, by the way: I am not even suggesting to just remove the current AS non-standard behaviour. I'm suggesting to make it optional. ASK What you're saying would mean that the majority of TB users ASK backs up your wish. Is that the case? :-) AS Apparently it is. On this list are very few people who have reported AS that they explicitly like RIT's way, many who don't care and have AS adjusted, and many again who do not like it. The majority is either AS untouched by the problem (meaning they don't care much either way) or AS in favour of the standard way of handling LFs. AS And these are the people on a TheBat-dedicated list who are per se AS more computer-literate than the average user, not to speak of AS TheBat-seasoned veterans. We can expect the percentage of every-day AS users that are confused by the RIT-way to be much higher. ASK What keeps you from using the windows editor? AS It has none of the features I need for writing mail, e.g. no quote AS handling to speak of and above all a proportional font. MicroEd comes AS much closer to everyday needs and would be without a major hitch if AS there wasn't the artificial hinderance of the LF handling. Hmm... This reply is written with the Windows editor using Courier New. Seems monospaced to me and I do not see a difference in quotes. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5.31 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: It worries me...
6/30/2005 9:05 PM Hi Kevin, On 6/30/2005 Kevin Menard wrote: But, I finally had to come to the realization that things KM are just bad. Enough is enough. As shown below I have been successfully using 3.0.2.10 for some time. If the heat of beta testing becomes unbearable why not revert to a stable version until the beta's are more stable? That is certainly more productive for all involved and you are the greatest beneficiary of all because you cannot find an email client comparable to TB 1.62 let alone versions 2 or 3. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5.35 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[10]: IMAP No Message Loaded [was Re: 3.5.36]
7/5/2005 5:57 PM Hi Tony, On 7/5/2005 Tony Boom wrote: TB --On 5 July 2005 15:32:04 -0400 Vili [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Next time write something like this: TB I sincerely hope your joking and not telling me what I can and what I can't TB write to this list? It is REPRODUCIBLE, I did this: 1.. 2.. 3.. .. X. TB 1.. I loaded up The Bat. TB 2.. It displayed No Message Loaded and then sat there all day doing TB nothing. TB 3.. I closed The Bat down, Loaded up Mulberry and then sat reading my email TB within seconds. TB Like that you mean? At least I will like you :)) But I never had any problem with you before neither :) TB And I like you too... At least I did before you started dictating to me... TB No smiley face, I'm being serious so please tell me your joking? For everyone's benefit, but mostly yours, why don't you end the pity party? Go pick mulberries and smile. It's much better than swinging a big stick at a flying bat!! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.5.36 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51
7/6/2005 8:16 PM Hi Ron, On 7/6/2005 Ron Secord wrote: RS Any chance of getting an .rar file to download? I can't even get the RS .msi to start. Something might have damaged your MSIexec files. Check the information at: http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/details.aspx?displaylang=enFamilyID=CEBBACD8-C094-4255-B702-DE3BB768148F -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: how to kill a bat
7/10/2005 8:31 AM Hi Roelof, On 7/10/2005 Roelof Otten wrote: BA try adding a 20meg attachment that'll slow the bat up BA something badly. RO As I'm writing this message, I'm getting my 47 MB (yes, that is how RO big a 33 MB attachment gets on an almost empty message) message back YouSendIt at https://s17.yousendit.com/ works real well for getting large files to someone. I use it for most everything over 1 mb. Also, the recipient gets to choose when they want to download it without messing up their normal mail usage. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Exchange Usability
7/11/2005 7:32 AM Hi Marek, On 7/11/2005 Marek Mikus wrote: MM when was .MSG used before, *many* users asked to change it to EML, MM because OE users are unable to see MSG attachments sent by TB, because MM OE is unable to display that, only EML is allowed. MM And now, what You want to do? As part of the IMAP setup offer an option to change the file extension. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: Exchange Usability
