Re: XMP plugin 64bit etc., was: Ability to use old...

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Gleason,

On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 09:40:34 -0500 GMT (30-Jan-19, 21:40 +0700 GMT),
Gleason wrote:

> All,

> I am responding in Postbox email client because templates aren't 
> currently working in The Bat.  I set Postbox
> to respond in text only.  I'm not sure it will do that, so apologies if
> it doesn't.

It works fine.

>> Hello Gwen,
>>
>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 14:06:48 +0100 GMT (30-Jan-19, 20:06 +0700 GMT),
>> Gwen wrote:
>>
>>> Hello tbbeta,
>>> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019, at 12:43:33 [GMT +0100] (which was 12:43 where I
>>> live) Viktor wrote:
 As for "Update plugin": no, has TheBat! v5 only, doesn't want to
 buy a new version, would have to rewrite almost from scratch for x64
 Would a donated new TheBat! license maybe help?
>>> I asked the author of the plugin by mail some days ago (and some years
>>> before). He does not want to give the source to public and has ended the 
>>> development. As i
>>> understood him: does not want to buy a 64bit development version of Delphi 
>>> and change the
>>> code of the plugin for 64bit.
>> Honestly, I don't understand his attitude. He has no interest in this
>> plugin any more, so why doesn't he release the source code? Does he
>> gain something from blocking people from updating it, and others to
>> enjoy the funtionality?
> That's the thing about intellectual property, time and effort 
> contributed for free, and the attitude of programmers,
> as compared to those of us who want something for free from them.  He 
> might be thinking that a person who
> is capable of adapting his code would also be capable of writing the 
> plugin from scratch.  Let them do that.

> Finally, we are "entitled" to nothing from him that he does not feel 
> moved to give.

No, we are not entitled to free software. He was offering a software
for free, that was his decision. Now he is not interested in it any
more.

I am not saying we have a right to use it for free, I am just
wondering what goes on in his head: He is not interested in it any
more, others want to continue his good work, but he blocks it. Why
would he do that? That is the point I don't understand. There is no
commercial interest I can detect.

If it were commercial software to begin with, that would be a
different story. If Ritlabs abandoned TheBat!, I would not be
surprised if they kept the source code a secret.

Anyway, that's just my opinion, and it's getting off-topic.

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Re: XMP plugin 64bit etc., was: Ability to use old...

[Lüko Willms]

Hello everybody,

on Mittwoch, 30. Januar 2019 at 20:58  Ira  wrote
re XMP plugin 64bit etc., was: Ability to use old...
 
> Is this the Adobe XMP file spec we're talking about or something else?

   Something else. Just the same three-letter-acronym, her for "eXtended Macro 
Plugin" 
   
   In this list of software no longer in development: 
https://www.gaijin.at/de/download-verzeichnis?dir=old_software
   Or directly: https://www.gaijin.at/de/download-verzeichnis?dir=old_software 

   Most 3-letter-acronyms are MUMs. 
   
   What is a MUM? A Multi-Use Mnemonic. 
  

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Re: XMP plugin 64bit etc., was: Ability to use old...

[Ira]

> That's the thing about intellectual property, time and effort 
> contributed for free, and the attitude of programmers,
> as compared to those of us who want something for free from them.  He
> might be thinking that a person who
> is capable of adapting his code would also be capable of writing the
> plugin from scratch.  Let them do that.

Has anyone asked if he'd be willing to sell it?

Is this the Adobe XMP file spec we're talking about or something else?

Ira



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Re: XMP plugin 64bit etc., was: Ability to use old...

[Gleason]

All,

I am responding in Postbox email client because templates aren't 
currently working in The Bat.  I set Postbox
to respond in text only.  I'm not sure it will do that, so apologies if 
it doesn't.

Hello Gwen,

On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 14:06:48 +0100 GMT (30-Jan-19, 20:06 +0700 GMT),
Gwen wrote:


Hello tbbeta,
On Wed, 30 Jan 2019, at 12:43:33 [GMT +0100] (which was 12:43 where I
live) Viktor wrote:

As for "Update plugin": no, has TheBat! v5 only, doesn't want to
buy a new version, would have to rewrite almost from scratch for x64
Would a donated new TheBat! license maybe help?

I asked the author of the plugin by mail some days ago (and some years
before). He does not want to give the source to public and has ended the 
development. As i
understood him: does not want to buy a 64bit development version of Delphi and 
change the
code of the plugin for 64bit.

