Re: Newby
Hi John, welcome! On Thu, 28 Jun 2001 19:53:36 -0700GMT (29/06/2001, 10:53 +0800GMT), John McKane wrote: JM Is there any soure of a manual or guide for TB? Maybe a dumb ?! The help file is pretty good, then there is the FAQ file at http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com , and then is this list. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Anmeldung unter: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.53d under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Poco means Not Much
Hello Listers, Today, 29 June 2001, at 05:11:10 [GMT -0600] Douglas wrote: DH If anyone has any relevant comparative info and cares to post it DH here, I'll make sure it gets translated and posted to the Spanish DH TB! list Please do, most of Spanish users will be grateful. -- Chema Berian mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Spanish GDUTB Moderator mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TB Tip of the Moment: You can use multiple POP3 or IMAP accounts at different mail servers - use Account | New command to specify an additional account. Using The Bat! 1.52f on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re:Poco means Not Much
Hello Douglas, Mitteilung vom Freitag, 29. Juni 2001, 13:11:10: DH P.S. DH poco means not much in Spanish my general feeling is that it's no DH much of a competitor compared to TB! What I'm looking from is DH confirmation of this from someone who has looked at it recently, DH since I don't plan on doing so myself. poco 1 (adj;pron) (sg;gen) little; (pequeño) small; (escaso) slight, scanty; I'm sorry, but not much is a very derogatory translation; small will describe the program more precise. Maybe it's not a real competitor to TB! ( and I'm using TB! for myself) but there is at least a very nice macro language in Poco I'd like to have in TB! And as to the confirmation: a man has to do his experiences for himself ... -- Regards, Bernd -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Poco means Not Much
Bernhard I'm sorry, but not much is a very derogatory translation; Bernhard small will describe the program more precise. PocoMail has a lot of features and probably is the more complete email client software nowadays. Bernhard Maybe it's not a real competitor to TB! ( and I'm using TB! Bernhard for myself) but there is at least a very nice macro language Bernhard in Poco I'd like to have in TB! Poco has same features than TB plus: PocoScript (powerful script language). Skins. HTML message edition. (TB will have this feature in the future). Regards, Manuel. (Sorry my English). -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: SOT: Poco means Not Much
Hello Listers, On Fri, 29 Jun 2001, at 13:57:43 [GMT +0200] (which was 13:57 where I live) Bernhard wrote: BK poco 1 (adj;pron) (sg;gen) little; BK (pequeño) small; BK (escaso) slight, scanty; BK I'm sorry, but not much is a very derogatory translation; small BK will describe the program more precise. Spaniards only use the escaso aception of poco. We never use the other. Maybe couse we use any of the many synonims spanish language has. Examples of use of poco Tengo poco dinero. - I have few money. (Literal, not ironical) Estoy un poco nervioso. - I am a bit nervous. In very few situations (en pocas situaciones), poco means quite. Maybe pocomail authors wanted to mean smallmail but I think they've choosen a very bad word. In this context, in poco mail I read a very lited email client -- Chema Berian mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Spanish GDUTB Moderator mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TB Tip of the Moment: You can view the activity log of your account by pressing Ctrl+Shift+A or using Account | View Log... menu command. Using The Bat! 1.52f on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Poco means Not Much
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Manuel! On Friday, June 29, 2001 at 2:26:49 PM you wrote: Poco has same features than TB plus: PocoScript (powerful script language). Useful. Skins. Unnecessary. HTML message edition. (TB will have this feature in the future). Br. If that is all Pocomail can offer additionally the point of which is more powerful or complete is utterly superfluous. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Todo, pero con manera (Everything, but with civility.). -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOzx0jPTo1oA8g8dLEQLd9wCfWgVOd/QNagBlX/fBE7wETxQ82ocAoISv a19q/mMM/bAy2yTBUz9VuY1n =Yqsh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: AB trouble TB! V1.53d
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello JOANNE! On Friday, June 29, 2001 at 12:25:17 AM you wrote: Yes, it is the pre-configured AB that was already there when I downloaded TB. I would appreciate an explanation why I was not able to use this one. What is meant by *Intermediate Certificates (for S/MIME purposes)* I am not quite sure if these AB's can be used as normal AB's. There are I think two books strictly for S/MIME use, that is - and I don't know much about that - they contain the certificates or the appropriate certificate authorities. For the technical details we will hopefully get some insight by S/MIME buffs, or maybe Marck can enlighten us. If it has anything to do with your problem, I am not sure of, since I can't test it. But it sounds logical to me that special AB's do have there limitations. If I am correct with my idea about the certificates that would clear up why these AB's (Intermediate and Root) are not available as you need it. Let's see what others can tell us ... - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C It's hard to be humble when you're as great as I am. (Derek Leveret) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOzxxr/To1oA8g8dLEQK+9QCghLF7ruwTIAcRizVdIuXKqJ29L0wAniqQ M2kkVEwMclvLc1ULTA4m8vId =hD9K -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Error message Exception Eaccess Violation 7FB20524