7/11/2005 11:13 AM Hi Vili, On 7/11/2005 Vili wrote: V B.lls..t :) Assign EML to Outlook, and case solved. Isn't it a LITTLE V strange, that EML is open by OE and MSG with Outlook??? Why email V clients must confirm this mixed up method of MS??? Why TB! can open V each of them? WELL SAID!! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Exchange Usability
7/11/2005 1:09 PM Hi Alexander, On 7/11/2005 Alexander S. Kunz wrote: As part of the IMAP setup offer an option to change the file extension. ASK Why only IMAP? Everyone should be able to send the attachments the way they ASK want. In my experiences defaulting to OE file format reaches more people. IMAP users are more inclined to be corresponding with Outlook users. Always attempting to provide interoperability with M$ is not valuable IMO. We need more people with courage to educate and change the M$ stranglehold if we are to improve. At this point, all of my customers are now using OpenOffice 2 or WordPerfect 12 and they are very happy about it. As long as we keep licking M$ boots instead of offering a better alternative we sentence ourselves to a lot more boot licking. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Exchange Usability
7/11/2005 1:02 PM Hi Alexander, On 7/11/2005 Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK Do you think anyone in a business environment uses Outlook Express? Sadly, in the US there are many small to mid-size businesses using OE. I have to deal with them constantly. Fortunately, most of them are now TB converts and none wants to go back, even the die-hard OE users. I set up TB for them and ask for one week of use and they never want to regress back to OE. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Compressing a folder after removing an attachment
7/12/2005 6:41 AM Hi Peter, On 7/12/2005 Peter Hampf wrote: PH IMO it must be possible to compress a folder after removing an attachment PH from any message. Seems logical to me as a programmer. I have found it significantly more valuable to store attachments in a separate folder. Compression is no longer an issue and it is easy to manage attachments as a group. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.51 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: The Bat! 3.51.3 is now available
7/15/2005 7:22 AM Hi Mary, On 7/15/2005 Mary Bull wrote: OK, new encountered utf-8 related issues. 1) Switching between Plain Text MicroEd to Plain Text Windows looses all text in case when charset of message being edited is utf-8. All other charsets seems to work. Bug report: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4906 2) When default editor is MicroEd and reply is made to utf-8 message no quotes are inserted, just an empty window appears. I think that this behaviour is caused by the same bug which causes utf-8 text to dissapear when switching between MicroEd and windows style plain text editor. Bug report: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4907 MB Further Issue: MB MicroEd failed to use my Reply template when I clicked the Reply MB button. I have had to type in my greeting and signature manually. Since I am a database application programmer, I have been sympathetic to the challenges faced by RL in totally remaking the UI while attempting to retain compatibility. However, I am now convinced they have one, or more, serious flaws in their methodology, program object structure and/or methods of testing programming changes. One of the things I have learned is that it is quite often much better to start from scratch that to keep putting Band-Aids on the wounds of old code. When the functionality of an object gets broken by revisions to another object there is something fundamentally wrong with the programming model being implemented. The guys at RL seem to be beating their heads against the wall for little or no rewards. Maybe it is time to look critically at what is happening and establish a new model for programming the new The Bat! As my signature shows, I have found no version later that 3.0.2.10 to be stable enough for the work I do on a daily basis. Most of this version 3 stuff reminds me of using POCO. I simply cannot afford it. I have all my customers using 2.12 until something better that the performance and stability of 3.0.2.10 becomes available. Customers with very simple needs or those challenged by using computers generally are using FoxMail 5 simply because it is possible to teach them to be successful without making the training a lifelong process. I still feel for the guys at RL. Hopefully, they can examine their current methodology to find why it isn't achieving the desired results and have the courage to make the necessary changes. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Problem invoking Connection Centre/also in sending to domain dutaint
