Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject here

[Allie Martin]

On Thu, 3 Feb 2000 23:06:38 -0800, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

 Did you try address auto-view? Ctrl-Shift-O.

 Well, that is better than the Kludges, so thank you.  But it is still
 not as convenient as it could be.  Now if we could dock that toolbar
 on the window somewhere, that might do the trick, but you can not
 isolate what field the address was in.  But that's relatively minor.

I had almost forgotten about that. Not bad in truth but
there's no way to easily add an address to the address book using it
is there?

The other thing is that again I have to make an appeal for
some consistency in functionality here!! If I have the message
autoview/preview window open, select a message which is displayed, and
then hit Ctrl+Shift+O, the message autoview window comes up with the
address information displayed for the message. But I don't use the
message autoview/preview window. Now if I double click on a message
and display the message body in a view folder window and then hit
Ctrl+Shift+O, an empty address autoview window appears. It's only when
I navigate to the next message that the addresses are displayed in
address autoview. A tad annoying . when something works with
message previewing and then doesn't work when you *really* open the
message. :(

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Message autoview window (was Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject here)

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Allie,

On  04 February 2000  at  04:36:43 GMT  -0500 (which was 09:36 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points:

AMThe other thing is that again I have to make an appeal for some
AM consistency   in  functionality  here!!  If  I  have  the  message
AM autoview/preview window open, select a message which is displayed,
AM and  then  hit  Ctrl+Shift+O, the message autoview window comes up
AM with  the  address  information  displayed  for the message. But I
AM don't  use  the  message  autoview/preview window. Now if I double
AM click  on  a message and display the message body in a view folder
AM window and then hit Ctrl+Shift+O, an empty address autoview window
AM appears.  It's  only  when I navigate to the next message that the
AM addresses  are displayed in address autoview. A tad annoying .
AM when something works with message previewing and then doesn't work
AM when you *really* open the message. :(

I  see  that,  but OTOH use the address auto-view a bit differently. I
keep it open constantly while reviewing mail in my virtual mail folder
...  you  know,  the one behind the ticker ;-). Why? Because following
Leif's  stroke  of brilliance in setting up the rogues gallery site, I
now  have entries with photos for many members of the list (as well as
for  my personal contacts). This gives e-mail a staggeringly different
feel in real time. It's like a static video-phone conversation. I love
it!

This has diverted the topic a bit.

Back  on topic - yes, there is a usability hole as you have described.
IMHO, a quick Ctrl-Shift-K; grab the bit you want; Ctrl-Shift-K; carry
on;  does mean that an address grabbing facility isn't *missing*, just
not as easily accessible as it could be.

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Re: Show from during download

[Clemens 'Gullevek' Schwaighofer]

Hello Mark,

Sunday, January 30, 2000, 6:20:32 PM, Mark Aston wrote:


 Hi Clemens,

 Sunday, January 30, 2000, 4:55:36 PM, you wrote:

CGS   Especially when I get very big mails (2MB) I'd like to know, who is
CGS   the sender. So is it possible to show from during download. Cause it
CGS   is in the header, it is the first thing to be downloaded and it might
CGS   be nice, if TheBat would show this during download, so I might cancel
CGS   it, when i get a big mail from someone I don't want to get it from, so
CGS   I can delete it through web interface.

 The   way   I   achieve   this,   is  to  set  the  maximum  size  in
 Account|Properties  Mail  Management, set to leave on server, download
 header  only.  Then  if  you  don't  want  the  message  you  can  use
 Account|Dispatch Mail On Server to delete it.
 HTH

The last time I did this, I lost the whole mail. Neither did I have it
in my INBOX, nor it was left on my POP server ... So I don' trust it ...

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Re: Message autoview window (was Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject here)

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Allie,

On  04 February 2000  at  05:27:50 GMT  -0500 (which was 10:27 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points:

 I  keep  it open constantly while reviewing mail in my virtual mail
 folder ... you know, the one behind the ticker ;-).

