Re: Forwarding and TB attachment extension
Hello Peter Ouwehand everyone else 06-Nov-2004 02:55, you wrote: here, when forwarding an email, TB creates a msg with a whatever.eml attachment. Is this intentional, or some setting in my TB setup? Could it be that it only happens with HTML mails? -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using TB! v3.0.2.4 Rush on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 Deliplayer2 is playing: Impossible Lands by Entheogenic from the album '3D Vision Relax Module 01' Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PC-cillin and TB!
Hello Mica again everyone else 05-Nov-2004 21:54, you wrote: One of such ones is AntiVir (Personal Edition, which is free) I use ...OTOH it is very heavy on the online updates (I never saw an update What is heavy for a broadband user? I just downloaded newest version of ~4,5 MB, for some 25 minutes on *dial-up*. Well, if you don't mind - its OK. I wouldn't like it, even though I'm on a DSL. :) The whole update process is a bit uncomfortable. You download the complete installation archive at least twice a month. My AV does all that in the background without my interaction. But it isn't free, so thats the deal maybe. :-) If I would try to update it online it would disconnect me countless times, or connection will drop in coma, the equal number of times, without possibility of resuming so I'd probably have to bequeath this online update to my progeny, using such a method. Yes, their update servers are overloaded very often... which is perfectly understandable because they preserve their bandwidth for their paying home business users. And above all, I would have firstly to *provide* some progeny. You must admit, therefore, that what you subtly foreshadow has no all pros and cons modestly equilibrated. (Today, we are string walkers.) My expectations are different that yours, thats all. I want easy slim automatic updates without wading into the depths of the program, activating some scheduler adding an event to it to get them automatically first place, and all that... it must be easy for the end user. You're an experienced end-user and you don't care to be bothered by long downloads and manual updates. Thats OK, but there's others who don't think like you. There are plenty of good AV programs Actually, there are not. :) Usually less than 50% of tested AV software reach 100% detection rate... I wholelungsly suspect that even ONE AV on this beautiful world in this part of galaxy can do that. What we read in newspapers mainly does not exist. So you rely on vague statements like there are plenty of good AV programs made on some mailing list? I prefer programs to be tested in an equal environment... that environment may be different with each test, but it shows performers and non-performers. Encrypted channels? What's that? Teach me. Please. (: Using an SSL-encrypted POP3 or IMAP connection to your mailserver for security and/or privacy reasons. Btw, once a single message is in a message base (files TBB) no AV will be able to recognize any virus, since all of them (if attachments are stored in same file) are then in plain text format. (-; Catch-22. Actually, it would be pretty bad for a virus scanner to not recognize base64 or uu-encoded inline attachments in a message(base). Most do. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using TB! v3.0.2.4 Rush on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 Deliplayer2 is playing: Impossible Lands by Entheogenic from the album '3D Vision Relax Module 01' Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply Filtering
ON Saturday, November 6, 2004, 12:32:18 AM, you wrote: RO You're right I mixed them up, as I was in favor of both of them. ;-) RO In this thread I meant this: RO https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=4026 Roelof, That looks more like it although, at the risk of being called a , I need to say that this seems slightly more the we were discussing. You wrote: RO Need an option to place a message (both replies and new messages) into the RO folder it originated. Preferrable an option in the account settings an option in RO the folder settings that can override the account setting. I obviously agree with the reply part but having a new msg placed in the folder that it was created will undoubtedly create the same problems as Folder templates. Fortunately these get over ruled by address book templates but you seem to suggest a way to stop this over ruling. Am I correct. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Golf can best be defined as an endless series of tragedies obscured by the occasional miracle. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Forwarding and TB attachment extension
