Re: HTML Mail with links to Graphics

2008-07-03 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Barry, On Thu, 3 Jul 2008 19:38:43 +0100 GMT (04/07/2008, 01:38 +0700 GMT), Barry wrote: B> Well, I've disabled/removed ASS and it hasn't made any improvement at all, B> downloading links in HTML mail slows to a crawl, almost to the point of B> freezing TB!, clicking

Re: HTML Mail with links to Graphics

2008-07-03 Thread Barry
it turned > into adware even when you paid for it > Well, I've disabled/removed ASS and it hasn't made any improvement at all, downloading links in HTML mail slows to a crawl, almost to the point of freezing TB!, clicking on any part of TB's window causes the mouse pointer to chang

Re: HTML Mail with links to Graphics

2008-07-03 Thread Rick
> Hi Barry, B>> However, I've noticed that retrieving the graphics quite often slows to a B>> crawl, the connection manager regularly reports download speeds for the URL B>> 'links' as low as 15-30 cps, with TB! 'not responding' until the graphics or B>> whatever have been downloaded in full. B>>

Re: HTML Mail with links to Graphics

2008-07-03 Thread Neal Laugman
Hi Barry, B> However, I've noticed that retrieving the graphics quite often slows to a B> crawl, the connection manager regularly reports download speeds for the URL B> 'links' as low as 15-30 cps, with TB! 'not responding' until the graphics or B> whatever have been downloaded in full. B> I susp

HTML Mail with links to Graphics

2008-07-03 Thread Barry
Hi Since using V4 I've been allowing myself to receive some HTML mail in full using the URL manager to allow only known senders. However, I've noticed that retrieving the graphics quite often slows to a crawl, the connection manager regularly reports download speeds for the URL 'l

Re[2]: Replying to HTML Mail

2005-09-15 Thread Lawrence Johnson
Thursday, September 15, 2005, 4:16:25 AM, you wrote: >> It's a new option in TB and is caused by you replying to HTML mail. >> Options -> Preferences -> Viewer/Editor -> Reply to HTML in plain text > This option does not solved the problem. I have already talk a

Re: Replying to HTML Mail

2005-09-15 Thread wilwilwil
> LJ> Has anyone seen this before and is there something about the senders > LJ> email that causes this? > > It's a new option in TB and is caused by you replying to HTML mail. > Options -> Preferences -> Viewer/Editor -> Reply to HTML in plain text > You c

Re: Replying to HTML Mail

2005-09-15 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Lawrence, On Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:54:21 -0500GMT (15-9-2005, 5:54 +0200, where I live), you wrote: LJ> Has anyone seen this before and is there something about the senders LJ> email that causes this? It's a new option in TB and is caused by you replying to HTML mail

Replying to HTML Mail

2005-09-14 Thread Lawrence Johnson
I noticed that when I reply to some received mail, it displays in the editor awkwardly as one huge unedittable block. I can't select the parts of the mail I want to retain in my reply. The block is either present or not. My signature appended to the end appears in some strange, almost colorless

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-06 Thread Chris
Thomas Fernandez @ 2005-Feb-5 10:18:57 PM "Remote Images in HTML mail?" <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > And if I whitelist the LH newsletter and then someone sends me a > webbug from that address (not difficult to fake a From header), it > is *my* risk. People who don'

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-06 Thread David Calvarese
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 at 11:22:51 -0600, Mary Bull wrote: M> How thoroughly do you filter, so that emails apparently from M> Amazon _cannot_ be spoofed? There is that... but we have to put a level of trust in someplace... MB>>> I like to get my "ads" from Amazon. However, if they sent

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-06 Thread Mary Bull
Hello David! On Sunday, February 06, 2005, 10:48 AM, you wrote: M How thoroughly do you filter, so that emails apparently from M Amazon _cannot_ be spoofed? >>> There is that... but we have to put a level of trust in someplace... MB>> I like to get my "ads" from Amazon. However, if they

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-06 Thread David Calvarese
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 at 21:29:57 -0600, Mary Bull wrote: M>>> How thoroughly do you filter, so that emails apparently from M>>> Amazon _cannot_ be spoofed? >> There is that... but we have to put a level of trust in someplace... MB> I like to get my "ads" from Amazon. However, if they sent me an MB