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Joanne! Ever since downloading TB 1.53, I get this error message that pops up off and on, and crashes me. I can be in the middle of just reading emails or replying, and a window pops up ***Exception Eaccess Violation in module theBAT.exe@7FB20524. Access violation at address 7FF21768. Read of address 7FF21768***. Then, if I try to click the x in upper right corner, to make the message go away, all the error window does is scootch down and to the right a tad, each time I click on the x. Eventually, obviously, I reach the lower right corner of my screen and all my programs close and I am back at my desktop. Can anyone enlighten me as to why this is happening and how do I get rid of the problem? Thank you. I found your message in another thread (inaptly called Newby). You should have made it a new message instead of just replying. Sorry to say, but I can't help you with the problem described, never had it. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Education has produced a vast population able to read but unable to distinguish what is worth reading. (G.M. Trevelyan) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOzxyvPTo1oA8g8dLEQJ9xQCfYAXQSbBv/d/inUiTQF6tNMf0nfgAoOUz yNDW6kIZZDh7PQ+ahS5M/woW =8TIK -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Melissa! On Thursday, June 28, 2001 at 9:36:41 PM you wrote: He continued to work with me to improve Poco's text editor - based on my experiences with TB! That said, for my needs, it's still got a ways to go, and is still no TB! Well, that's quite nice, seeing someone who seemingly likes TB!'s editor right from the start. Considering that many new (and some old) users don't like it and want it changed ... - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Das Gegenteil von Liebe ist nicht Haß sondern Angst. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOzxwY/To1oA8g8dLEQJa8gCgivGWvWKXL/004uv8/79qbr1mT64AmQFU LcBJpTHrgM/CeiOLsjKbECVl =XRJ6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Poco means Not Much
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Dierk Haasis, On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 15:28:59 +0200 GMT your local time, which was Friday, June 29, 2001, 2:28:59 PM (GMT+0100) (BST) my local time, Dierk Haasis wrote: DH Hash: SHA1 DH Hello Manuel! DH On Friday, June 29, 2001 at 2:26:49 PM you wrote: Poco has same features than TB plus: PocoScript (powerful script language). DH Useful. We could be underestimating how useful this sort of thing is. Imagine regular expression coupled with Perl. You'd have extremely powerful filtering systems, mass mailing would be easier and many other usefull things could be accomplished. Skins. DH Unnecessary. Yes they are. But how many skinable applications usually keep their default skin? I rarely see any winamp user with the default skin. Also this isn't much different from the modified glyphs.bmp. I'd quite like this feature. HTML message edition. (TB will have this feature in the future). DH Br. G snarl and we can use the powerful scripting language to put html users names on mailing lists, invalidate their driving licence and give them a criminal record. Ok maybe the mailing list idea is a bit harsh. - -- Jamie Dainton On Friday, June 29, 2001 at 2:46:19 PM The Bat! 1.53 Beta/5 Windows 98 4.10 mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=sendKey This message has been brought to you by the language C and the number F. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOzyHuIP76OeRfCgzEQKS2gCeOr5+3KNgYC7goLVQaG/RnHK35aAAn1gY FTYJt3mQzLFDvZgpDlfDebTJ =2slT -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail
On Friday, June 29, 2001, Dierk Haasis wrote the following about Bat Cannot Download E-Mail DH Well, that's quite nice, seeing someone who seemingly likes TB!'s DH editor right from the start. Considering that many new (and some old) DH users don't like it and want it changed ... Of course the abilty to plug in external editors into TB!'s windows (using OLE?) would be nice also .. and allow you to use the default editor or choose your own ... ( I'd love to use vi editing commands in TB! windows ... ) IMHO, the current editor is fine, however. I use it to send e-mail, not compose long text documents I could see how some dislike it though. Best Regards, Mike e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Error message Exception Eaccess Violation 7FB20524
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dierk, On 29 June 2001 at 15:21:14 +0200 (which was 14:21 where I live) Dierk Haasis wrote to JOANNE VIRANT and made these points: Ever since downloading TB 1.53, I get this error message that pops up off and on, and crashes me. I can be in the middle of just reading emails or replying, and a window pops up ***Exception Eaccess Violation in module theBAT.exe@7FB20524. Access violation at address 7FF21768. Read of address 7FF21768***. snip DH Sorry to say, but I can't help you with the problem described, never DH had it. I only want to add that it is a good idea to report such issues on the TBBETA list and / or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (use Help | FeedBack | Bug report (English) to start such a message) about it. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / SB! v1.53d/iKey1000 55238-48F0B on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7PImdOeQkq5KdzaARAsM7AJ9zvgRspfNqst+61Iv1t/zyIj4mHwCffdGk hp+th2mtUWQJkulukVOVdzQ= =/VVB -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Poco means Not Much
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jamie! On Friday, June 29, 2001 at 3:50:36 PM you wrote: DH Useful. We could be underestimating how useful this sort of thing is. Imagine regular expression coupled with Perl. You'd have extremely powerful filtering systems, mass mailing would be easier and many other usefull things could be accomplished. Ack. Yes they are. But how many skinable applications usually keep their default skin? I rarely see any winamp user with the default skin. Also this isn't much different from the modified glyphs.bmp. I'd quite like this feature. Opera uses a kind of skin scheme, which i don't use. GetRight uses skins - and the default look is the best, so I use it. Winamp has some nice skins, and since I use the programme very, very seldom I utilize them in random mode. If I had to *use* the programme regularly I'd revert to the default because it is clear and allows easy manipulation of its buttons and slides. To be clear myself, I have nothing against *options* (as long as they don't bloat everything), my criticism was against the more complete e-mailer with options that are not needed, not asked for, even counter productive. The only feature I liked was the scripting language, which surely will be available with TB! some time, as it was asked for several times. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C All our science, measured against reality, is primitive and childlike - - and yet it is the most precious thing we have. (Albert Einstein) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOzyAGPTo1oA8g8dLEQJFcACfcWdLN1iVQdzijAePvQTVQ73+gQcAnj0Q 3hq2fK77E+ImzTwjKU8//oNz =kPUj -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Error message Exception Eaccess Violation 7FB20524
