Re: 9.2.2.4

[Luca via TBBETA]

MAU:

> Hello Luca,
> 
> > Any chance to activate a proper Undo-Redo function?
> 
> Have  you  tried:

> In  most Microsoft Windows applications, the keyboard shortcut for the
> Undo  command is Ctrl+Z or Alt+Backspace, and the shortcut for Redo is
> Ctrl+Y or Ctrl+Shift+Z.
> 
> If they work, you could create new buttons for the shortcuts.

But can't you see that there are already 8 or 9 undo/redo menu items and
buttons? They are hidden in the customise dialog (by the way, a 'sort
alphabetically' is badly needed for 'All actions' there) most of them don't
even have an icon, and some of them don't work. Have *you* tried? Obviously
there should be only 2 buttons and/or menu items, both working, with proper
icons, both available in the default menu and toolbar, not just the 'Undo'
one. This should not be a matter for bugtracking, it's obviously a flaw in
menus and toolbars.

Apart from that, the undo function sometimes has unpredictable effects,
producing garbled text. Ok, this is a matter for bugtrack but it's difficult
to demonstrate the problem, I can't describe a step by step procedure to
reproduce it, and I myself can't replicate it when it happens because I never
know when it's going to happen (and of course the original text that I would
recover with the undo action is lost). But it happens, it's been happening for
years on all my sistems maybe since Windows XP or even before, with all my The
Bat and Voyager versions as long as I remember. I am astonished that nobody
ever noticed. And the redo action via ctrl+shift+z most of the times remembers
only the last action. Again, I could try to make a video, but it's so
unpredictable... 
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Re: 9.2.2.4

[Luca via TBBETA]

MAU:

> Hello Luca,
> 
> > The Bat! Professional Edition (OTFE) 
> 
> What  version? It is more helpful to know the version, even if it is a
> beta.

All versions. I'm using the last beta at the moment, but this - no redo in
MicroEd and sometimes even mulfunctioning undo - has been going on for I can't
even remember how many years, with Voyager and The bat.
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Re: 9.2.2.4

[MAU]

Hello Luca,

> Any chance to activate a proper Undo-Redo function?

Have  you  tried:
In  most Microsoft Windows applications, the keyboard shortcut for the
Undo  command is Ctrl+Z or Alt+Backspace, and the shortcut for Redo is
Ctrl+Y or Ctrl+Shift+Z.

If they work, you could create new buttons for the shortcuts.


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Re: 9.2.2.4

[MAU]

Hello Luca,

> The Bat! Professional Edition (OTFE) 

What  version? It is more helpful to know the version, even if it is a
beta.


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Re: 9.2.2.4

[Luca via TBBETA]

Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA:

> Hello Luca, 
> 
> > Any chance to activate a proper Undo-Redo function?
> 
> Please expand your statement into concrete examples and/or issues on BT :-)

Ok, but I thought it was self evident: no redo function anywhere by default,
and if you go rummaging in the customize section in search of a toolbar button
or a menu action, you find eight or nine different items labelled undo or
redo, some with the green arrow, some other with no icon, some of them not
working at all, some other working in unpredictable ways. In particular, no
'redo' toolbar or menu item seems to work, and if you find the one button that
does seem to work someway, the most you can obtain is a redo of the last
action only.

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Re: 9.2.2.4

[Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA]

Hello Luca, 

> Any chance to activate a proper Undo-Redo function?

Please expand your statement into concrete examples and/or issues on BT :-)


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Re: 9.2.2.4

[Luca via TBBETA]

Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA:

> Here is MicroEd with soft wrapping:

So, it is possible to add new feature to MicroEd! Great news, it seemed
untouchable like a frozen mummy in the Arctic. Any chance to activate a proper
Undo-Redo function?