AM   Hehehehehe.  A  stranger  passing by would be impressed with
AM your  screen there Marck, especially if new mail has arrived. Main
AM window, view folder, address autoview window with picture all open
AM with  this  ticker  thingy  scrolling across the screen. Aren't we
AM enjoying ourselves over there? g

Yes  -  very  much so - with one minor correction to the scenario. The
ticker  is  unimportant  to  me  as  a  screen  entity. With 50+ mails
arriving  every  couple  of hours, what the ticker has to say to me is
just  about irrelevant. I have it set up as a 3cm rectangle toward the
lower  RHS of the screen - there only so that I can double-click it to
access  the new mail virtual folder behind it and get on with the real
task of reading the stuff.

AM I don't mind doing that at all and that's what I've been
AM doing. I was just indicating to all (especially Ritlabs) that there is
AM an inconsistency in function.


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Re: Message autoview window (was Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject here)

[Allie Martin]

On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 10:59:24 +, Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:

 Yes  -  very  much so - with one minor correction to the scenario.
 The ticker  is  unimportant  to  me  as  a  screen  entity. With 50+
 mails arriving  every  couple  of hours, what the ticker has to say
 to me is just  about irrelevant. I have it set up as a 3cm rectangle
 toward the lower  RHS of the screen - there only so that I can
 double-click it to access  the new mail virtual folder behind it and
 get on with the real task of reading the stuff.

It would be nice if that address autoview window was made
dockable like the quick search applet and toolbars. There's space on
the main window to accomodate it if you one doesn't use the preview
pane or have the preview pane full width. ;) If it's docked into the
main window, it wouldn't have to be fighting for it's own screen real
estate, staying on top of everything in site (it's only useful when
always on top). Just a thought. Don't really know how practical it is.

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Re: Message autoview window (was Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject here)

[Tony Boom]

This message: 04/02/2000 11:19 GMT.



  Hello Allie,

  Friday, February 04, 2000, 10:27:50 AM, you wrote:

  Why? Because
 following Leif's  stroke  of brilliance in setting up the rogues
 gallery site, I now  have entries with photos for many members of
 the list (as well as for  my personal contacts).


  So  where  does one find this rogues gallery and how does one submit a
  photo?


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Re: Message autoview window (was Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject here)

[Allie Martin]

On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:20:07 +, Tony Boom wrote:

 So  where  does one find this rogues gallery and how does one submit
 a  photo?

http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/rogues.shtml

Enjoy! I wouldn't mind seeing some more faces there. Tracer needs to
get a new photo. He's all stretched out there. Dennis' is hopeless. :)

But believe me, it's a real eye opener, especially when some realize
that I am male. :)))

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Re: Message autoview window (was Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject here)

[Steve Lamb]

On Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 06:26:18AM -0500, Allie Martin wrote:
 But believe me, it's a real eye opener, especially when some realize
 that I am male. :)))

I'd send in a pic but then some people would have to face up to the fact I
might be human.  I dunno if they could handle that.  :)

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OT was Re[2]: Message autoview window (was Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject here)

[Oleg Zalyalov]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Friday, February 04, 2000, Steve Lamb wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] about
Message autoview window (was Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject here):

SL I'd send in a pic but then some people would have to face up to the fact I
SL might be human.  I dunno if they could handle that.  :)

They will think that you have sent a pic of innocent human eaten by you.

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Re: Message autoview window (was Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject here)

[Allie Martin]

On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 03:34:21 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:

 I'd send in a pic but then some people would have to face up to
 the fact I might be human.  I dunno if they could handle that.  :)

R..O..T..F..L..M..A..O

*wiping away the tears*. I think I could just manage. :)

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Re: OT was Re[2]: Message autoview window (was Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject here)

[Steve Lamb]

Friday, February 04, 2000, 3:43:31 AM, Oleg wrote:
 They will think that you have sent a pic of innocent human eaten by you.

Exactly.  "Ah, so that was Steve's last victim."

"What did he do?"

"Didn't follow RFC822."

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Re: Message autoview window (was Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject here)

[Marck D. Pearlstone]

Hi Allie,

On  04 February 2000  at  06:26:18 GMT  -0500 (which was 11:26 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points:

 So  where  does one find this rogues gallery and

AM http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/rogues.shtml

 how does one submit a photo?

by  e-mail  to  Leif  Gregory  (our  illustrious  moderator-in-chief).
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]%3e?Subject=Rogues%20Gallery

AM Enjoy! I wouldn't mind seeing some more faces there.

Agreed.

AM Tracer needs to get a new photo. He's all stretched out there.