ON Saturday, November 6, 2004, 2:55:11 AM, you wrote: PO Hello TBUDL, PO here, when forwarding an email, TB creates a msg with a whatever.eml PO attachment. Is this intentional, or some setting in my TB setup? PO Ever more, recipents seem to reject emails with .eml attachments. PO An .msg extension seems to be way more appropriate. PO Any comments, thoughts? Hi Peter, This happens when you alternatively forward (shift-alt-F5) HTML mail. I agree, I asked a similar question here a while ago but we seem to be stuck with this MS invented extension. It is in al ways similar to msg so if you rename the file it will work and will not be rejected. Time for a feature request I would say. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Army golf - Phrase used to describe the inconsistent, wayward shots of amateur golfers, that is, left-right, left-right Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply Filtering
Hallo , SCNR On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 10:27:15 +0100GMT (6-11-2004, 10:27 +0100, where I live), you wrote: Z That looks more like it although, at the risk of being called a , I need to Z say that this seems slightly more the we were discussing. Of course. It had to be consistent. Z You wrote: RO Need an option to place a message (both replies and new messages) into the RO folder it originated. Preferrable an option in the account settings an option in RO the folder settings that can override the account setting. Z I obviously agree with the reply part but having a new msg placed in the folder Z that it was created will undoubtedly create the same problems as Folder Z templates. Huh? Don't quite follow you here. AMOF I don't see any differences between new messages, forwards and replies, apart from the template used. Z Fortunately these get over ruled by address book templates but you seem Z to suggest a way to stop this over ruling. What I meant was that it's all very fine to get my messages into the same folder as they were created, but that wouldn't do for list folders. In those folders I'd get stuck with duplicates of my own messages. I'm not really interested in 2266 duplicates (that's the number of messages I sent to this list) Z Am I correct. Not really. The only thing I want is messages (new, replies, forwards) to be placed in the originating folder. And I'd like that as an account setting, but I also want to be able to disable that account setting on a folder base. At this moment I've got only one account, but it has got 115 folders. I don't think there are five of them with a folder template. However I guess that there are over 50 with a folder identity. I can't always use that folder identity as a filter trigger, since some of those folders use the same identity. So that's where I'd like this feature. Apart from that, as long as the feature isn't implemented, I don't know what takes precedence, this option or the sorting office. When the SO has precendence, I guess I could grudgingly live without a setting per folder (though I'd need more filters than now), but if this option takes precedence, I definitely only want it for a restricted number of folders. Otherwise I'd need multiple accounts and that would defeat my current setup. -- Groetjes, Roelof Experiencing synaptical difficulties; Please stand by. The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpCWc4rfajW5.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter: read message moving to folder does not work any more when the folder is moved
Hello MAU, On Saturday, September 18, 2004, 10:20:16 AM, you wrote: Will this change? I thought it was a nice thing that you could move a folder and the program could still find it. M This is due to a bug discovered after 3.0 was released. It was already M fixed in one of the post-release betas. Now I'm on 1.33 but it still does not change it. Is the bug still there or will it be fixed in a next release? -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v3.0.1.33, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Roses are red Violets are blue Some poems rhyme But not this To request my public key select this url: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpbpvrJ7mS7Q.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply Filtering
Hello MFPA, On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 22:05:21 + GMT (05/11/2004, 05:05 +0700 GMT), MFPA wrote: Use %Comment=%Folder in the Reply template. M %SetHeader(Comments,%FolderName) ? I didn't check. What I suggested is probably based on some old syntax, so you may be right. In the Outgoing filters, filter on this header. M Can he do this without having a filter for each folder? Good question. I didn't think about the over 100 folders he mentions later in this thread. I think it is not easily possible with the current filtering syntax. I don't know, but I too would like an option or something that filters outgoing messages automatically into the folder they were replied from, sounds very sensible to me. -- Cheers, Thomas. Did you delete and icon labelled 'The Internet' from your computer? You did? Well, it will take years to restore the entire Internet; in the meantime, the F.B.I. would like to have a word with you. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PC-cillin and TB!