7/15/2005 11:19 AM Hi Mary, On 7/15/2005 Mary Bull wrote: MB Hello Mary! MB On Friday, July 15, 2005, 9:49 AM, you wrote: ... When I tried to send [a post reporting the problem] ... I got an error report: Server reports error. Domain dutaint.co.id does not accept mail from local host. ... MB It does not. The message went quite normally. MB So perhaps this is a problem of my ISP, Comcast, and not of TB! More likely the host for the forum was temporarily blocking Comcast due to the amount of SPAM received from the Comcast server. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4 Current beta is 3.51.3 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Test of return to 3.0.2.10
7/17/2005 5:19 PM Hi Mary, On 7/17/2005 Mary Bull wrote: MB Just a test to see if The Bat! beta version 3.0.2.10 still works as MB well as I remember it having done in the past. :) It sure does!! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[4]: 3.51, Communication, and the Ethics of Beta Testing
7/18/2005 7:43 AM Hi Jay, On 7/18/2005 Jay Walker wrote: JW I would definitely have opted out of that cycle. Opportunity is knocking! Seize it! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 Current beta is 3.51.4 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: Bug, NFS
7/21/2005 6:35 AM Hi Vili, On 7/20/2005 Vili wrote: Setting the destination folder to a move/copy action to the default is more sensible, so that the other actions can still be run. V I agree. BUT TB! SHOULD NOT DO what I did not command it to do. You V can argue, but you are on the dark side :) What will happen if I copy V a mail from the Inbox folder and I delete the destination folder? Two V mails in Inbox?? Is it logical or you? I hope not... You ARE correct Vili. However, it would be good to receive the same type of warning when deleting a folder as is given when deleting or moving a parked message. Another alternative I like even better is to disallow folder deletion altogether until the user removes all references to the folder in the filters. That is something that is fairly easily implemented. Parked messages are always visible but filters are not...out of sight, out of mind. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 Current beta is 3.51.6 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Bug, NFS
7/21/2005 3:32 PM Hi Dwight, On 7/21/2005 Dwight A Corrin wrote: DAC There is an instance of overkill. The filters are going to have to be DAC a lot easier to search thru than they are now. Vili just mentioned he DAC has over 200 filters. Perhaps a filter text search tool is in order. Certainly an arbitrary movement of messages is unacceptable. Another possibility is to disallow the deletion of a non-empty folder. When a filter attempts to act on a nonexistent folder, let it create the folder. At least the problem is highlighted and messages are not put somewhere other than the filter instructions. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 Current beta is 3.51.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Bug, NFS
7/21/2005 5:16 PM Hi Dwight, On 7/21/2005 Dwight A Corrin wrote: DAC I think one should be able to do lots of searching in filters. One DAC should also be able to make an alphabetical list, or better have the DAC filters in alpha order without changing the order of the actual DAC searches. Sounds good to me! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 Current beta is 3.51.7 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Bug, NFS
7/22/2005 6:46 AM Hi Natasha, On 7/22/2005 Natasha V Pearce wrote: NVP Hoi Paul When a filter attempts to act on a nonexistent folder, let it create the folder. NVP This functionality is already available. In the folder dialog of the Copy/Move NVP filter action, there's a checkbox named Automatically create if necessary. NVP HTH. True. However this is intended as a convenience function for filter creation and is selective. The issue in this thread is totally different where the check box is not helpful. The discussion specifically deals with deleting a folder referenced in a filter. Ideally, when a folder is deleted with an active filter reference the deletion should be disallowed and a warning message given pointing to the filter(s) that reference the folder in question. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 Current beta is 3.51.8 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: 3.51.10: Problems with msi Install
7/26/2005 9:49 AM Hi Dimitry, On 7/26/2005 Dimitry Andric wrote: DA This means that thebat_pro_3-51.msi is not the original .msi file DA that you installed your old The Bat with. You need a copy of that to DA complete the uninstall. It's a completely braindead system, I agree, DA but that's just the way MSI works... So why does RIT Labs insist on using it?? Why perpetuate such utter nonsense? Sooner or later _somebody_ must take a stand for what is good and works well. The stuff I develop and distribute uses an *.exe and it works! -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: More issues regarding shortcuts in 3.51.10