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-06 Thread David Calvarese
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 at 21:29:57 -0600, Mary Bull wrote: M>>> How thoroughly do you filter, so that emails apparently from M>>> Amazon _cannot_ be spoofed? >> There is that... but we have to put a level of trust in someplace... MB> I like to get my "ads" from Amazon. However, if they sent me an MB

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-06 Thread David Calvarese
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 at 06:38:24 -0500, Allie Martin wrote: AM> Fernandez wrote: GL>>> That said, you can retrieve the entire message, external images and GL>>> all, even in 1.62. All you have to do is double-click the icon for the GL>>> HTML page to open it in your default browser. So, if you want

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-06 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Mary! On Sunday, February 06, 2005, 6:47 AM, you wrote: >> It's a lovely day here, a bit chilly at the momnent, but I'm >> off to rake up the last two of the ten beds in the garden. I tend to >> take about two hours for each one as there are a lot of stones and I >> want to do it well. .

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-06 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Tony, On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 12:23:02 + GMT (06/02/2005, 19:23 +0700 GMT), Tony Boom wrote: TB> Like Thomas said, the users on this list are the elite of email users, TB> maybe a version of TB! just for us with a secret, non documented option TB> for true full blown html ability... Just

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-06 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Richard! On Sunday, February 06, 2005, 2:34 AM, you wrote: > It's a lovely day here, a bit chilly at the momnent, but I'm > off to rake up the last two of the ten beds in the garden. I tend to > take about two hours for each one as there are a lot of stones and I > want to do it well. . Y

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-06 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Allie! On Sunday, February 06, 2005, 5:48 AM, you wrote: >> I like to get my "ads" from Amazon. However, if they sent me an >> attachment, I would become quite wary. > Me too. The spammers know about Amazon sending ads and will send > fraudulent material. I get fraudulent stuff a lot conce

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-06 Thread Tony Boom
Hello Greg, A reminder of what Greg Strong on TBOT typed on: Sunday, February 06, 2005 at 04:45:40 GMT +0100 GS> I've seen this argument on TB lists for years. It seems to be an GS> ideological issue / opinion. Why can't you provide options and keep GS> everybody happy? Exactly. Not having

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-06 Thread Tony Boom
Hello Thomas, A reminder of what Thomas Fernandez on TBOT typed on: Sunday, February 06, 2005 at 04:29:44 GMT +0100 TF> TB's user demography will probably have a higher percentage of TF> computer savvy users than most other mailers, yet it nannies the users TF> more. Why is that? I can't st

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-06 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Allie, On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 06:38:24 -0500 GMT (06/02/2005, 18:38 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: AM> The interesting thing too is that if you open the message in your AM> browser, the risks are still there in terms of security and privacy. Persactly. So I must know what I am doing, otherwis

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-06 Thread Allie Martin
On Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 10:29:57 PM [GMT -0500], Mary Bull wrote: > I like to get my "ads" from Amazon. However, if they sent me an > attachment, I would become quite wary. Me too. The spammers know about Amazon sending ads and will send fraudulent material. I get fraudulent stuff a lot

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-06 Thread Allie Martin
On Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 10:22:59 PM [GMT -0500], Thomas Fernandez wrote: GL>> That said, you can retrieve the entire message, external images and GL>> all, even in 1.62. All you have to do is double-click the icon for the GL>> HTML page to open it in your default browser. So, if you want

Re[2]: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-06 Thread Richard Wakeford
Hello Mary, On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 you wrote in MB> And very well said. My .02 worth is to agree with all your points one MB> hundred per cent! and I'll just add a very strong "me to" here but it would have to be an option. MB> I think that the Smiley capability (also option

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-06 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Greg Strong & everyone else, on 06-Feb-2005 at 00:19 you (Greg Strong) wrote: >>> Giving away the IP address of the recipient when reading an HTML mail >>> with embedded images, providing feedback to spammers that the message >>> arrived. >> H..

