Re: [SOT] Beta/alpha version question
12/8/2011 7:48 AM Hi Francis, On 12/8/2011 Francis Dhumes wrote: FD I would say: I never had any major problems with the 5.0 alpha or FD beta. FD It seems silly to say that on a this list, designed to report the bugs, FD but some not-beta-testers lurk the list and FD understand that all the 5.x version are widely buggy and unusable. And FD explain outside this list that the 5.x version are not-to-use. I have used, and sold, The Bat! since version 1.1 in 1998. I have welcomed each new version increase until v5. Admittedly my customers and I are not IMAP users because it is mandatory for us to remove our messages from any server that is not totally under our control. Version 5's interface is cumbersome. It may be OK for new users but for those of us who have used v4 previous versions 5 is a step backwards for POP users. Ignoring any bugs, version v5 is a step backwards for us. Version 5 has lost The Bat!'s slick and quick. IMO continuing to sell v4 is in Ritlabs best interest. - -- Paul The Bat! v.4.2.44.2 on Windows 7 Pro 64 bit 6.1.7601 No IMAP No OTFE Current beta is 5.0.26.17 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] Beta/alpha version question
Hi Paul, Version 5's interface is cumbersome. It may be OK for new users but for those of us who have used v4 previous versions 5 is a step backwards for POP users. Ignoring any bugs, version v5 is a step backwards for us. Version 5 has lost The Bat!'s slick and quick. Since v5 I've very annoying problems with TB: - Clicking on folders, TB 'spontaneously' compacts folders, deletes older messages or tells me, there's nothing to compact. - Clicking on a message to get it in an own window doesn't show that window, but lays it _under_ the main TB-window. I've reported this here awhile ago, but didn't get any response. Since then, I've stopped testing new Alphas. So, if I knew a better alternative, I would leave TB, but I don't know such a better alternative. -- Regards, Gunivortus Using The Bat Vs. 5.0.20 under Windows 7 64 bit POP3 only. Current beta is 5.0.26.17 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] Beta/alpha version question
Hello, Thursday, December 8, 2011 at 14:03:35, Paul wrote : PVN I have used, and sold, The Bat! since version 1.1 in 1998. I am only an user, I have never planned to sell TB!. The only way I'm involved into development is the translation. PVN Version 5's interface is cumbersome. It may be OK for new users but PVN for those of us who have used v4 previous versions 5 is a step PVN backwards for POP users. I don't understand; I use TB! since 1.62 version, an the interface never changed, even since the 5.x version. Sure, there are more option, but not in an amount giving troubles for old users -- Regards, Francis mailto:fran...@dhumes.fr French translator of TB! and ASS Message handmade on TB! 5.0.26.16 (ALPHA) on Windows 7 7601 AntispamSniper for TB! 3.3.1.1 Current beta is 5.0.26.17 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] Beta/alpha version question
On Thursday, December 8, 2011, 14:03:35, Paul Van Noord wrote: Version 5's interface is cumbersome. It may be OK for new users but for those of us who have used v4 previous versions 5 is a step backwards for POP users. Ignoring any bugs, version v5 is a step backwards for us. Version 5 has lost The Bat!'s slick and quick. The thing that bothers me most in the current versions is that selecting messages with keyboard is broken - when I'm going through the usual morning messages, using Shift+Down TB will often move the selection start somewhere way above the first message that was selected. -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ [ The Bat! 5.0.26.17 (ALPHA) on Windows 7 6.1.7601.Service Pack 1 ] Spend sufficient time confirming the need and the need will disappear. -- Ed's Fifth Rule of Procrastination Current beta is 5.0.26.17 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] Beta/alpha version question
On Thursday, December 8, 2011, 15:22:16, Jernej Simončič wrote: The thing that bothers me most in the current versions is that selecting messages with keyboard is broken - when I'm going through the usual morning messages, using Shift+Down TB will often move the selection start somewhere way above the first message that was selected. To be precise: Select a few messages, press Ctrl+M (mark as read), press Ctrl+] (jump to next unread), press Shift+Down. Instead of selecting 2 messages, the selection will start where the first selection started. -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ [ The Bat! 5.0.26.17 (ALPHA) on Windows 7 6.1.7601.Service Pack 1 ] Whatever you did, that's what you planned to do. -- Featherkile's Rule Current beta is 5.0.26.17 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] Beta/alpha version question
On Thursday, December 8, 2011, 7:29:17 AM, Gunivortus Goos wrote: - Clicking on folders, TB 'spontaneously' compacts folders, deletes older messages or tells me, there's nothing to compact. This has NEVER happened to me. You must have settings to not keep messages beyond a certain age active or something - Clicking on a message to get it in an own window doesn't show that window, but lays it _under_ the main TB-window. While I seldom do this, my window opens on my other monitor. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.0.26.17 (ALPHA) on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.0.26.17 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] Beta/alpha version question
On Thursday, December 8, 2011, 5:12:12 AM, Francis Dhumes wrote: It seems silly to say that on a this list, designed to report the bugs, but some not-beta-testers lurk the list and understand that all the 5.x version are widely buggy and unusable. And explain outside this list that the 5.x version are not-to-use. This is my experience as well. Running only IMAP, I use very little local filters any more, so I haven't run up with the filtering problems, and I don't use any virtual folders at present so I can't speak to those two areas. But version five is pretty trouble free for me. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.0.26.17 (ALPHA) on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.0.26.17 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] Beta/alpha version question
On Thursday, December 8, 2011, 9:47:26 AM, Paul Van Noord wrote: Many functions and message list handling are different and not as accessible. The last version of v5 I used was 5.0.24 MSI. After several weeks of attempting to acclimate I went back to v4.2.44.2. can you be more specific. I'm sitting here scratching my head and trying to figure out what you are finding changed. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.0.26.17 (ALPHA) on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.0.26.17 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] Beta/alpha version question
On Thursday, December 8, 2011, 8:22:16 AM, Jernej Simončič wrote: The thing that bothers me most in the current versions is that selecting messages with keyboard is broken - when I'm going through the usual morning messages, using Shift+Down TB will often move the selection start somewhere way above the first message that was selected. I find it constantly annoying that when moving to another folder using control and the right arrow key, it is the second unread message, not the first, where I land in the next folder. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.0.26.17 (ALPHA) on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current beta is 5.0.26.17 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [SOT] Beta/alpha version question
Sveiki, Thursday, December 8, 2011, 6:49:13 PM, you wrote: On Thursday, December 8, 2011, 8:22:16 AM, Jernej Simončič wrote: The thing that bothers me most in the current versions is that selecting messages with keyboard is broken - when I'm going through the usual morning messages, using Shift+Down TB will often move the selection start somewhere way above the first message that was selected. I find it constantly annoying that when moving to another folder using control and the right arrow key, it is the second unread message, not the first, where I land in the next folder. The same happens when deleting email. I constantly get 3 messages disappear intead of 2 when deleting 2. However one message reappears after switching to another folder. But nobody seems to care for years. So I don't report bugs anymore. -- Best regards, Vilius Current beta is 5.0.26.17 | 'Using TBBETA' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