8/1/2005 6:41 AM Hi Vili, On 8/1/2005 Vili wrote: V Hello Alexander, C:\Documents and Settings\User\Application Data\The Bat!\tbuser.def And sometimes it can also cause BayesIt to hang :((( I like Program files/The Bat! better. In a multiuser environment (like anything from Win NT4 upwards) thats no good, how would you keep different customisations etc. apart? V I use my PC alone. It is not your usage that determines the location of the file. As Alex correctly pointed out, the program is designed for a multiuser environment and must function appropriately. The real problem was a misconfigured search. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: 3.51.10 - Moving addressbook entry to different group
8/1/2005 6:36 AM Hi Ian, On 7/31/2005 Ian A. White wrote: IAW Hi, IAW I had reason to move an addressbook entry from one group to another. IAW I double clicked on the entry and changed the group there, only when I IAW OK'd the dialog, the entry was still in the original group. Closing IAW the addressbook and reopening it saw it still there. It was only when IAW I closed The Bat! and restarted it that the entry was removed from the IAW original group and into the new group. AFAIK it has always been like that. QuickBooks and other database programs do the same. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: 3.51.10 - Moving addressbook entry to different group
8/2/2005 6:28 AM Hi Roland, On 8/1/2005 Roland wrote: R Select the address you want to move and use Cut and Paste. R The same to move an entire group from an addressbook to another one. R It runs easy and fast here ;-) Good idea. I have used it in the past. The behavior isn't a challenge for me but I first noticed it in version 1.x. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: A new HTML problem with advent of 3..51
8/2/2005 6:47 AM Hi Greg, On 8/1/2005 Greg Strong wrote: GS PROBLEM when copying from Excel 2002 to HTML email. So my original comment GS stands, but only apparently to newer versions of Excel. Hmmm? Sorry about the GS HTML email, but think it is appropriate, otherwise give me my 1st trout. :O Works great from OpenOffice Beta 2 Col 1 Col 2 -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: A new HTML problem with advent of 3..51
8/2/2005 2:35 PM Hi Roger, On 8/2/2005 Roger Phillips wrote: RP Many thanks also to all the others who responded to my request for RP tests with various versions of Excel. The combined effort located the RP problem area and presumably will help Rilabs correct the problem. As I see it the problem belongs to Microsoft. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[3]: IMAP - Multiple Connections, and bad behaviour
8/3/2005 7:45 PM Hi Richard, On 8/3/2005 Richard Newman wrote: RN Hello Jay, RN Wednesday, August 3, 2005, 5:49:12 PM, you wrote: As I experience 3.51.10, it is heavy and slow - as opposed to other more friendly versions that were light and fast. With 3.51.10, I am RN I'm finding exactly the same slow performance on a series of POP3 RN Accounts. Both of you are using gmail -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: British Lion Roars
8/15/2005 8:04 PM Hi Michael, On 8/15/2005 Michael Acklin wrote: MA Written At Monday, August 15, 2005, 18:49:43 MA Hello All, MAFirst off, I just got this from a friend and would like to share it MAwith you all. I am an American and this particular quote made me MAstart thinking. I know we have a lot of diversity on this list, but MAI would like just to say that I agree with this and thought it MAwould let others know, at least for me, how some of us Americans MAfeel. MA BRITISH LION ROARS MA Why does Tony Blairs strength make me worry about my own countrys MA weakness? MA Why has the vigor and courage of Englands response to terrorism given MA me second thoughts about Americas? MA The contrast has been stark. MA We were hit and they were hit. We acted one way and they acted another, MA and their way seems better. MA Dont get me wrong, Ive been a George W. Bush supporter from the MA beginning. I believe going into Iraq was the right thing, and I MA support our efforts and our troops there. MA But Im beginning to get the idea that were more talk than action, and MA that we may lack an essential mental toughness, and that we are dangerously MA bound by nonsensical political correctness. The cumulative impact of MA these things is to endanger our nation and its survival. MA As I have seen Englands leaders respond to the attacks against it, MA Ive been embarrassed by the failure of our leaders to respond with MA similar