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Greg! On Saturday, February 05, 2005, 9:45 PM, you wrote: MDP>>> That's one. There are others. Downloading *anything* at the behest of MDP>>> an *email* is fundamentally a security breach - it's not the way email MDP>>> is supposed to work. >> ..."was" supposed to work, I'd say. Welcome to

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Greg Strong
Hello Thomas, On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:37:57 +0700 GMT(2/5/2005, 9:37 PM -0600 GMT), per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thomas Fernandez wrote: MDP>> That's one. There are others. Downloading *anything* at the behest of MDP>> an *email* is fundamentally a security breach - it's not the way email MDP>> is su

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Greg Strong
Hello Thomas, On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 10:18:57 +0700 GMT(2/5/2005, 9:18 PM -0600 GMT), per mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thomas Fernandez wrote: > TB's user demography will probably have a higher percentage of > computer savvy users than most other mailers, yet it nannies the users > more. Why is that? This

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Marck, On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:37:16 + GMT (06/02/2005, 02:37 +0700 GMT), Marck D Pearlstone wrote: MDP> That's one. There are others. Downloading *anything* at the behest of MDP> an *email* is fundamentally a security breach - it's not the way email MDP> is supposed to work. ..."was" su

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Mary Bull
Hello David! On Saturday, February 05, 2005, 9:11 PM, you wrote: M>> How thoroughly do you filter, so that emails apparently from M>> Amazon _cannot_ be spoofed? > There is that... but we have to put a level of trust in someplace... I like to get my "ads" from Amazon. However, if they sent me a

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Geoff, On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 18:46:28 + GMT (06/02/2005, 01:46 +0700 GMT), Geoff Lane wrote: GL> I'm not saying for one moment that these things should not be GL> available for those who want it - just that you should have the option GL> to turn them off if you don't. Thanks, and I think

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Jernej, On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 19:40:35 +0100 GMT (06/02/2005, 01:40 +0700 GMT), Jernej Simoncic wrote: >> Thats the stuff I don't like either. Maybe a future TB function to download >> remote images should include a check that the URL does not contain an email >> address, or some other measure

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread David Calvarese
On Sun, 6 Feb 2005 at 02:22:58 +, MFPA wrote: M> Hi M> On Saturday 5 February 2005 at 2:29:09 PM, in M> , David Calvarese wrote: >> Even being able to take certain addresses as 'safe' to >> automaticly display the images for them. Like Amazon, I'm pretty >> sure their

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread MFPA
Hi On Saturday 5 February 2005 at 2:29:09 PM, in , David Calvarese wrote: > Even being able to take certain addresses as 'safe' to > automaticly display the images for them. Like Amazon, I'm pretty > sure their emails are safe. How thoroughly do you filter, so that email

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Mary Bull
Hello Greg! On Saturday, February 05, 2005, 5:19 PM, you wrote, in part: > Now having said that I will also state I'm a text based email advocate > because I do understand that HTML email increases risk. I read all email > in plain text. I don't know of any statistics on TB users, but would > ten

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Greg Strong
these lists before. Seeing them waged in the past I don't know if you can ever declare a winner because they really boil down to opinions. Putting this aside I am for TB being able to embed images in HTML mail, downloading images, etc., provided it is provided as an option where the default optio

RE: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Jurgen Haug
Hello Tony, Saturday, February 5, 2005, 8:02:09 PM, you wrote: > A reminder of what Thomas Fernandez on TBOT typed on: > Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 15:17:35 GMT +0100 TF>> But then, I still fail to see why "sexually implicit" movies are so TF>> heavily regulated (how can they hurt anyon

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
the recipient when reading an HTML mail > with embedded images, providing feedback to spammers that the message > arrived. H... I cannot see why that is a security risk. > That's one. There are others. Downloading *anything* at the behest of > an *email* is fundamentally a secu

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
re HTML (not javascript, and not ActiveX, either). Giving away the IP address of the recipient when reading an HTML mail with embedded images, providing feedback to spammers that the message arrived. That's one. There are others. Downloading *anything* at the behest of an *email* is fundame

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Tony Boom
Hello Thomas, A reminder of what Thomas Fernandez on TBOT typed on: Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 15:17:35 GMT +0100 TF> But then, I still fail to see why "sexually implicit" movies are so TF> heavily regulated (how can they hurt anyone?), like PG18, while TF> violent movies are often rated

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Tony Boom
Hello Chris, A reminder of what Chris on TBOT typed on: Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 14:53:36 GMT +0100 C> It can though. OK, I'll play along. C> 1) Your kid gets porn spam. Would you rather have the images show up C> right away or only after asked so he or she can delete it without C> s

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Geoff Lane
On 05 February 2005, 18:08, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: > But it doesn't disqualify HTML email either just because one or the other > programmer screwed up and built code vulnerable to attacks. I have trust in > RITlabs to make their code as best as possible. ~~~ FWIW, I strongly suspect that Micros