Resize  tracer's  photo  +50% width-wise and enjoy! (sorry tracer, but
you certainly look less pointy-headed that way g).

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Parked, so to speak.

[rellieb-jean]

Dear Batlist

Is there a way to move 'Parked' messages to another folder without
losing their parked status on arrival?

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Re: Message autoview window (was Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject here)

[Tony Boom]

This message: 04/02/2000 13:07 GMT.


  Friday, February 04, 2000, 11:34:21 AM, you wrote:

SL I'd send in a pic but then some people would have to face up to the fact I
SL might be human.  I dunno if they could handle that.  :)


  Well  I've  just sent in my photo in, so some people are just going to
  have  to realize they may not be as good looking as they first thought
  they were :)


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Re: Parked, so to speak.

[Tony Boom]

This message: 04/02/2000 12:28 GMT.



  Hello rellieb-jean,

  Friday, February 04, 2000, 11:41:04 AM, you wrote:

rj Is there a way to move 'Parked' messages to another folder without
rj losing their parked status on arrival?


  I just un park them, move them to the folder I want and then park them
  again.
  


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Re: Hotmail thru Bat! ?

[Angel]

On Thursday, February 03, 2000 at 23:34:12 , rellieb-jean scribbled:

rj  Is it possible to pick up email from Hotmail, using Bat!?
AFAIK, no. Hotmail does not offer POP3 access from other email programs.
It *does*, however, offer to *Retrieve* email via POP3 from up to 4 other accounts.
But Hotmail is strictly a web-based email service.

If  you  want,  I know of some good "free email" services offered on the WWW which 
include POP3 and
Forwarding. Email me :D


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Re: Message autoview window (was Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject here)

[Tony Boom]

This message: 04/02/2000 14:07 GMT.


  Friday, February 04, 2000, 11:26:18 AM, Allie wrote:

AM Enjoy! I wouldn't mind seeing some more faces there. Tracer needs to
AM get a new photo. He's all stretched out there


  Thanks  for  the  info.  I've just had a look. That Leif chap is a bit
  quick,  I  only  sent  my  mug  shot  a few minutes ago and it's there
  already.

  The  more  I  read  on this list, the more I realize that under normal
  circumstances  I  only make use of a very small percentage of what TB!
  is capable of.

  I  got  the  impression from an earlier posting, that it's possible to
  display  the  gallery  photos  while  reading  the postings from their
  respective owner. Is it possible and if so how?

  Also,  in  the  To column, how do you get it to read 'Tony on TB!UDL'?
  When  I  reply it just displays the persons name who wrote the message
  I'm  replying  to.  Fine  if  I was replying personally but not to the
  group.

  By the way, I see what you mean about Tracer. Are we sure that's not a
  true likeness though? :-)


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Re: Message autoview window (was Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject here)

[Allie Martin]

On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 14:20:52 +, Tony Boom wrote:

   Thanks  for  the  info.  I've just had a look. That Leif chap is a bit
   quick,  I  only  sent  my  mug  shot  a few minutes ago and it's there
   already.

So, I've noticed. I recognize that photo from your website.

   I  got  the  impression from an earlier posting, that it's possible to
   display  the  gallery  photos  while  reading  the postings from their
   respective owner. Is it possible and if so how?

Save the rogue image to disk. Add the persons address book to
your address book. Now open the address book and go into the address
book entry properties for the person. Hit the change button under
where the photo should be and navigate to the photo. Whenever you have
a message from that person open and you open the address autoview
window (View|Message autoview), the persons address and photo will
appear. Neat actually. As unique as the ticker it would appear. :)

   Also,  in  the  To column, how do you get it to read 'Tony on TB!UDL'?
   When  I  reply it just displays the persons name who wrote the message
   I'm  replying  to.  Fine  if  I was replying personally but not to the
   group.

In your reply template place the following:

%TO=""%TO="%OFROMFNAME on TB!UDL [EMAIL PROTECTED]"

   By the way, I see what you mean about Tracer. Are we sure that's not a
   true likeness though? :-)

LOL! I don't think so although on resizing the image, I think
he would prefer if he *did* look that way. LOL!