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Re: 9.2.2.4 Verify does not fetch missing OpenPGP key

[Gwen]

Hello The,

On Sun, 23 Aug 2020, at 12:31:07 [GMT +0100] (which was 13:31 where I
live) MFPA wrote:

> The link is https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=2070

Confirmed bug in tracker.

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Re: 9.2.2.4 Verify does not fetch missing OpenPGP key

[MFPA]

Hi


On Saturday 22 August 2020 at 1:00:04 PM, in
, Gwen wrote:-

> Oh, thanks for confirmation.

> Can you report a bug at
> https://bt.ritlabs.com/login_page.php and add such mail
> to report?
> I would like to confirm this issue in The Bat!.
> Please leave the BT link here.  

The link is https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=2070

When I was looking for an email to upload, I found one for which the OpenPGP 
key was automatically retrieved to verify the signature as well as the one for 
which it wasn't. Both are uploaded.

"gpg --search-key B5AA3FA3486ED7AD" finds the key that was not automatically 
retrieved, just to prove it is available.

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Re: 9.2.2.4 Verify does not fetch missing OpenPGP key

[Gwen]

Hello MFPA,

On Sat, 22 Aug 2020, at 12:53:25 [GMT +0100] (which was 13:53 where I
live) MFPA wrote:

>> 32bit has a Bug with GnuPG!
>> Trying to check validity of a signed mail fails with
>> error popup.
>> The Bat! does not fetch a missing key?

> I had the same with 64 bit, trying to verify a signed message on Gnupg-users. 
> I was able to fetch the key manually with GnuPG (but shouldn't have to as my 
> gpg.conf contains auto-key-retrieve).

Oh, thanks for confirmation.

Can you report a bug at https://bt.ritlabs.com/login_page.php and add such mail 
to report?
I would like to confirm this issue in The Bat!.
Please leave the BT link here.

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Re: 9.2.2.4 Verify does not fetch missing OpenPGP key

[MFPA]

Hi


On Wednesday 19 August 2020 at 7:06:35 PM, in
, Gwen wrote:-


> 32bit has a Bug with GnuPG!
> Trying to check validity of a signed mail fails with
> error popup.
> The Bat! does not fetch a missing key?

I had the same with 64 bit, trying to verify a signed message on Gnupg-users. I 
was able to fetch the key manually with GnuPG (but shouldn't have to as my 
gpg.conf contains auto-key-retrieve).

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Re: 9.2.2.4

[MFPA]

Hi


On Thursday 20 August 2020 at 1:34:47 PM, in
, Peter Hampf wrote:-


> - Create a new message
> - paste the Lore Ipsum text below in Microed. It must
> not have any cr or cr/lf character combinations inside.
> - important: adjust the window size (width) on a
> wider screen so that you see 4 lines of text!

Full screen on my 17 inch monitor, it's 5½ lines.



> - place the cursor (with your mouse) at the beginning
> of line 2, press the  key. The screen will scroll
> very fast to the right and back to the left and the
> cursor will jump to the beginning of line 3!

If I place the cursor at the start of line 5 and press , all the text 
jumps a couple of inches to the left and back again, and the cursor jumps to 
the start of line 6. And pressing the left key won't take me from the start of 
line 6 back onto line 5. For all other soft line-breaks except that one, the 
behaviour is as expected.

For smaller window widths, I observed this issue with zero, one, or two soft 
line-breaks. It seems to be at the end of the longest lines but only if the end 
of the text in that line is very close to the edge of the window.


> - try to position the cursor at the end of any line
> and type some text. Cursormark and text insertion point
> are NOT identical.

I didn't manage to reproduce this issue.


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Re: 9.2.2.4

[Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA]

Hello Peter, 


> there is at least one nasty bug with this option enabled.

Should be fixed in 9.2.2.6

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Re: 9.2.2.4

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Peter,

On Thu, 20 Aug 2020 14:34:47 +0200 GMT (20-Aug-20, 19:34 +0700 GMT),
Peter Hampf wrote:

> Answering a  message (Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:17)

> Hello, especially Stefan,

STvT>> Version 9.2.2.4 is available
STvT>> [+] New option to use "soft" line wrapping in MicroEd to make it behave 
like Windows Editor, so the text produced can be read easier on mobile devices

> there is at least one nasty bug with this option enabled.