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Tony Boom
Hello Geoff, A reminder of what Geoff Lane on TBOT typed on: Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 13:46:24 GMT +0100 GL> So, yes, displaying html images direct from the web in e-mail can hurt. You maybe, not me though. -- Tony. The Bat! 3.0.2.10 Registered Linux user #316959 :gento

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Geoff Lane
On 05 February 2005, 14:07, Thomas Fernandez wrote: GL>> FWIW, I didn't claim it to be either a security or a privacy issue - GL>> just something that I don't want. > Others may want it. It is requested as an option only. GL>> However, there are known security issues with html images that can GL

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Jernej Simoncic
On Saturday, February 5, 2005, 19:01:54, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: > Thats the stuff I don't like either. Maybe a future TB function to download > remote images should include a check that the URL does not contain an email > address, or some other measure to prevent web bugs. It doesn't have to be

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Geoff Lane & everyone else, on 05-Feb-2005 at 14:15 you (Geoff Lane) wrote: > FWIW, I didn't claim it to be either a security or a privacy issue - > just something that I don't want. Neither do I, but it doesn't disqualify HTML email as a whole. > However, there are known security issues

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Chris & everyone else, on 05-Feb-2005 at 14:48 you (Chris) wrote: > 2) Web bugs allow e-mailers to track who read what message when. This > is normally done be embedding an image with a source like this: > http://www.flybynight.com/scripts/[EMAIL PROTECTED]&msgid=AD57 Thats the stuff I don

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Melissa Reese
Hi Alexander, On Saturday, February 05, 2005, at 2:08:06 AM PST, you wrote: >>> This and HTML mail as standard when you start a new mail. >> No, sorry, this would let many people go away. > Should be made configurable. Whats the problem with a switch that > defines the d

RE: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Jurgen Haug
Hello David, Saturday, February 5, 2005, 3:20:50 PM, you wrote: > If I recall Netscape/Mozilla mail used to have the option in the > address book for tagging contacts as 'This person prefers plain text > email' or 'this person prefers HTML email' or 'Send Both'. Something > along those lines wo

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Allie Martin
ot;download images > now". This is one feature in ThunderBird that makes it more pleasant to read mail with. By default, it doesn't retrieve graphics or other data in HTML mail. However, at the click of a button, you can do this right there in the viewer. -- Cheers, -= Allie =- .

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread David Calvarese
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 at 14:33:26 +0100, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK> on 05-Feb-2005 at 12:24 you (Marck D Pearlstone) wrote: >> Preferences..Viewer/Editor..Default message/text editor. ASK> D'oh - its already there... :-) ASK> What we need now is some solution for the remote images, as described

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Allie Martin
On Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 5:32:21 AM [GMT -0500], Thorvald Neumann wrote: > I am fully aware of the security risks of HTML emails. Others are not. If retrieving data from the Internet is toggled off for HTML mail, how does this make ThunderBird or Becky or any other similar clie

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread David Calvarese
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 at 12:48:31 +, Geoff Lane wrote: GL> On 05 February 2005, 10:46, Tony Boom wrote: >> To be honest, I'm easy either way. I have no problem with displaying html >> images direct from the web in email, it can't hurt can it? GL> ~~~ GL> I, for one, am very glad that TB won't

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread David Calvarese
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 at 12:52:44 +0100, Jurgen Haug wrote: JH>>> yeah that would be nice, it would have made me convert some people JH>>> to TB! This and HTML mail as standard when you start a new mail. >> Preferences..Viewer/Editor..Default message/text editor. >&g

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread David Calvarese
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 at 22:02:41 +1100, Ian A. White wrote: IAW> Thorvald, IAW> On Saturday, February 5, 2005, 9:34:50 PM, you (Thorvald Neumann) wrote: TN>> Hæ! TN>> Saturday, February 5, 2005, 11:13, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: >>> Decide whats best for you, and let other people decide whats best

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Geoff, On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:15:35 + GMT (05/02/2005, 20:15 +0700 GMT), Geoff Lane wrote: GL> FWIW, I didn't claim it to be either a security or a privacy issue - GL> just something that I don't want. Others may want it. It is requested as an option only. GL> However, there are known

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Chris, On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 08:48:19 -0500 GMT (05/02/2005, 20:48 +0700 GMT), Chris wrote: C> 1) Your kid gets porn spam. Would you rather have the images show up C> right away or only after asked so he or she can delete it without C> seeing the images. I'm impressed about your kids. Dependi