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Re: Message autoview window

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Hello Tony, 

For those of you who didn't like my tiara, I edited it out in the new
pic on the rogues gallery. grin



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Re: Message autoview window (was Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject here)

[Peter Steiner]

On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 03:34:21 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:

 I'd send in a pic but then some people would have to face up to the fact I
 might be human.  I dunno if they could handle that.  :)

We'll see that you're human, but will we also be able to look at
that SQUID device (or what was it called in that "I'm your priest,
I'm your shrink, I'm your main connection to the switchboard of
souls" movie?) on your head ? ;-))

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Re: Message autoview window

[Angel]

On Friday, February 04, 2000 at 07:27:19 , Leif scribbled:

LG For those of you who didn't like my tiara, I edited it out in the new
LG pic on the rogues gallery. grin
I thought the tiara was cute!  hehe
Does anyone know where my halo got to?
Ok Leif...what'd you do with it.. G

pt...  TY  TY  TY Allie for posting that macroline for the Reply Template. I'd 
lost the email it
was originally posted in.  Works like a charm! :D

Regards,
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Re: OT was Re[2]: Message autoview window (was Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject here)

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 4 Feb 00, at 15:43, Oleg Zalyalov wrote
about "OT was Re[2]: Message autoview window":

 Friday, February 04, 2000, Steve Lamb wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] about
 Message autoview window (was Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject 
here):
 
 SL I'd send in a pic but then some people would have to face up to the fact I
 SL might be human.  I dunno if they could handle that.  :)
 
 They will think that you have sent a pic of innocent human eaten by you.

And now it's really ROTFLMAO!

P.S. Although I have to admit that Steve has been strangely silent during the 
last days... You see, I'm reading the list's traffic, GEE! a message requiring a 
popup, or reminder, or whatever -- God save us, there's going to be an 
outburst of Steve's -- but nope, nothing of the kind... Steve, have you been 
cured somehow?;-)

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Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject here

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 3 Feb 00, at 23:04, Paula Ford wrote
about "Re: If I was creative there would be...":

  OK, you are now unto something. :) Both Agent and X-News have a
  feature that I think would provide you with your solution. They both
  allow you to view, in the body of your messages, aspects of the
  Kludges that may interest the user...

Pegasus allows this, too (I've sent a JPG of how it works a couple of days 
ago...), and it's configurable (via a resource compiler;-)), too... But *I* 
personally prefer the way TB works. I prefer it to be displayed in a special 
place rather to be a part of the message text, where I now and then need to 
scroll solely to get hold of this information...

  I have been thinking of making a wish request that the header
  information be placed in the message body text area with a line
  separator, for some time for two reasons:-
 
 I made this feature request myself shortly after getting TB, because
 most mailers I have used or tried (except GW, of course) displayed or
 had an option to display to a short header at the top of the message
 itself.  After all the time I've used TB, I still don't like the way it
 displays the header information. To me, it just takes up alot of screen
 space and, in general, looks clunky, but, more important, is Januk's
 point that there's no functionality to the thing. 

Then, just add the functionality to the existing thing: no need to redesign it up 
to the ground... Add a button or whatever to that section of the pane, where 
TB puts the selected header fields, for example, that would make it possible to 
work with it.

 RIT added the ability to copy from the header display shortly after a round
 of discussion on the TBUDL, but it's still pretty awkward. I routinely deal
 with received messages that have long, complex kludges where I have to
 capture an address for some purpose that can't be done through templates. 

You've got regexps now;-) _Exactly_ for this, IMO

 In any event, I think Januk has made a useful point that some easier way
 of capturing addresses from the headers to use in email messages or add
 to the address book or simply copy somewhere would be a worthwhile
 improvement.

My point, also. But this doesn't imply that the way the selected headers are 
displayed must be changed to the ineffective (IMHO) way the other MUAs 
work.

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Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject here

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 3 Feb 00, at 21:46, Allie Martin wrote
about "Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject here":

> Take for example X-News. I have set it up to display Kludge
> information in the message body using a different font and colour from
> that used by the message body. This is what it looks like:
> 
>   From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steven C. Den Beste)
>   Subject: Re: Win2K and OS/2 (Seti@Home)
>   X-Newsreader: Forte Agent 1.7/32.534
>   Newsgroups: stardock.os2
> 
> Agent does the same but a line separator follows which makes it
> elegant. :)

Here's how Pegasus does it:

Date sent:  	Thu, 3 Feb 2000 21:46:44  -0500
From:   	Allie Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply to:   	[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization:   	E-mailaholics Int'l
To: 	Januk on TB!UDL [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject:	Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject here

(BTW, Allie, what did you do with the X-Mailer field???;-))

or:

Date sent:  	Tue, 1 Feb 2000 16:47:14 +0900
From:   	John De Hoog [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Mailed by:  	The Bat! (v1.41 / Beta1) Personal
Reply to:   	John De Hoog [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Organization:   	Tokyo
To: 	"Alexander V. Kiselev" [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Copies to:  	Stan Polozov [EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject:	Re[2]: Success with Japanese

But anyhow, I don't like how it works, I personally prefer how TB shows this  information, separated from the message text.


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Re: Message autoview window

[Allie Martin]

On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 07:40:59 -0800, Angel wrote:

 pt...  TY  TY  TY Allie for posting that macroline for the Reply
 Template. I'd lost the email it was originally posted in.  Works
 like a charm! :D

Your welcome. BTW, you have my vote for the best rogue photo.
Denis has my vote for the  Uhm. what is he on there? A horse
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Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject here

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On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 18:45:04 +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:

 (BTW, Allie, what did you do with the X-Mailer field???;-))

You're a seton. Check again. :)))

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Re[2]: Parked, so to speak.

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Friday, February 04, 2000, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] about
Parked, so to speak.:

 Does it make sense to anyone?
AVK Nope, for me it doesn't.
I meant did anyone understood my post. :(

AVK I'd better have a clear "make read-only" feature. I really hardly
AVK understand what this "parked" word means, frankly speaking;-)
I  think  you mean 'undeletable' flag? What then should happen to this
flagged  'undeletable'  or  'readonly' message if it has been moved to
Trash  folder?  'Parking' now means that message should reside to this
very  folder  and  can not be moved (including deleted) from folder to
anywhere (including Trash folder) accidentally.

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Re: Outgoing messages in HTML (!)

[Julio Juncal]

Hello Alexander,

On Thursday, February 03, 2000, you wrote:

 Hi there!

 On 3 Feb 00, at 17:34, Julio Juncal wrote
 about "Outgoing messages in HTML (!)":

 I am writing messages to mailing lists in what I think is plain texts.
 But they come back in HTML. Not all of them, but some.

 How can this be?

 This cannot be;-) TB never sends HTML, unless you manually attach HTML file 
 to an empty message. There might be two reasons for your messages coming 
 back in HTML that I can think of:

 (i) the list software is set up to do so. It's simple indeed: just replace 
 "text/plain" string in the headers with "text/HTML" and then enclose all the 
 message body in:
 htmlpre
 
 /pre/html
 and that's all...

 (ii) are you referring to your *own* messages when telling that they come 
 back in HTML? Maybe you mean, that it's the _replies_ that you get in HTML? 
 Then it's pretty likely to happen: there are usually some LookOut users about 
 everywhere;-)


Thanks, Alexander. I checked out my subscription specs at the site,
and found that I was under "Convert to HTML". I did not set it up
myself, but...

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Re: Message autoview window

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 4 Feb 00, at 11:01, Allie Martin wrote
about "Re: Message autoview window":

 Your welcome. BTW, you have my vote for the best rogue photo.

Mine, too;-) BTW, speaking about these photos: Nick Danger looks really 
dangerous, and Mark Aston looks astonishing... yeah, really! What jail that 
photo has been taken at;-))? 

 Denis has my vote for the  Uhm. what is he on there? A horse
 or something???

Apparently, it _is_ a horse, but where did he find those subtropical bushes to 
ride through -- this is the _real_ question;-)

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Re: Parked, so to speak.

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 4 Feb 00, at 20:34, Oleg Zalyalov wrote
about "Re[2]: Parked, so to speak.":

  Does it make sense to anyone?
 AVK Nope, for me it doesn't.

 I meant did anyone understood my post. :(

Russian
÷ÓÅ ÐÏÎÑÌ, ËÒÏÍÅ ÆÉÎÁÌØÎÏÇÏ ×ÏÐÒÏÓÁ:-) ëÒÕÔÏ!
/Russian

 AVK I'd better have a clear "make read-only" feature. I really hardly
 AVK understand what this "parked" word means, frankly speaking;-)

 I  think  you mean 'undeletable' flag? What then should happen to this
 flagged  'undeletable'  or  'readonly' message if it has been moved to Trash 
 folder?  