Hello P.Johnson, On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 17:03:59 -0600 GMT (05/11/2004, 06:03 +0700 GMT), P.Johnson wrote: PJ I'm getting a new computer and want to get the best firewall and virus PJ protection I can, and have been looking at Trend Micro PC-cillin PJ Internet Security. I am wondering if any TB! users have tried this PJ suite; and more generally, if there has to be specific compatibility PJ between email programs and virus software. I am using PC-Cillin and TB. Problem 1: There is no plug-in. This means that every time a virus comes, the email will not be imported into TB, as the initial bat*.tmp file will be arrested by the PCC realtime scan, and the infected mail will be downloaded each time again (and the *.tmp file arrested so the mail cannot be imported into TB) until I delete it manually from the server. There probably is a way to exclude *.tmp files from scanning, but what then is the purpose? The infected mails will still be imported into TB, but now PCC will arrest the whole folder when I try to open it! Had some funny disappearing all mails in a folder issues over that a few years back. So I decided to disable the realtime scan, and I manually scan any suspicious attachments before I open them. Problem 2: PCC (since it has no plug-in for TB) will not be able to scan mails that come in via secured connection. So the infected mails will be received by TB anyway. Again, no point. At home, I am comfortable with scanning attachments manually. Most malware can be identified by sight anyway. In the office, the AV scan is server-side. That's much better, IMHO. PJ We have no answer to this question for now but you may try using your PJ software but please enable the webmail scan feature. I do not know what the webmail scan feature would have to do with this. -- Cheers, Thomas. Drink wet cement: Get Stoned. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PC-cillin and TB!
On Saturday, November 06, 2004 at 9:22:01 AM [GMT -0500], Thomas Fernandez wrote: I am using PC-Cillin and TB. Problem 1: There is no plug-in. This means that every time a virus comes, the email will not be imported into TB, as the initial bat*.tmp file will be arrested by the PCC realtime scan, and the infected mail will be downloaded each time again (and the *.tmp file arrested so the mail cannot be imported into TB) until I delete it manually from the server. There probably is a way to exclude *.tmp files from scanning, but what then is the purpose? It's not all the time that real-time scanning and locking of files is a good thing. This is why decent AV programs will support the exclusion of objects, filetypes and directories from realtime scanning. You can safely prevent the scanning of TB! temp files since the virus will be caught later. The infected mails will still be imported into TB, but now PCC will arrest the whole folder when I try to open it! In this case, I'd exclude the TB! directory from realtime scanning. I have done so here, even though I'm yet to experience that horrid effect. Had some funny disappearing all mails in a folder issues over that a few years back. So I decided to disable the realtime scan, and I manually scan any suspicious attachments before I open them. Couldn't you just exclude the TB! installation and mail directories from scanning as well as the bat tmp files? There's really nothing else to exclude. Problem 2: PCC (since it has no plug-in for TB) will not be able to scan mails that come in via secured connection. So the infected mails will be received by TB anyway. Again, no point. This is assuming you use an encrypted connection. If you don't, then excluding the temp files and the TB! directory from realtime scanning, as well as enabling mail scanning should prevent the locking of temp files and entire mailbases while checking mail as they come in. I assume PCCillin has a mailscanner. I'm also assuming PC-Cillin allows file and directory exlusions from realtime and manual scans. If PC-Cillin doesn't allow this flexibility, then I'd certainly not recommend it as a solution. There are too many decent scanners out there to choose from and which all allow that flexibility. At home, I am comfortable with scanning attachments manually. Most malware can be identified by sight anyway. In the office, the AV scan is server-side. That's much better, IMHO. Manual scanning can be tedious, but we get accustomed to a lot. Afterall, some find having to worry about viruses at all to be rather tedious. :) -- -= Allie =- . Fraud(n): A telephone number starting with 1-900 __ Using The Bat! v3.0.2.5 for IMAP mail IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PC-cillin and TB!