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread David Calvarese
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 at 11:08:06 +0100, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK> on 05-Feb-2005 at 09:16 you (Thorvald Neumann) wrote: >>> This and HTML mail as standard when you start a new mail. >> No, sorry, this would let many people go away. ASK> Should be made configurable. Wha

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread David Calvarese
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 at 09:16:42 +0100, Thorvald Neumann wrote: TN> Hæ! TN> Saturday, February 5, 2005, 08:09, Jurgen Haug wrote: >> This and HTML mail as standard when you start a new mail. TN> No, sorry, this would let many people go away. TN> HTML should not be used for e

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread David Calvarese
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 at 10:33:53 +0100, Thorvald Neumann wrote: TN> Hæ! TN> Saturday, February 5, 2005, 10:25, Mic Cullen wrote: >> Sometimes it's extremely useful. Rarely, but when you need it, you >> really need it. TN> No, sorry. I do not see any sense in using HTML for emails at all. I see mo

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread David Calvarese
On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 at 10:33:53 +0100, Thorvald Neumann wrote: TN> Hæ! TN> Saturday, February 5, 2005, 10:25, Mic Cullen wrote: >> Sometimes it's extremely useful. Rarely, but when you need it, you >> really need it. TN> No, sorry. I do not see any sense in using HTML for emails at all. I see mo

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread David Calvarese
t;> Yeah, I know that. He wants to be able to open the images right in >> the menu pane like Thunderbird or Pocomail does. JH> yeah that would be nice, it would have made me convert some JH> people to TB! This and HTML mail as standard when you start a new JH> mail. Each time I

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Chris
Tony Boom @ 2005-Feb-5 5:46:23 AM "Remote Images in HTML mail?" <mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To be honest, I'm easy either way. I have no problem with displaying html > images direct from the web in email, it can't hurt can it? It can though. 1) Your kid gets

RE: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Jurgen Haug
Hello Cristina, Saturday, February 5, 2005, 2:02:33 PM, you wrote: > On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, at 08:09:50 [GMT +0100] (which was 7:09 where I > live) you wrote: >> yeah that would be nice, it would have made me convert some >> people to TB! This and HTML mail as standard wh

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Geoff Lane
On 05 February 2005, 12:52, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: >> External images can be used for malevolent purposes. For example, as >> web beacons to track your usage, or for spammers to verify your e-mail >> address. So, yes, displaying html images direct from the web in e-mail >> can hurt. > This is a

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Marck D Pearlstone & everyone else, on 05-Feb-2005 at 12:24 you (Marck D Pearlstone) wrote: > Preferences..Viewer/Editor..Default message/text editor. D'oh - its already there... :-) What we need now is some solution for the remote images, as described in https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.p

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Alexander, On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 13:52:05 +0100 GMT (05/02/2005, 19:52 +0700 GMT), Alexander S. Kunz wrote: >> External images can be used for malevolent purposes. For example, as >> web beacons to track your usage, or for spammers to verify your e-mail >> address. So, yes, displaying html ima

Re[2]: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Cristina Ramos
Hello Jurgen, On Sat, 5 Feb 2005, at 08:09:50 [GMT +0100] (which was 7:09 where I live) you wrote: > yeah that would be nice, it would have made me convert some > people to TB! This and HTML mail as standard when you start a new > mail. Each time I show collegues TB! (am the only one u

RE: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Jurgen Haug
Hello Alexander, Saturday, February 5, 2005, 1:52:05 PM, you wrote: > This is a privacy, not a security issue. For that very reason the wish to > add a sender to a list of "trusted senders" from whom remote images are > allowed exists. Or a simple menu entry "download images now". :good: that's

RE: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Jurgen Haug
Hello Roelof, Saturday, February 5, 2005, 1:43:15 PM, you wrote: > On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:46:44 +0100GMT (5-2-2005, 12:46 +0100, where I > live), you wrote: JH>> But I didn't buy TB! to communicate with TB!-users. > Neither did I and I still haven't decided whether it's an advantage or > a disa

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Geoff Lane & everyone else, on 05-Feb-2005 at 13:48 you (Geoff Lane) wrote: > External images can be used for malevolent purposes. For example, as > web beacons to track your usage, or for spammers to verify your e-mail > address. So, yes, displaying html images direct from the web in e-mai