If it's drag'n'dropped there, the flag should be unset. If it's deleted by pressing 
Del or whatever, it shouldn't be deleted. If it's moved somewhere except 
Trash, it should stay read-only.

 'Parking' now means that message should reside to this very  folder and  can
 not be moved (including deleted) from folder to anywhere (including Trash
 folder) accidentally. 

Do you see any sense in forcing inability to *move* the message to another 
folder? What practical usage can you suggest for this? I cannot think of any, 
personally;-)

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Re[2]: Parked, so to speak.

[Oleg Zalyalov]

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Friday, February 04, 2000, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] about
Parked, so to speak.:

AVK Do you see any sense in forcing inability to *move* the message to another
AVK folder? What practical usage can you suggest for this? I cannot think of any, 
AVK personally;-)

I  must think on it. But if the feature is present you can always find
some usage for it can't you? ;-)

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Re: Message autoview window

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In Reference to "Message autoview window" From Alexander V. Kiselev
   
   
 Mine, too;-) BTW, speaking about these photos: Nick Danger looks 
 dangerous,   
   
 Only in the morning before coffee, after that I'm manageable. :P  
   
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Re: Message autoview window

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In Reference to "Message autoview window" From Alexander V. Kiselev
   
   
 Mine, too;-) BTW, speaking about these photos: Nick Danger looks 
 dangerous,   
   
 Only in the morning before coffee, after that I'm manageable. :P  
   
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Test #2, I hope the last test message :-)


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Re: OT was Re[2]: Message autoview window (was Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject here)

[Steve Lamb]

On Fri, Feb 04, 2000 at 06:31:43PM +0300, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:
 outburst of Steve's -- but nope, nothing of the kind... Steve, have you been 
 cured somehow?;-)

Nope, on vacation.  :)

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Re: Parked, so to speak.

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 4 Feb 00, at 21:29, Oleg Zalyalov wrote
about "Re[2]: Parked, so to speak.":

 Friday, February 04, 2000, Alexander V. Kiselev wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
about
 Parked, so to speak.:
 
 AVK Do you see any sense in forcing inability to *move* the message to another
 AVK folder? What practical usage can you suggest for this? I cannot think of any, 
 AVK personally;-)
 
 I  must think on it. But if the feature is present you can always find
 some usage for it can't you? ;-)

*I* can't. If it were "read-only" flag, I certainly could: I use this feature in 
Pegasus. But in TB having set the "parked" flag on a group of messages 
means that I'll get heaps of "are you sure?" "are you _really_ sure???" 
dialogues each time I decide to re-assemble my folders structure... It sure 
isn't the thing I'd love to get;-) Well, if somebody could tell "wow! that's the way 
it _has_ to work, *since* this and that useful things can be done this way" -- 
then I'd shut up, of course. But right now we (okay, _you_) just keep 
explaining again and again _how_it_works_right_now_, failing to even explain, 
_why_. I'd sure wish one of the developers to explain, what was their secret 
intention underlying their deceision to implement it the way it works now;-)

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Re: Message autoview window

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Hi Alexander,

Friday, February 04, 2000, 4:57:05 PM, you wrote:

AVK Mine, too;-) BTW, speaking about these photos: Nick Danger looks really 
AVK dangerous, and Mark Aston looks astonishing... yeah, really! What jail that 
AVK photo has been taken at;-))? 

I  have been lucky enough to escape the law (so far) but if I'm caught
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Re: Show from during download

[Nick Andriash]

On Friday, February 04, 2000, 3:47:08 AM, Mark Aston wrote:

CGS The last time I did this, I lost the whole mail. Neither did I have it
CGS in my INBOX, nor it was left on my POP server ... So I don' trust it ...

 Confirmed,  I had not tried this feature for a while, so I just tested
 it,  it  seems  once the header is downloaded that the message is gone
 from the server. I personally don't mind this, I will not download any
 large  messages  no  matter  who they are from, sending large files by
 mail is very inefficient and I prefer an ftp link.

But this should be a bug and a serious one... it's certainly not a
feature! TB seems to be imposing your preferences on everyone. You should
be able to download the header, and any number of lines you want with the
header (to get an idea of what the large message is about)... BUT... you
should also have the option of then either downloading or deleting the
message from the Server.