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Marck! On Friday, June 29, 2001 at 3:58:51 PM you wrote: I only want to add that it is a good idea to report such issues on the TBBETA list and / or send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (use Help | FeedBack | Bug report (English) to start such a message) about it. When we are at it: It is a good idea to add a short description of the bug to the automatic subject line. - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Be contend with what you get, and what you get will be contend with you. (Derek Leveret) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOzyAnfTo1oA8g8dLEQJkewCg4Yfww5gAayku8zyNfSJ9+DccWxAAniv2 IeXrznW2a7VmAeyHrblejNNx =o3h4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
OT Bugs (Re[2]: Error message Exception Eaccess Violation 7FB20524)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Dierk On 29 June 2001 at 16:20:28 +0200 (which was 15:20 where I live) Dierk Haasis rearranged electrons to get When we are at it: It is a good idea to add a short description of the bug to the automatic subject line. I know. I forgot on my last one :-( - -- BFN, ___ David |MUA- The 1, The Only, The Bat! | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2K Adv Ser 5.0.2195 SP2 | International | | WARNING! REMOVAL OF THIS TAGLINE IS PROHIBITED BY LAW. | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 06) Comment: PGP Signed, sealed, delivered. iQA/AwUBOzyUQPmK8eZlD0U0EQJ+WwCfeoXAmjTr63RPKlzzwWgPZSUk3agAoPIA 5pVSn2e/AIDF+uQrvo4qCtBN =mK58 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
RE: ALL MAIL in my BAT InBox has disappeared (except very latest download)
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Stanislav Okhvat Sent: Tuesday, June 26, 2001 1:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: ALL MAIL in my BAT InBox has disappeared (except very latest download) Hi, David, You are not alone here. A month ago the mail of one half of our employees disappeared (funny thing - affected were employees whose last name began with P-Z). We used version 1.43 (or 1.44), network edition. Not just the inbox, all of it. The folders became absolutely empty. I don't think the OS is at fault - too many people on this list try to explain the cause of these absolute disasters by blaming it all on the OS. During this month, you are about the 6th or 7th person who reports this error. If it were a reported bug which was fixed in the latest versions, everyone would know about it. Unfortunately, I think one cannot rely on The Bat being a rock-solid application - yet. Personally, I use a local version of TB and it runs perfectly. The network edition has proved quite unreliable - even the 1.52 release (the other day an employee reported he has lost all mail after returning from a vacation). What is Network edition? _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Digest (06/29/2001 21:45) Special Issue (#2001-1238)
You wrote : HTML message edition. (TB will have this feature in the future). DH Br. G snarl and we can use the powerful scripting language to put html users names on mailing lists, invalidate their driving licence and give them a criminal record. Ok maybe the mailing list idea is a bit harsh I have noticed that pixies don't like HTML. I assume that it is because HTML is easy enough that normal humans can do things with it that they like to do - and that is why pixies the world over are doing their best to produce a version of HTML that will be as normal human friendly as Linux. When they have done that, the magical fellows will be able to disappear into vast areas of cyber-space, untraceable and incomprehensible, leaving the rest of us to use (or be used by) Microsoft and play with our skins. The question for someone whose 30 days' free trial is not yet up is - are they going to take the Bat with them? As someone who uses e-mail mainly to make jokes and arrange drinking bouts, all I want is something that does not regularly explode - thank you, Netscape - has an uncluttered interface - bye-bye Eudora - and won't take your house over during the dark hours of the night - exit Outlook. My worries about the Bat are that a) I have to pay for it, and b) in order to do anything elaborate, I will have to transmutate into a pixy. Reading this list, I begin to feel the tips of my ears throbbing. But I don't want to have to buy a new hat, however cute, along with the program. Best wishes Timothy Mason http://perso.club-internet.fr/tmason/ mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Toute cabinette tini maringouin -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Digest (06/29/2001 21:45) Special Issue (#2001-1238)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Timothy! On Friday, June 29, 2001 at 5:27:58 PM you wrote: snipped very funny text on pixies* I don't want to go into the discussion why many of us don't like HTMl - - me, I receive one (that is 1!) newsletter which uses HTML very good. The downside is, that a lot of users (usually OE) don't use HTML creatively or even need it. Considering the doubling or even tripling of a simple text message by HTML I vote for non-HTML mail. My reservations against HTML in e-mail are not of a philosophical kind ... *Do you know that there is a famous line of books for very small children in Germany called Pixies? - -- Dierk Haasis http://www.Write4U.de PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys The Bat 1.53d on Windows 95 4.0 1212 C Cynic: A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. (Ambrose Bierce) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Comment: Privacy is the core element to Freedom! iQA/AwUBOzybIfTo1oA8g8dLEQKeagCg7HsGYBgJsY9cDzFrYzcqWeIBaK0AnjOI 0zixmQA6/NCkGaKAh1L+Ds7w =c2QA -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
ANN: RegExTest 0.3beta
3th try to post to this group, the previous never get it to the list :-( --- Hi TB! users, I want let you know that I have created a little program to create/modify/study Regular Expressions. It's simply an input filed for the regular expression and and input field for the sample text. If you modify one of these the result (the subpatterns or the error message) are immediately shown. So you could play easy with your ideas and could test the regex with different textes and see how this work. The program are integrated into the TB! help system and available by clicking Help - Help Topics - RegExTest. You could found it at: http://www.Dirk-Heiser.de/RegExTest/RegExTest_V0.3beta.zip (This are freeware without source) Follow the instructions in the included readme. And note this are beta software. cu, Dirk -- The Bat! (1.53bis) Educational [12A1F196] OS: Windows 95 4.0 Build B -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Some eval questions