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Sat, 6 Nov 2004, @ @ at 09:57:05 +0100, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote: What is heavy for a broadband user? I just downloaded newest version of ~4,5 MB, for some 25 minutes on *dial-up*. Well, if you don't mind - its OK. I wouldn't like it, even though I'm on a DSL. :) That's why they call you Alexander and me Mica. (-: And I like this. In both directions. Otherwise would be boring. The whole update process is a bit uncomfortable. You download the complete installation archive at least twice a month. Yep. Something like this. And for me is not uncomfortable, until I can resume download (but using this way it almost never happens that connection is interrupted for those 20-30 minutes; I don't know why...). My AV does all that in the background without my interaction. There you see. While I *like* to interact with the contraption. (: But it isn't free, so thats the deal maybe. :-) Yep. It is, of course, and often, and especially in the world of software. The fact is that the price does not guarantee any quality. If it would be different, I wouldn't buy a Candy freezer for my winter (Native) American turkeys for about 250 Euros, instead Win XP, after I had tried it for a month or so. (-: Man, the freezer is of 110 liters and is full of turkeys (just two of them). I have a winter food, something I can *remember*, and enjoy in. Investing, that way, in software is very risky. And often silly. If I would try to update it online it would disconnect me countless times, or connection will drop in coma, the equal number of times, without possibility of resuming so I'd probably have to bequeath this online update to my progeny, using such a method. Yes, their update servers are overloaded very often... which is perfectly understandable because they preserve their bandwidth for their paying home business users. Hmm... IMO, *no* AV is that good that should be paid for. And above all, I would have firstly to *provide* some progeny. You must admit, therefore, that what you subtly foreshadow has no all pros and cons modestly equilibrated. (Today, we are string walkers.) My expectations are different that yours, thats all. I want easy slim automatic updates without wading into the depths of the program, activating some scheduler adding an event to it to get them automatically first place, and all that... it must be easy for the end user. You're an experienced end-user and you don't care to be bothered by long downloads and manual updates. Thats OK, but there's others who don't think like you. I am all the time aware of it. (: That's the reason we exchange our experiences and each person can choose and apply the preferred way. There are plenty of good AV programs Actually, there are not. :) Usually less than 50% of tested AV software reach 100% detection rate... I wholelungsly suspect that even ONE AV on this beautiful world in this part of galaxy can do that. What we read in newspapers mainly does not exist. So you rely on vague statements like there are plenty of good AV programs made on some mailing list? :) Quite contrarily, this statement of mine, I exposed on a mailing list, comes from experience I had with AV programs, which I rely on. I prefer programs to be tested in an equal environment... that environment may be different with each test, but it shows performers and non-performers. Agree. That's the experience. Encrypted channels? What's that? Teach me. Please. (: Using an SSL-encrypted POP3 or IMAP connection to your mailserver for security and/or privacy reasons. Ah, that. OK. Thanks. Btw, once a single message is in a message base (files TBB) no AV will be able to recognize any virus, since all of them (if attachments are stored in same file) are then in plain text format. (-; Catch-22. Actually, it would be pretty bad for a virus scanner to not recognize base64 or uu-encoded inline attachments in a message(base). Most do. KAV couldn't, NOD-32 couldn't, PC-Sillyn couldn't, F-prot couldn't... Try this and see yourself. Put a virus file as an attachment in a new message, save it in Outbox, and scan the respective TBB file/the message base. Will show nothing. Check directly out the attachment in TB, and AV will react. I have to throw some turkey slices (from my Candy freezer I bought for about 250 Euros, for my winter [Native] American turkeys, instead Win XP, after I had tried it for a month or so) on the grill now. Hungry. (: You are welcome to participate. (-: - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast :happypiglet: [Earth LOG: 66 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OS: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux; and, for TB sometimes Libranet (Linux) 2.8.1, via Cross Over Office -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: PC-cillin and TB!