I've set my download options so that only the headers and a few lines of
text in the large messages are downloaded, but I never thought that doing
so also deleted the original message from the Server. It's interesting to
note RITLabs logic on this:

 Receive header only if message size if greater than n K bytes - use this
 option if you do not want to receive large messages from the account.
 This may be useful when you are away from your home and want to read
 only significant messages (messages of such kind are usually relatively
 short)

I don't agree with that logic... not at all.

Please RITLabs... correct this bug and turn it into a feature by allowing
a little flexibility insofar as leaving what happens to the message, up to
me. The message was addressed to me, not you, so don't _you_ decide what
happens to it.


Nick

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Re: Show from during download

[Alexander V. Kiselev]

Hi there!

On 4 Feb 00, at 12:58, Nick Andriash wrote
about "Re: Show from during download":

  Confirmed,  I had not tried this feature for a while, so I just tested
  it,  it  seems  once the header is downloaded that the message is gone
  from the server. I personally don't mind this, I will not download any
  large  messages  no  matter  who they are from, sending large files by
  mail is very inefficient and I prefer an ftp link.
 
 But this should be a bug and a serious one... it's certainly not a
 feature! TB seems to be imposing your preferences on everyone. You should
 be able to download the header, and any number of lines you want with the
 header (to get an idea of what the large message is about)... BUT... you
 should also have the option of then either downloading or deleting the
 message from the Server.

Nick, this bug (yeah, this *is* a very serious bug) has been there for a long 
time, and RIT labs programmers are certainly aware of what's happening 
when one uses this feature. It's been pointed out as a bug on numerous 
occasions, and the formal bug reports have been sent to RIT... Just wait till 
they fix it, but meanwhile _do_not_ use the "do not download messages larger 
then" in conjunction with the option "delete messages from the server" if you 
don't like to loose some of the messages addressed to you. I understand that 
this is not a workaround, but at least this will save your mail which is likely to 
just perish otherwise;-(

 I've set my download options so that only the headers and a few lines of
 text in the large messages are downloaded, but I never thought that doing
 so also deleted the original message from the Server. It's interesting to
 note RITLabs logic on this:
 
snip
 
 I don't agree with that logic... not at all.

The logic is all right, it's the code that is buggy;-)

 Please RITLabs... correct this bug and turn it into a feature by allowing
 a little flexibility insofar as leaving what happens to the message, up to
 me. The message was addressed to me, not you, so don't _you_ decide what
 happens to it.

Actually, no other option is needed: if one *really* wants to wipe the messages 
overblowing the limits off the server w/out even downloading them, one might 
just use the killfilters IMHO. The message size is there in the headers... 
Therefore the feature "don't d/load messages larger then" is just plain broken 
and needs to be fixed, or _at_least_ explained in _full_details_ in the docu, 
since it's really dangerous and the cation cannot be undone.


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Re: Message autoview window (was Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject here)

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Hello Allie Martin,
On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 06:26:18  -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, February 04, 2000, 6:26:18 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Allie Martin wrote:


 On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:20:07 +, Tony Boom wrote:

 So  where  does one find this rogues gallery and how does one submit
 a  photo?

 http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/rogues.shtml

 Enjoy! I wouldn't mind seeing some more faces there. Tracer needs to
 get a new photo. He's all stretched out there. Dennis' is hopeless. :)

I have a better one...

 But believe me, it's a real eye opener, especially when some realize
 that I am male. :)))

Which where I live , Thailand, a photo would never prove (g)



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Re: Message autoview window (was Re: If I was creative there would be a good subject here)

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Hello Marck D. Pearlstone,
On Fri, 4 Feb 2000 11:54:26 + GMT your local time,
which was Friday, February 04, 2000, 6:54:26 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Marck D. Pearlstone wrote:



AM Tracer needs to get a new photo. He's all stretched out there.

It looks better.

 Resize  tracer's  photo  +50% width-wise and enjoy! (sorry tracer, but
 you certainly look less pointy-headed that way g).
+ 50%???
I had a customer visiting while I was cooking myself a nice steak and
then someone else called me with a problem. First customer took the photo,
steak in the pan.
Reason I have the frying pan in my hands is the cats, they steal(g)


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