> Try to reproduce it this way:

> - Create a new message
> - paste the Lore Ipsum text below in Microed. It must not have any cr or 
> cr/lf character combinations inside.
> - important: adjust the window size (width) on a wider screen so that you see 
> 4 lines of text!

Done.

> - place the cursor (with your mouse) at the beginning of line 2, press the 
>  key. The screen will scroll very fast to the right and back to the left 
> and the cursor will jump to the beginning of line 3!

Not confirmed over here. It is at the end of line 2.

> - try to position the cursor at the end of any line and type some text. 
> Cursormark and text insertion point are NOT identical.

Not confirmed over here. I type exactly where I see the cursor.

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Re: 9.2.2.4

[Jernej Simončič]

On Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 10:17:34, Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote:

> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.2.2.4-x64-full.7z

HTML messages still skip to the next message the second time I press spacebar.

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Re: 9.2.2.4 Verify does not fetch missing OpenPGP key

[Gwen]

Hello Stefan,

On Wed, 19 Aug 2020, at 11:17:34 [GMT +0300] (which was 10:17 where I
live) Stefan wrote:

> Version 9.2.2.4 is available 
>
> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.2.2.4-x32-full.7z

32bit has a Bug with GnuPG!
Trying to check validity of a signed mail fails with error popup.
The Bat! does not fetch a missing key?

   gpg: Signature made 08/19/20 15:34:55 Mitteleuropäische Sommerzeit
   gpg:using RSA key 0x52DB8012A6031401
   gpg: Can't check signature: No public key

Has something changed in The Bat!?
!
Searching key gpg with works!.

T:\>gpg --search-key 0x52DB8012A6031401
gpg: data source: https://hkps.pool.sks-keyservers.net:443
  (1) Bürger-CERT Newsletter 

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Re: 9.2.2.4 32bit Crash mit Plugins

[Gwen]

Hello Stefan,

On Wed, 19 Aug 2020, at 19:01:17 [GMT +0300] (which was 18:01 where I
live) Stefan wrote:

>> This version did not start and showed error popup for loading plugins.
>> After restart Plugins and Antivirus config files were disabled.
>
> What plugins do you have exactly?

XMP MAcro plugin 
Regula Anti-Spam Plugin v2.2.7.0. 
Both from http://www.gaijin.at/

Regula had in its log this: ERROR: TBP_GetSpamScore failed!

After i readded these two plugins, all is fine now.
But i did no had ny issues before.
 
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Re: 9.2.2.4 32bit Crash mit Plugins

[Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA]

Hello Gwen, 


> This version did not start and showed error popup for loading plugins.
> After restart Plugins and Antivirus config files were disabled.

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Re: 9.2.2.4 32bit Crash mit Plugins

[Gwen]

Hello list, hello Stefan,

On Wed, 19 Aug 2020, at 11:17:34 [GMT +0300] (which was 10:17 where I
live) Stefan wrote:

> Version 9.2.2.4 is available 
>
> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.2.2.4-x32-full.7z

This version did not start and showed error popup for loading plugins.
After restart Plugins and Antivirus config files were disabled.


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Re: 9.2.2.4

[MAU]

Hello Stefan,

> Version 9.2.2.4 is available 
>
> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.2.2.4-x64.7z
>
> Here is  a short list of changes:
>
> [+] New option to use "soft" line wrapping in MicroEd to make it behave like 
> Windows Editor, so the text produced can be read easier on mobile devices

Up & running. New option seems to work fine when changing editor's window width.