Thursday, June 28, 2001, 10:37:17 AM, you wrote: MG Mark A. Chalkley wrote: since there doesn't seem to be any way to copy filters from one account to another. MG Objection! With 1.53d, which you are using, you can copy filters! They MG are even editable as TXT information in your clipboard. Could someone explain this in a little more detail. I think I'd like to take this approach to applying a common set of filters to all of my accounts. Thanks, Mark -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some eval questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Fri, 29 Jun 2001 12:29:16 -0400, Mark contributed this to our collective wisdom: ... MAC Could someone explain this in a little more detail. I think I'd like MAC to take this approach to applying a common set of filters to all of my MAC accounts. Just select the filter rule and hit CTRL+C or right click it and select copy. You can then open the other accounts filter rule and paste it in by using the same menu. However, AFAICS, you can only copy or move single filter rules at a time. If you need to move entire filter sets, this will therefore be tedious. Closing TB! and copying over the account.srx files between accounts will be more efficient. - -- ©Allie C. Martin List Moderator (and fellow registered end-user) Using The Bat! (v1.53d) [OS: Windows 2000 (Service Pack 2)] - 'A cynic smells flowers and looks for the casket.' __ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) - GnuPGshell v1.80 Comment: Get my Public Key here - http://pubkey.ac-martin.com iEYEARECAAYFAjs8r5oACgkQV8nrYCsHF+KgDACg9KnISsxN3S4+vU74xUqaijGQ 208Anjb09V6JM9lxvAGKngKgY8PkepJg =VFDl -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some eval questions
Hello Mark, On Friday, June 29, 2001 at 6:29:16 PM you wrote: MG Objection! With 1.53d, which you are using, you can copy filters! They MG are even editable as TXT information in your clipboard. MAC Could someone explain this in a little more detail. I think I'd like MAC to take this approach to applying a common set of filters to all of my MAC accounts. Simply go to the Sorting Office, select one Filter, press Ctrl+C or use the right mouse button and choose Copy, open your preferred text editor and use the Paste function within the editor (even a TB! edit window would do it :)) There you'll see TB! filter rules are plain text capable. Edit it, copy the hole block and paste it in the Sorting Office, a new filter will appear and you'll see all the changes you've made in the text editor applied to the new filter. There's not much more to tell right now, play a bit around with it and you'll see the effects :-) If there are further _concrete_ questions come back and ask, I think someone here will be able to answer :-) -- Regards Peter Palmreuthermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (The Bat! v1.53d on Windows 98 4.90 Build 3000 [WindowsME]) Men are more sentimental than women. It blurs their thinking. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: ANN: RegExTest 0.3beta
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Dirk, On Friday, June 29, 2001 at 16:53:07 +0200, Dirk Heiser [DH] wrote concerning 'ANN: RegExTest 0.3beta': DH Follow the instructions in the included readme. And note this are DH beta software. I installed it but I doesn't show up in the help dialog. I copied the 'RegExTest.dll' in the TB! directory and and I inserted this ':Tab RegExTest=RegExTest.dll' into 'the_bat.cnt'. What am I doing wrong? - -- Best regards, David ** I am Pooh of Borg: I think I'll assimilate a little something today. ** [TB! 1.53d] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 633@874 256 Mb RAM] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBOzykLlK9yf5+yp9NEQJKLgCg3DVeqCfySTRpH+0TjGx/Uhc0KPwAoKjI 6TiuZqRFMK85iOPFLMFaITec =cdMD -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some eval questions
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Mark, On Friday, June 29, 2001 at 12:29:16 -0400, Mark A. Chalkley [MAC] wrote concerning 'Some eval questions': MG Objection! With 1.53d, which you are using, you can copy filters! MG They are even editable as TXT information in your clipboard. MAC Could someone explain this in a little more detail. I think I'd MAC like to take this approach to applying a common set of filters to MAC all of my accounts. If you R-click on a filter and then press Copy it copies the filter into the clipboard. Then you can paste it into another account or in your favourite text editor. - -- Best regards, David ** Windows is NOT a virus. Viruses do something... ** [TB! 1.53d] [Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2] [Running on a Celeron 633@874 256 Mb RAM] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt Build 06 Comment: PGPKeys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=send_PGP_key iQA/AwUBOzyl1VK9yf5+yp9NEQJ3lwCgxnmfPLoIWYmNMG2K6EqdXtm01l0AniNt 1mudr8DSodZv9XppFGw6VwbH =1v8t -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Poco means Not Much
Hello Bernhard others on this TB! list following this thread, First of all, rather than draw all readers into a SOT discussion of the actual (rather than dictionary) common meanings for words in languages not in English (the official language of this list - TBUDL), I'll mention that in the past TB! has been compared to Pegasus (for example) in a VERY thorough intricate way here on TBUDL. However - the principle (Alex Kiselev) contributor no longer participates and IAC, I suspect that now that the original TBUDL was spit in two, perhaps the most appropriate forum for the query would be TBTECH - so I'll repost it there. What follows is purely linguistic and describes the use of the word poco in Mexico, where I've lived since 1974. Friday, June 29, 2001, you stated regarding: Poco means Not Much: DH poco means not much in Spanish my general feeling is that DH it's not much of a competitor compared to TB! What I'm looking DH for is confirmation of this from someone who has looked at it DH recently, since I don't plan on doing so myself. BK poco BK 1 (adj;pron) (sg;gen) little; BK (pequeño) small; BK (escaso) slight, scanty; BK I'm sorry, but not much is a very derogatory translation; small BK will describe the program more precise. That's the trouble with dictionary translations (I write this from Mexico). The Spanish words commonly used for SMALL are (pequeño(a) or chico(a). Here, the common use of poco is little (quiero poco means I don't want much, just a little (for example), and poca cosa is indeed a commonly used derogatory term that means the thing referred to is of slight importance. Perhaps I'm a TB! loyalist but as mentioned, Poco was compared to TB! earlier on either TBUDL or the Opera-Users list and was considered superficial at that time by the writer (a fellow TB! user). BK Maybe it's not a real competitor to TB! ( and I'm using TB! for BK myself) but there is at least a very nice macro language in Poco I'd BK like to have in TB! BK And as to the confirmation: a man has to do his experiences for BK himself ... Thanks for the advice. However (as stated), I have no intention of doing so and that is precisely why I posted the request for information. I'll try TBTECH, next. Douglas -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Poco means Not Much