Honestly, I don't understand his attitude. He has no interest in this
plugin any more, so why doesn't he release the source code? Does he
gain something from blocking people from updating it, and others to
enjoy the funtionality?
That's the thing about intellectual property, time and effort 
contributed for free, and the attitude of programmers,
as compared to those of us who want something for free from them.  He 
might be thinking that a person who
is capable of adapting his code would also be capable of writing the 
plugin from scratch.  Let them do that.


Finally, we are "entitled" to nothing from him that he does not feel 
moved to give.


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Re: XMP plugin 64bit etc., was: Ability to use old...

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Gwen,

On Wed, 30 Jan 2019 14:06:48 +0100 GMT (30-Jan-19, 20:06 +0700 GMT),
Gwen wrote:

> Hello tbbeta,

> On Wed, 30 Jan 2019, at 12:43:33 [GMT +0100] (which was 12:43 where I
> live) Viktor wrote:

>> As for "Update plugin": no, has TheBat! v5 only, doesn't want to
>> buy a new version, would have to rewrite almost from scratch for x64
>> Would a donated new TheBat! license maybe help?

> I asked the author of the plugin by mail some days ago (and some years
> before). He does not want to give the source to public and has ended the 
> development. As i
> understood him: does not want to buy a 64bit development version of Delphi 
> and change the
> code of the plugin for 64bit.

Honestly, I don't understand his attitude. He has no interest in this
plugin any more, so why doesn't he release the source code? Does he
gain something from blocking people from updating it, and others to
enjoy the funtionality?

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Re: XMP plugin 64bit etc., was: Ability to use old...

[Gwen]

Hello tbbeta,

On Wed, 30 Jan 2019, at 12:43:33 [GMT +0100] (which was 12:43 where I
live) Viktor wrote:

> As for "Update plugin": no, has TheBat! v5 only, doesn't want to
> buy a new version, would have to rewrite almost from scratch for x64
> Would a donated new TheBat! license maybe help?

I asked the author of the plugin by mail some days ago (and some years
before). He does not want to give the source to public and has ended the 
development. As i
understood him: does not want to buy a 64bit development version of Delphi and 
change the
code of the plugin for 64bit.

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Re: XMP plugin 64bit etc., was: Ability to use old...

[Lüko Willms]

Hello everybody,

on Mittwoch, 30. Januar 2019 at 12:43  Viktor Kabelac  
wrote
re XMP plugin 64bit etc., was: Ability to use old...
  

> Would a donated new TheBat! license maybe help?

  Excellent idea! 

Cheers,
Lüko Willms
Frankfurt am Main
Germany

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Re: XMP plugin 64bit etc., was: Ability to use old...

[Viktor Kabelac]

Hello Joerg,

Tuesday, January 29, 2019, 10:13:50 PM, you wrote:


> Lüko Willms wrote:

>>   Is there no chance to get the author, Werner Rumpeltesz, to release the
>>   code as open source, or hand it over to others who are willing to
>>   continue development?

> For the record - the author gave an answer to this question three years ago.
> You might visit the German forum "Batboard" (this isn't a RitLabs connected
> forum) to see his answer:

> 
> (This is in German)

> Other visitors with no German mother tongue may use an online translator 
> please.
TL;DR:
Produce sources: "not really"

As for "Update plugin": no, has TheBat! v5 only, doesn't want to buy a new 
version, would have to rewrite almost from scratch for x64
Would a donated new TheBat! license maybe help?


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Re: XMP plugin 64bit etc., was: Ability to use old...

[Lüko Willms]

Hello everybody,

on Dienstag, 29. Januar 2019 at 22:13  Joerg Schiermeier 
 wrote
re XMP plugin 64bit etc., was: Ability to use old...

  
> For the record - the author gave an answer to this question three years ago.
> You might visit the German forum "Batboard" (this isn't a RitLabs connected
> forum) to see his answer:

> <https://www.batboard.net/index.php/Thread/13224-XMP-64-Bit/?postID=121206#post121206>
> (This is in German)

  The author's reply to the question "is there a chance that you make the 
source available" is "wohl kaum" which I translate as "rather not". 
  
  But "rather not" is not a hard "auf keinen Fall" or english "never ever". 
  

Cheers,
Lüko Willms
Frankfurt am Main
Germany

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XMP plugin 64bit etc., was: Ability to use old...

[Joerg Schiermeier]

Lüko Willms wrote:

>   Is there no chance to get the author, Werner Rumpeltesz, to release the
>   code as open source, or hand it over to others who are willing to
>   continue development?

For the record - the author gave an answer to this question three years ago. 
You might visit the German forum "Batboard" (this isn't a RitLabs connected 
forum) to see his answer:


(This is in German)

Other visitors with no German mother tongue may use an online translator 
please.

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