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Re: 9.2.2.4

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Stefan,

On Wed, 19 Aug 2020 11:17:34 +0300 GMT (19-Aug-20, 15:17 +0700 GMT),
Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA wrote:

> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.2.2.4-x64.7z

U

> Here is  a short list of changes:

> [+] New option to use "soft" line wrapping in MicroEd to make it behave like 
> Windows Editor, so the text produced can be read easier on mobile devices

Sounds good. I'll test it extensively.

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Re: 9.2.2.4

[Ethan J. Mings]

August 19, 2020

Hello Stefan,

Wednesday, August 19, 2020, 4:17:34 AM, you wrote:

> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.2.2.4-x64-full.7z

 The new update is in place and running.

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Re: 9.2.2.4

[George Salnik]

Thanks, it helpful to understand now. 

I have "not-wrap" on some HTML-letters where table is inserted. If catch this 
bug again - will send to the support. Will be great to wrap in HTML text to 
where it not. 


Вы писали 19 августа 2020 г., 12:52:08:
> Hello George,

>> Can I ask you to show "was" and "now" by some screenshots?

> Well, I hope moderators would excuse me this bloated HTML posting, but I 
> think it's the most convenient way to demonstrate the difference:


> Here is MicroEd with soft wrapping:




> The text is supposed to be read easily  on displays of any width:



> MicroEd with hard wrapping treats paragraphs this text as  pontentially very 
> long lines:




> Alternatively, you can use auto-wrapping or manual reformatting, which 
> inserts "hard" line breaks so the text becomes more readable (when screen 
> allows):



> But on most mobile devices with almost 100% portrait-oriented layouts your 
> text with "hard" line breaks would look really nasty:


> This feature was requested quite a lot and we finally did it :-)  Of course,  
> there are still some bugs to catch and I hope we can restore some unique 
> MicorEd's functionality which become incompatible with this wrapping mode, so 
> please feel free to file bug reports or switch the feature off in the editor 
> preferences if you don't like it :-)



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Re: 9.2.2.4

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Title: Re: 9.2.2.4


Hello George,

> Can I ask you to show "was" and "now" by some screenshots?

Well, I hope moderators would excuse me this bloated HTML posting, but I think it's the most convenient way to demonstrate the difference:
Here is MicroEd with soft wrapping:

The text is supposed to be read easily  on displays of any width:



MicroEd with hard wrapping treats paragraphs this text as  pontentially very long lines:




Alternatively, you can use auto-wrapping or manual reformatting, which inserts "hard" line breaks so the text becomes more readable (when screen allows):



But on most mobile devices with almost 100% portrait-oriented layouts your text with "hard" line breaks would look really nasty:


This feature was requested quite a lot and we finally did it :-)  Of course,  there are still some bugs to catch and I hope we can restore some unique MicorEd's functionality which become incompatible with this wrapping mode, so please feel free to file bug reports or switch the feature off in the editor preferences if you don't like it :-)



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Re: 9.2.2.4

[George Salnik]

Hi!

Can I ask you to show "was" and "now" by some screenshots?

Regards,
George 

Вы писали 19 августа 2020 г., 11:17:34:
> Dear All, 

> Version 9.2.2.4 is available 

> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.2.2.4-x32-full.7z
> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.2.2.4-x64-full.7z

> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.2.2.4-x32.7z
> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.2.2.4-x64.7z

> Here is  a short list of changes:

> [+] New option to use "soft" line wrapping in MicroEd to make it
> behave like Windows Editor, so the text produced can be read easier on mobile 
> devices


 




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9.2.2.4

[Stefan Tanurkov via TBBETA]

Dear All, 

Version 9.2.2.4 is available 

https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.2.2.4-x32-full.7z
https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.2.2.4-x64-full.7z

https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.2.2.4-x32.7z
https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/beta/tb9.2.2.4-x64.7z

Here is  a short list of changes:

[+] New option to use "soft" line wrapping in MicroEd to make it behave like 
Windows Editor, so the text produced can be read easier on mobile devices


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