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Geoff Lane
On 05 February 2005, 10:46, Tony Boom wrote: > To be honest, I'm easy either way. I have no problem with displaying html > images direct from the web in email, it can't hurt can it? ~~~ I, for one, am very glad that TB won't display external images, and it's the main reason why I was prepared t

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Thorvald Neumann & everyone else, on 05-Feb-2005 at 11:32 you (Thorvald Neumann) wrote: > I am fully aware of the security risks of HTML emails. Could you name one, please. Talking about security, not privacy. Talking about pure HTML (not javascript, and not ActiveX, either). -- Best reg

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Jurgen, On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 12:46:44 +0100GMT (5-2-2005, 12:46 +0100, where I live), you wrote: JH> But I didn't buy TB! to communicate with TB!-users. Neither did I and I still haven't decided whether it's an advantage or a disadvantage that it enables me to do so. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelo

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Thorvald, On Sat, 5 Feb 2005 10:33:53 +0100 GMT (05/02/2005, 16:33 +0700 GMT), Thorvald Neumann wrote: >> Sometimes it's extremely useful. Rarely, but when you need it, you >> really need it. TN> No, sorry. I do not see any sense in using HTML for emails at all. Thanks for your opinion. I

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Mic Cullen
At 13:05 [GMT+0100] on Saturday February 5 (actual time - 8:05pm on Saturday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: >> No, I don't want the world to see it. Thorvald> A website does not imply it's accessible to the whole world. This is getting ridiculous, but if I want people (of var

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Thorvald Neumann
Hæ! Saturday, February 5, 2005, 12:50, Mic Cullen wrote: > No, I don't want the world to see it. A website does not imply it's accessible to the whole world. -- Kveðja, Thorvald Neumann | | The Bat! v3.0.2.10 Professional & K9 v1.28 | Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195)

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Mic Cullen
At 12:52 [GMT+0100] on Saturday February 5 (actual time - 7:52pm on Saturday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: Jurgen> And better support for HTML mail. But I think they're working on that. Indeed - being able to save a template as HTML would be a real time-saver for me. (Ev

RE: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Jurgen Haug
Hello Marck, Saturday, February 5, 2005, 12:24:38 PM, you wrote: JH>> yeah that would be nice, it would have made me convert some people JH>> to TB! This and HTML mail as standard when you start a new mail. > Preferences..Viewer/Editor..Default message/text editor. > Enjoy.

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Mic Cullen
At 11:33 [GMT+0100] on Saturday February 5 (actual time - 6:33pm on Saturday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: >> If I send out a weekly schedule to the people I work for/with, being >> able to >> colour-code the different sports/teams I'm covering that week is >> incredibly >> u

RE: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Jurgen Haug
Hello Tony, Saturday, February 5, 2005, 11:46:23 AM, you wrote: > To be honest, I'm easy either way. I have no problem with displaying html > images direct from the web in email, it can't hurt can it? > It's just so many people are against it. so many people *on here* are against it. But I

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Marck D Pearlstone
ld have made me convert some people JH> to TB! This and HTML mail as standard when you start a new mail. Preferences..Viewer/Editor..Default message/text editor. Enjoy. (Or shudder, as I do). -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1

Re: RE: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Thorvald Neumann
Hæ! Saturday, February 5, 2005, 11:45, Jurgen Haug wrote: > so you tell me you know better than me what is going on in the kind > of industry *I* am working? Read my sentence again. I did not say that. It's your interpretation. -- Kveðja, Thorvald Neumann | | The Bat! v3.

RE: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Jurgen Haug
Hello Thorvald, Saturday, February 5, 2005, 11:37:16 AM, you wrote: > Hæ! > Saturday, February 5, 2005, 11:19, Jurgen Haug wrote: >> b) professionally, in the industry I'm working, like it or not, HTML >> mail is a must. > Sorry, I disagree. > I am using ema

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Tony Boom
Hello Jurgen, A reminder of what Jurgen Haug on TBOT typed on: Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 11:20:36 GMT +0100 JH> And if even so, so what? To be honest, I'm easy either way. I have no problem with displaying html images direct from the web in email, it can't hurt can it? It's just so

RE: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Jurgen Haug
Hello Thorvald, Saturday, February 5, 2005, 11:32:21 AM, you wrote: > Hæ! > Saturday, February 5, 2005, 11:14, Jurgen Haug wrote: >> exactly. but for some this is a religious matter, I guess. > No, it is not. [snip] > The people who created Outlook should be crucified IMO. no comment necess

Re: RE: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Thorvald Neumann
Hæ! Saturday, February 5, 2005, 11:19, Jurgen Haug wrote: > b) professionally, in the industry I'm working, like it or not, HTML > mail is a must. Sorry, I disagree. I am using emails professionally since 1994. And I have never seen an industry/company where HTML is a *must*.

