Re[2]: What is Happening??

2008-02-02 Thread Ethan J. Mings
Hello Marek,

Saturday, February 2, 2008, 7:06:16 AM, you wrote:

 For example Microed editor is still developed, same with spellcheckers,
 statusbars are not ready yet and so on.

I think it would be much more helpful if we could have a fully
functioning spell check for testing purposes.  Currently, I have files
in the directory which I don't know if they are needed, work, etc.

At this point, the last alpha release did not state the spell checker
was going to work.

Personally, a proper spell checker is simply a Must Have.

Can we get a time line on this.

Jerry

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Re[2]: What is Happening??

2008-02-02 Thread Gleason Pace

Kyle,

 Guess I should have offered more credentials before speaking about
 programming/debug techniques to qualify my concerns. 

 I am a retired IS professional who was a MCSE, and retired as a
 fully qualifed IBM Systems Programmer.  I started in programming long
 before the PC was even a glimmer on the personal horizon as an
 assembler programmer. I worked on most of the 
 Mini-computers of that era before entering the mainframe arena. I
 worked on development progjects like sequential 
 processing delivery for Arpanet (what is now referred to as The
 Internet). I built my own 8080 personal computer, 
 etiched my own motherboard for it (it worked!) and coded assembler

Great, I cut my teeth on Assembler too.  But things have changed a
lot since then.  At one time it was not a large matter to slap
together a DOS based pop email client that only did a few things.

 I understand the risks of using a development system, but as I
 stated before, even with a deveopment effort, there has 
 to be structure to deveopment or you end up shooting yourself in
 the foot too many times (been there, done that). My 
 point here is that to effectivey assist in deveopment, there
 needs(has to be) a base line of stability (regression 
 style never works well) so that testers can effectively test new
 code paths. If the base changes with each feature 
 inclusion, where is the base for metrics?  

We aren't doing any metrics.  I suspect that what will happen over
the next several months is that with out help, TB will come to a
level of stability where it can be called a beta, and then testing
can be more like you describe.

I think the eseential thing to notice here was that, for a long time,
Rit made no new test releases, and people complained.  We want to be
included in what is happening.  So, Rit decided to start releasing
alphas.  Now people complain that what we are getting is not up to
our personal standard of what is testable.  Would it feel better if
Rit called them pre-alphas?  Or should they go back to not making any
more releases until they have a real beta for us?


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