Hello Dierk, On Friday, June 29, 2001 15:28:59 [ +0200 GMT], you wrote the following in regards to 'Poco means Not Much': Dierk If that is all Pocomail can offer additionally the point of which is Dierk more powerful or complete is utterly superfluous. I would be interested in hearing your comments after downloading Poco giving it a once over. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V1.53d/W2K_SP2/PGP Key ID: 0x3F14A060 ICQ 41116329 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Poco means Not Much
On 29-06-2001 at 15:50, Jamie Dainton kindly wrote: Skins. DH Unnecessary. Yes they are. But how many skinable applications usually keep their default skin? I rarely see any winamp user with the default skin. Me! Me! [And I'm even a paid user - bought it in 1998, before it went for free] - K - -- Did you ever read poor old George Orwell's 1984? Yes, yes, that's wonderful. That would be - could be the palest imagined shadow of what a world would be like under the rule of the secret use of Scientology with no remedy in existence. - Scientology's founder L. Ron Hubbard, PDC tape 20 -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
EOL/EOF Cursor positioning
All, Thanks for your help on the multiple accounts/filtering questions I had. Fantastic bunch! FWIW, I registered TB! earlier today... Why is it that clicking past the end of a line in the window of a new message (whether reply or initial) causes the cursor to be positioned at that point and spaces to be inserted on that line instead of putting the cursor at the real EOL. On a related note, using the arrow keys inserts spaces to allow the cursor to be placed at the point the arrow direction is sending it, instead of just stopping at the end of the line/message. Is there any setting in the editor preferences that addresses this? I can't fid anything about it in Help. Thanks, Mark Chalkley -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: EOL/EOF Cursor positioning
Hello Mark others on this TB! list following this thread, Friday, June 29, 2001, you stated regarding EOL/EOF Cursor positioning: MAC ... FWIW, I registered TB! earlier today... A wise move. MAC Why is it that clicking past the end of a line in the window of a new MAC message (whether reply or initial) causes the cursor to be positioned MAC at that point and spaces to be inserted on that line instead of MAC putting the cursor at the real EOL. On a related note, using the MAC arrow keys inserts spaces to allow the cursor to be placed at the MAC point the arrow direction is sending it, instead of just stopping at MAC the end of the line/message. TB! uses paradigms that are those of Bill Gates. If you want to go to the real EOL, just press the End key (Fin on my Spanish keyboard). Remember that alt+L removes extra spaces w/in the line and that TB! has stream, line and column modes. The differences provide functions that Windoze customary functions don't. Once I learned what to expect I have no problem. The one function I WOULD like to see implemented is the crtl+up or down arrow for jumping between paragraphs, but even that is easy enough as long as I'm going UP (not down) - just use cntrl+L or J and it will put you at the top of the paragraph. A different mindset is involved. (And remember that TB! is a contribution from Moldovia). Douglas -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Poco means Not Much
This was sent 2 hours ago and wasn't posted, so here it goes again. Sorry for any dupes (hit alt+f+k). DH Hello other TBTech subscribers, Some recently recommended taking a look at Pocomail www.pocomail.com/ on the TB! Spanish List. On reading the features page, Pocomail seems to have copied at least some TB°! attributes. Having used TB! since v. 1.35, I have no intention of downloading pocomail even out of curiosity. I recall that comments were made here regarding pocomail's shortcoming's relative to TB! in the past but ignore to what degree these were addressed in pocomail's latest version. My hope that one of you will be able to contribute relevant, detailed, comparative info and post it here is what motivates this request. If that happens, I'll make sure it gets translated and posted to the Spanish TB! list. Douglas P.S. poco means not much in Spanish my general feeling is that it's not much of a competitor compared to TB! What I'm looking for is confirmation of this from someone who has looked at it recently and has a more detailed technical knowledge of email clients protocols than I do. Thanks in advance. Douglas -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: EOL/EOF Cursor positioning
Hello Mark others on this TB! list following this thread, Sorry for the error in the first line, corrected below: Friday, June 29, 2001, you stated regarding EOL/EOF Cursor positioning: MAC ... FWIW, I registered TB! earlier today... A wise move. MAC Why is it that clicking past the end of a line in the window of a new MAC message (whether reply or initial) causes the cursor to be positioned MAC at that point and spaces to be inserted on that line instead of MAC putting the cursor at the real EOL. On a related note, using the MAC arrow keys inserts spaces to allow the cursor to be placed at the MAC point the arrow direction is sending it, instead of just stopping at MAC the end of the line/message. TB! uses paradigms that are NOT those of Bill Gates. If you want to go to the real EOL, just press the End key (Fin on my Spanish keyboard). Remember that alt+L removes extra spaces w/in the line and that TB! has stream, line and column modes. The differences provide functions that Windoze customary functions don't. Once I learned what to expect I have no problem. The one function I WOULD like to see implemented is the crtl+up or down arrow for jumping between paragraphs, but even that is easy enough as long as I'm going UP (not down) - just use cntrl+L or J and it will put you at the top of the paragraph. A different mindset is involved. (And remember that TB! is a contribution from Moldovia). Douglas -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Duplicate mails