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Thorvald Neumann
Hæ! Saturday, February 5, 2005, 11:13, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: > Decide whats best for you, and let other people decide whats best for > them... Yes, sure. But I hate to see TB having the HTML mode on as a default. Because I am "educating" my clients to use plain text emails, preferably with T

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Thorvald Neumann
Hæ! Saturday, February 5, 2005, 10:47, Mic Cullen wrote: > If I send out a weekly schedule to the people I work for/with, being able > to > colour-code the different sports/teams I'm covering that week is > incredibly > useful, so that what I'm doing and for whom and when can be very qu

Re: RE: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Thorvald Neumann
Hæ! Saturday, February 5, 2005, 11:14, Jurgen Haug wrote: > exactly. but for some this is a religious matter, I guess. No, it is not. I am fully aware of the security risks of HTML emails. Others are not. I am quite glad TB does not allow those "features" to be "used". The people who created O

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Jurgen Haug & everyone else, on 05-Feb-2005 at 11:19 you (Jurgen Haug) wrote: > ASCII-evangelists LOL!! -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) The errors to avoid are those that eliminate opportunities to try again. -- Lazar Goldberg

RE: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Jurgen Haug
general rule that everyone writing with TB! has to using pink backgrounds animated cartoons and blinking text everywhere. But a) for me *personally* it would be so much better if I'd have TB! with full HTML capability b) professionally, in the industry I'm working, like it or not, HT

RE: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Jurgen Haug
Hello Alexander, Saturday, February 5, 2005, 11:08:06 AM, you wrote: > Hello Thorvald Neumann & everyone else, > on 05-Feb-2005 at 09:16 you (Thorvald Neumann) wrote: >>> This and HTML mail as standard when you start a new mail. >> No, sorry, this would let many peo

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Thorvald Neumann & everyone else, on 05-Feb-2005 at 10:33 you (Thorvald Neumann) wrote: >> Sometimes it's extremely useful. Rarely, but when you need it, you >> really need it. > No, sorry. I do not see any sense in using HTML for emails at all. Decide whats best for you, and let other pe

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Tony Boom
Hello Jurgen, A reminder of what Jurgen Haug on TBOT typed on: Saturday, February 05, 2005 at 10:46:19 GMT +0100 JH> we will see what Ritlabs will do in future. Can you imagine what TBOT AKA "The Cartoon Network" would be like if TB! had full blown html capability? -- Tony. The Bat! 3

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Thorvald Neumann & everyone else, on 05-Feb-2005 at 09:16 you (Thorvald Neumann) wrote: >> This and HTML mail as standard when you start a new mail. > No, sorry, this would let many people go away. Should be made configurable. Whats the problem with a switch that define

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Mic Cullen
At 10:33 [GMT+0100] on Saturday February 5 (actual time - 5:33pm on Saturday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: Thorvald> Saturday, February 5, 2005, 10:25, Mic Cullen wrote: >> Sometimes it's extremely useful. Rarely, but when you need it, you >> really need it. Thorvald> No, sorry. I do n

RE: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Jurgen Haug
Hello Thorvald, Saturday, February 5, 2005, 10:33:53 AM, you wrote: > Saturday, February 5, 2005, 10:25, Mic Cullen wrote: >> Sometimes it's extremely useful. Rarely, but when you need it, you >> really need it. > No, sorry. I do not see any sense in using HTML for emails at all. we will see w

Re: Remote Images in HTML mail?

2005-02-05 Thread Thorvald Neumann
Hæ! Saturday, February 5, 2005, 10:25, Mic Cullen wrote: > Sometimes it's extremely useful. Rarely, but when you need it, you > really need it. No, sorry. I do not see any sense in using HTML for emails at all. -- Kveðja, Thorvald Neumann | | The Bat! v3.0.2.10 Profession

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