resolve and candor. MA At the top, the British liberal is showing more spine than the American MA conservative. MA No one is more proud of being an American than I am, and no one loves MA this country more I do. But an honest assessment shows that we are lacking, MA in our culture and in our leadership, and have apparently grown soft in MA our prosperity and insularity. MA We dont know how to take a punch, and we dont know how to put up a MA fight. MA The characteristics that equipped us to win the Second World War seem MA now to be in short supply. MA We still weep over September 11, while the British jaw clenches in MA resolve. We lost 3,000 and are patting down grandmothers at the airport; they MA lost 56 and are getting ready to shut down militant mosques. MA Our president says Islam is a religion of peace; their prime minister MA says militant Islam will not be tolerated in his country. MA Our internees get ACLU lawyers; theirs are going to be charged with MA treason. MA Our president gives us a diversity lecture; their prime minister says MA immigrants have a duty to support and accept English values and learn MA the English language. MA It scares me. Down deep, I just have the sense that theyre doing MA things right and were doing things wrong. I wonder if their centuries of MA repelling invaders and having to fight for their very existence has given them a MA certain fortitude that our comfort and security have denied us. MA Yes, after we were attacked we put flags on our cars and our president MA talked tough. And, yes, we did go into Afghanistan as we should have MA and we did go into Iraq as we should have, but after we got there we never MA quite got the job done. MA Osama is still on the loose, in apparent command of an operational MA terrorist organization, the Taliban is still in the field and bloodying us, we MA are presiding over a quagmire in Iraq and we havent figured out how to MA keep a bunch of savages with bombs from blowing up our trucks and troops. MA Weve sent our troops out, Vietnam style, and tied their hands behind their MA backs. MA Weve taught our Army how to build schools, but we wont free it to MA kill our enemies. MA Its almost as if, at the highest levels of our government, weve MA forgotten how to fight. We seem to be all hat and no cattle. MA Tony Blair said that people preaching militant Islam and violence would MA be deported, if foreigners, and locked up, if Britons. He said those found MA praising or encouraging the terrorists would be tried for treason. MA Tony Blair said that militant Islamic websites would be shut down, that MA militant Islamic bookstores would be shut down, that militant Islamic MA coffee shops would be shut down, that militant Islamic mosques would be shut MA down. MA Tony Blair said imams preaching jihad would be imprisoned or deported. MA Our president is insisting that this is not about religion, it is about MA terror. George W. Bush is asking for tolerance for Muslims; Tony Blair MA is asking for accountability from them. One defends Muslim leaders; the MA other insists that they stand up and denounce their violent fellow believers. MA Theyre kicking butt, were kissing butt. MA England is chasing down those who attacked it; were confiscating MA fingernail files by the millions. MA Were randomly checking bags on the subway. And ignoring our southern MA border. And winning hearts and minds. MA The American response has been
Re[3]: British Lion Roars
8/16/2005 3:56 PM Hi NetVicious, On 8/16/2005 NetVicious wrote: N Please, cut your message before replying. F4 key it's a must in the N TB! Yeah, I know. I was distracted and then hit send before the trim job. As usual I wear out the eraser before the lead. Hasta luego. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 Current beta is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re: Wishlist item
8/18/2005 7:32 AM Hi Stuart, On 8/18/2005 Stuart Hemming wrote: SH It would be nice to be able to change the From name and reply-to name I do this regularly by using the history for these fields. Faster than a QT, I think. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 Current beta is 3.60.01 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
Re[2]: Cursor Tabbing problem in Headers
8/18/2005 2:27 PM Hi Vili, On 8/18/2005 Vili wrote: V Hello Mary, Instead of jumping from the last header field to the body of the message, the cursor jumps to the Attachments Pane. V Yes, but it is normal... Not normal through version 3.0.2.10. -- Take Care, Paul The Bat! v.3.0.2.10 on Win2k SP4-Rollup1 5.0.2195 Current beta is 3.60.01 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html IMPORTANT: To register as a Beta tester, use this link first - http://www.ritlabs.com/en/partners/testers/