Hello Silviu You wrote On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, at 16:22:02 [GMT +0300] (23:22 Australian Eastern Time,Thursday): Now you are downloading *all* your messages again, and after the download completes OK you will use the Kill-dupes function to erase all duplicate mail :) I have noticed that Bat! does (IMHO, but I believe it is not correct) a good thing - once a mail is downloaded, deletes the previous mail from the server. -- Regards John Phillips Sydney, Australia [EMAIL PROTECTED] HTML mail spam not welcome. Bat! 1.53d Windows 98 4.10 Build ASony Vaio Notebook PCG-505TS Pentium 300 64meg ram Let him who takes the Plunge remember to return it by Tuesday. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: ANN: RegExTest 0.3beta
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dear Dirk On 29 June 2001 at 16:53:07 +0200 (which was 15:53 where I live) Dirk Heiser emanated these words of wisdom I want let you know that I have created a little program to create/modify/study Regular Expressions. A good start, but have you tried to set all the options to on I can get the error [Perlre: unknown optionbit(s) set]. I might be able to work out what some of the RegEx actually do. Keep up the good work. - -- BFN, ___ David |MUA- The 1, The Only, The Bat! | E-mailaholics | _| Win 2K Adv Ser 5.0.2195 SP2 | International | | A bat for me, a bat for you, now don't tell me there is nothing to do! | -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5.8ckt (Build 06) Comment: PGP Signed, sealed, delivered. iQA/AwUBOzzAQ/mK8eZlD0U0EQJRhACgkGDp9xsDm78i7XiYe+n2PPO5dkAAoKef BExsstyAt/A6E9OpUR/bS/e0 =Nr1q -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Poco means Not Much
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Jan, Friday, June 29, 2001, 1:38:56 PM, you wrote: Dierk If that is all Pocomail can offer additionally the point of which is Dierk more powerful or complete is utterly superfluous. JR I would be interested in hearing your comments after downloading JR Poco giving it a once over. I am in fact a registered user of both Poco AND The Bat!. I, of course, prefer and use TB! I moved from Poco to TB!. However, I have my wife using Poco v2.5 because she is not happy with Eudora. - From my perspective the best thing about Poco that I miss is the scripting language. Period. There is a lot of eye candy. the interface looks great, but I don't need it. The Bat!, in my opinion, blows Pocomail away. By the way, skins don't thrill me. It's the functionality that thrills me. - -- Using The Bat! v1.53d on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Best regards, Gerry Doyon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i Comment: Digitally signed, sealed and delivered. iQA/AwUBOzzjoxalOqMy8yvQEQLr4QCgxjOUSZrVbrbnk12MMhNnvl0WXqkAn2QB ngjJdyYjEK5F9NUwB+4vnDF6 =TImC -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Some eval questions
artperspective.com List-Hosted-by: Duta Integrasi Pratama - Indonesia On 29-06-2001 at 18:41, Peter Palmreuther kindly wrote: Hello Mark, MAC Could someone explain this in a little more detail. I think I'd like MAC to take this approach to applying a common set of filters to all of my MAC accounts. Simply go to the Sorting Office, select one Filter, press Ctrl+C or use the right mouse button and choose Copy, open your preferred text editor and use the Paste function within the editor (even a TB! edit window would do it :)) There you'll see TB! filter rules are plain text capable. me tries What is weird is that my filter for TUBDL and TBTECH basically say copy everything that has @thebat.dutaint.com to a separate folder but when I look at the copy-n-pasted filter rule, I see this: BeginFilter Name: The Bat Active: 1 Source: \\kspaink\Inbox Target: \\kspaink\Mailinglists\TheBat CopyFolder: \\\none MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why in the world would it say [EMAIL PROTECTED]? Where do these zeros come from? - K - -- Inessential insanities get one in trouble with oneself. Essential insanities get one in trouble with others. It's always preferable to be in trouble with others. In fact, it may be essential. - Tom Robbins: Still Life With Woodpecker -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: Some eval questions
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Matthias Fichtner Sent: Wednesday, June 27, 2001 9:42 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Some eval questions Dave Gorman wrote: I believe I *imported* my Outlook folders/messages into Outlook Express 5, and then imported my Outlook Express 5 folders/messages into TB! through the import wizard. I'm currently trying to move from Outlook Express 5.5 to The Bat. Unfortunately, the import wizard does not do a very good job at importing messages from Outlook Express. Approx. 5 to 10 percent of all imported messages end up corrupted or garbled. :( Therefore I decided to move my message archive using an IMAP server: I upload Outlook Express' folders to the IMAP server and then download them using The Bat. So far, this is working quite well -- I haven't lost a single message. :) Can we all do that? How you do it? _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
RE: Re[2]: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor
I pasted some text to reply to, but the format was quite bad. All lines spreading endlessly off to the right. I tried Utilities/Format Block Left. And then some was better, but the nice paragraphs were gone, and all was one huge paragraph. I looked long at the menus, and could find no way to make it come out right. Is this the kind of thing you guys have talked about? _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Poco means Not Much
Hello Gerry others on this TB! list following this thread, Friday, June 29, 2001, you stated regarding why Poco means Not Much compared to TB!: GD I am in fact a registered user of both Poco AND The Bat!. I, of GD course, prefer and use TB! I moved from Poco to TB!. snip re Wife uses Poco GD - From my perspective the best thing about Poco that I miss is the GD scripting language. Period. There is a lot of eye candy. the GD interface looks great, but I don't need it. GD The Bat!, in my opinion, blows Pocomail away. GD By the way, skins don't thrill me. It's the functionality that GD thrills me. That's what I was looking for - for a start. I would appreciate more detail regarding the functionality that thrills you (the functionality offered by TB!, obviously). I'll start it off: pocomail (I'm told) has no Spanish version therefore, no Spanish spell checking. I need both English and Spanish spell checking which TB! has. I'll mention a few more traits that make TB! indispensable and include a YES () | NO () option for whether pocomail has them. Simultaneous downloading of multiple accounts (16, in my case) Can Poco do this? YES () | NO () I was able to paste in the YES () | NO () directly below the one above by moving straight down. In fact. TB! does columns. Can Poco do this? YES () | NO () Can Poco reformat my paragraphs with a keystroke combo when I decide to insert or delete a remark or divide a long paragraph ? Can Poco do this? YES () | NO () How about the automatic tabulator function that adjusts to the line above? Can Poco do this? YES () | NO () (This means I can indent a whole block a given number of spaces easily, among other things). TB!'s Folders can have their own templates and even the language used for replying (i.e. the date) can vary with the folder. Can Poco do this? YES () | NO () At first I considered replying directly to Gerry and hit ctrl+F4 to do that. Can Poco do this? YES () | NO () What else can TB! do that Poco can't? Does Poco do PGP? Can Poco change caps to lower case vice versa w/ a keystroke combo? Can Poco do this? YES () | NO () Is the filtering as good or better? YES () | NO () Is there a Poco user's group as responsive and as knowledgeable as this one? YES () | NO () If you need Tech Support, are you likely to get a reply from one of Poco's principle developers? YES () | NO () Is Poco's message search function as good or better? YES () | NO () How about it's search replace function when editing. Is it as good or better' YES () | NO () Is there a virtual ticker window for any number of folders? YES () | NO () Your opinion confirms what I've heard to date from others: compared to TB! Poco is less not more than TB! where functionality (not gloss) is concerned), at less the kind of functionality I need. Thanks in advance for your reply. Douglas -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: What I am waiting for from TheBat! ... Soft Returns in the Editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mars, On 30 June 2001 at 21:55:22 -0230 (which was 01:25 where I live) Mars Descent wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points: MD I pasted some text to reply to, but the format was quite bad. You can use Paste formatted which has a shortcut of Ctrl-Shift-Ins. MD All lines spreading endlessly off to the right. I tried MD Utilities/Format Block Left. This is attached to the Alt-L keystroke. MD And then some was better, but the nice paragraphs were gone, and MD all was one huge paragraph. That's because to be true paragraphs in the TB pure text universe, there has to be one blank line to separate each of them (as in this message). That way TB knows when one ends and the next one starts. Without that blank line, TB will assume that the text is just poorly wrapped and sweep it all together in the reformat operation. MD I looked long at the menus, and could find no way to make it come MD out right. Is this the kind of thing you guys have talked about? Yes, this topic relates to the subject line of this message. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / SB! v1.53d/iKey1000 55238-48F0B on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 1 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: GPG Sealed for freshness iD8DBQE7PS5rOeQkq5KdzaARAtRAAJ95TKLiRe46kR5vuVsBg1EDVSetYQCcCMPZ 5uIpZJXQksHnAx4lz5HxK3M= =lQxI -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Poco means Not Much
On 6/29/01 7:11:10 AM Douglas Hinds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: poco means not much in Spanish my general feeling is that it's no much of a competitor compared to TB! What I'm looking from is confirmation of this from someone who has looked at it recently, since I don't plan on doing so myself. A more correct connotation would be little one and not not much. And since you've already decided that it's inferior to TB why are you interested in what others think of it? Poco is a very good mail client, I was a beta tester for the new 2.5 release. No, it's not TB, but TB is not Poco, either. Poco handles multiple accounts and/or users with ease, while with TB you must either use filters or put up with multiple folder sets in order to handle several POP accounts. Poco's filtering is adequate, but TB's runs rings around it. Conversely, Poco's scripting language, if you care to learn it, is more powerful than any filter set you can create in TB. Poco's handling of html mails isn't dependent on IE's ActiveX components. TB's isn't either, but Poco does a much better job of rendering html. Poco also lets you encrypt individual messages or folders you wish to keep from prying eyes. But, TB's advanced folder properties and templates macros leave Poco in the dust if you need to handle and sort a lot of mail. Each program has its good points and bad points. Just slamming a program without at least giving it a look is extremely narrowminded. Which program do I use? Neither, I currently use Becky v2.0. :-) -- Regards, Don Zeigler [EMAIL PROTECTED] URA Redneck if you think BMW is the call letters for a radio station. -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Poco means Not Much
Hello Don others on this TB! list following this thread, Friday, June 29, 2001, you stated regarding Poco means Not Much: DZ A more correct connotation would be little one and not not much. Not true. In Mexico, the most common use of poco is little (quiero poco means I don't want much, just a little (for example), and poca cosa is a commonly used derogatory term that means the thing referred to is of slight importance. DZ And since you've already decided that it's inferior to TB why DZ are you interested in what others think of it? As stated, my purpose here is to confirm and define what had been stated by others previously and provide a detailed response consisting of specific, point by point comparisons for the Spanish TB! list. (See my last post on the subject and add TB!'s Endless Undo feature, as well as the Paste as Quote feature). DZ Poco is a very good mail client, I was a beta tester for the new 2.5 release. DZ No, it's not TB, but TB is not Poco, either. Poco handles multiple accounts DZ and/or users with ease, while with TB you must either use filters or put up DZ with multiple folder sets in order to handle several POP accounts. I found Calypsos single inbox with an account column very functional, but I only used four accounts at that time and other defects of both Calypso and the MCS Dallas Tech Support made using it out of the question. DZ Poco's filtering is adequate, but TB's runs rings around it. DZ Conversely, Poco's scripting language, if you care to learn it, DZ is more powerful than any filter set you can create in TB. DZ Poco's handling of html mails isn't dependent on IE's ActiveX components. TB's DZ isn't either, but Poco does a much better job of rendering html. Poco also lets DZ you encrypt individual messages or folders you wish to keep from prying eyes. DZ But, TB's advanced folder properties and templates macros leave Poco in the DZ dust if you need to handle and sort a lot of mail. I get over a hundred a day. DZ Each program has its good points and bad points. And that is exactly what I expected to define. DZ Just slamming a program without at least giving it a look is DZ extremely narrowminded. My evaluation was based on statements made by people whose opinions I respect. OTOH, I find your evaluation of my intentions and opinions both groundless and tasteless. You misinterpret myu purpose and there is no need to interject any personal attacks here. If you insist, do it off list. DZ Which program do I use? Neither, I currently use Becky v2.0. :-) That is your privilege. Thanks for the comparison (but hold off on the rest. Frankly, I don't see a need for seeking your approval before stating an opinion and I'm open to reviewing whatever facts can be provided, impersonally. This IS a TB! list, after all). Douglas -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Poco means Not Much
Hello Douglas, TB! 1.53d Windows 98 SE You wrote: DH That is your privilege. Thanks for the comparison (but hold off on DH the rest. Frankly, I don't see a need for seeking your approval DH before stating an opinion and I'm open to reviewing whatever facts DH can be provided, impersonally. This IS a TB! list, after all). Exactly! This is a TB!list so why are we even discussing Poco? For your information, the name Poco came in fact from the Italian language and means a little (which refers to Poco as being a little email client - in terms of size, NOT what is can do).I like Poco and if I could afford to have two paid-for email clients, I would run both Poco and TB! Each to his own, and you have obviously already made up your mind what you do and don't like, so what is the point of trying to prove one better than the other. Also, Poco's support is second to none EVEN for non-registered users. Slaven was always more than willing to answer ANY of my questions by personal email, while I was evaluating Poco. Carren [EMAIL PROTECTED] * If you can DREAM you can DO it - Walt Disney -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: EOL/EOF Cursor positioning
On Friday, June 29, 2001, 4:35:17 PM, you wrote: snip MAC Why is it that clicking past the end of a line in the window of a new MAC message (whether reply or initial) causes the cursor to be positioned MAC at that point and spaces to be inserted on that line instead of MAC putting the cursor at the real EOL. On a related note, using the MAC arrow keys inserts spaces to allow the cursor to be placed at the MAC point the arrow direction is sending it, instead of just stopping at MAC the end of the line/message. DH TB! uses paradigms that are NOT those of Bill Gates. snip Hmmm, maybe, but if so I'd have to add that the pardigms used by TB! in this case are also not those of Steve Jobs or Linus Torvalds, as the EOL/EOF cursor positioning I descrbied is also standard for Macintosh and all the GUI enhancements for Linus, and any other Unix I've seen, for that matter. TB!'s approach is not totally unique, but _extremely_ unusual, from what I've seen. And very awkward, to me, at least. DH Remember that alt+L removes extra spaces w/in the line and that TB! DH has stream, line and column modes. The differences provide functions DH that Windoze customary functions don't. Once I learned what to DH expect I have no problem. The one function I WOULD like to see DH implemented is the crtl+up or down arrow for jumping between DH paragraphs, but even that is easy enough as long as I'm going UP DH (not down) - just use cntrl+L or J and it will put you at the top DH of the paragraph. DH A different mindset is involved. (And remember that TB! is a DH contribution from Moldovia). I appreciate the tips on TB!'s extra features. I'll work with it a while longer before I gripe about it again. Still, the Stream/Column/Line editing features don't require the weird EOL/EOF behavior - check out the excellent text editor UltraEdit for an example. Thanks, Mark Chalkley -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Poco means Not Much
I will re-send this as for some reason it hasn't appeared on the list. Apologies if I've duplicated. Hello Douglas, TB! 1.53d Windows 98 SE You wrote: DH That is your privilege. Thanks for the comparison (but hold off on DH the rest. Frankly, I don't see a need for seeking your approval DH before stating an opinion and I'm open to reviewing whatever facts DH can be provided, impersonally. This IS a TB! list, after all). Exactly! This is a TB!list so why are we even discussing Poco? For your information, the name Poco came in fact from the Italian language and means a little (which refers to Poco as being a little email client - in terms of size, NOT what is can do).I like Poco and if I could afford to have two paid-for email clients, I would run both Poco and TB! Each to his own, and you have obviously already made up your mind what you do and don't like, so what is the point of trying to prove one better than the other. Also, Poco's support is second to none EVEN for non-registered users. Slaven was always more than willing to answer ANY of my questions by personal email, while I was evaluating Poco. Carren [EMAIL PROTECTED] * If you can DREAM you can DO it - Walt Disney -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Duplicate mails
Hello John, Friday, June 29, 2001, 3:03:25 AM, you wrote: JP I have noticed that Bat! does (IMHO, but I believe it is not correct) a good JP thing - once a mail is downloaded, deletes the previous mail from the server. I would be a good thing, but I don't think that it actually happens. Several times I have lost a connection and had the whole set of previously downloaded messages download again. When you see the connection center deleting from server I think that it only sends a message to the mail server to do that. Perhaps it is only actually done after you are logged off. Using The Bat! 1.53d under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- Best regards, Scottmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