Hello Allie, On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 09:54:31 -0500 GMT (06/11/2004, 21:54 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: Problem 1: There is no plug-in. This means that every time a virus comes, the email will not be imported into TB, as the initial bat*.tmp file will be arrested by the PCC realtime scan, a AM Couldn't you just exclude the TB! installation and mail directories from AM scanning as well as the bat tmp files? There's really nothing else to AM exclude. Yes, I could. In fact, I excluded all file extensions by just turning off the darned realtime scan. But the question was about TB and PCC, and if the solution is to exclude the tmp files and the TB directory from realtime scan, the question must be answered as useless combination. Problem 2: PCC (since it has no plug-in for TB) will not be able to scan mails that come in via secured connection. So the infected mails will be received by TB anyway. Again, no point. AM This is assuming you use an encrypted connection. If you don't, then AM excluding the temp files and the TB! directory from realtime scanning, [...] Yes, this is a second scenario. This way, PCC won't stop the malware at the tmp level, and won't arrest the folders. In fact, it would not interact with TB at all. Which is what was said above. At home, I am comfortable with scanning attachments manually. Most malware can be identified by sight anyway. In the office, the AV scan is server-side. That's much better, IMHO. AM Manual scanning can be tedious, but we get accustomed to a lot. An AV program with a TB plug-in would filter the infected mails to a quarantine folder within TB, where you could do with them what you want. In my case, delete them all (except for that test message with Eicar), but it's in any case more convenient than manual scanning. AM Afterall, some find having to worry about viruses at all to be rather AM tedious. :) Do they know how tedious it is to reinstall everything from backup? ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Um zu antworten, bitte die From-Zeile mit ROT13 bearbeiten. Danach mit MD5 hashen, zeichenweise den ASCII-Code um 2 erhoehen (mod 57) und erneut um 63 erhoehen. Dann mit der urspruenglichen Adresse x-oren. Schliesslich am Ergebnis erfreuen und so antworten wie gewohnt. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PC-cillin and TB!
On Saturday, November 06, 2004 at 10:29:17 AM [GMT -0500], Thomas Fernandez wrote: Yes, I could. In fact, I excluded all file extensions by just turning off the darned realtime scan. But the question was about TB and PCC, and if the solution is to exclude the tmp files and the TB directory from realtime scan, the question must be answered as useless combination. If you exclude the TB! directory and temp files, then still enabling the realtime scan wouldn't be a useless combination. Attempting to open or save an infected attachment to disk would trigger the realtime scanner. That's better than a completely manual approach. It's not useless. Yes, this is a second scenario. This way, PCC won't stop the malware at the tmp level, and won't arrest the folders. In fact, it would not interact with TB at all. Which is what was said above. Yes. Interacting with TB!'s operations creates problems. This is why mailscanning is offered by mose scanners today. It checks the mail *before* TB! starts interacting with it. Scanners shouldn't interfere once TB! begins handling the mail. Unless a plugin is doing the interacting and TB! controls what's happening via the plugin. An AV program with a TB plug-in would filter the infected mails to a quarantine folder within TB, where you could do with them what you want. In my case, delete them all (except for that test message with Eicar), but it's in any case more convenient than manual scanning. Yes. IMO, in order of effectiveness and convenience: - using plugin when available with non-specific mail scanning support disabled. - if no plugin available, and you're not using an encrypted protocol, mail scanning while excluding the TB! directory and temp files from scanning. - if no plugin available and you're using an encrypted connection, then disable non-specific mail scanning support, and exclude the TB! directories and temp file. Keep the realtime scanner running. AM Afterall, some find having to worry about viruses at all to be rather AM tedious. :) Do they know how tedious it is to reinstall everything from backup? ;-) I'm referring to those who don't have to worry about viruses, like Mac and Linux users. -- -= Allie =- . No good deed goes unpunished - Clare Booth Luce __ Using The Bat! v3.0.2.5 for IMAP mail IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Problem with Norton Internet Security 2004
Dear TBUDL members, While checking mail on a number of accounts just before signing off last night, I got a pop up saying that Common Client User Session has encountered a problem and needs to close. Looking at NIS showed Auto-Protect off and Email Scanning Error. (NAV 10.0.1.13 is up to date.) I closed down straight away. On starting this afternoon, NIS seemed to be working correctly. This isn't the first time I've had this problem - though only, I think, when checking more than one account at the same time. Help and advice would be appreciated. -- Eric Using TB! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PC-cillin and TB!
Hello Mica Mijatovic everyone else 06-Nov-2004 16:20, you wrote: Actually, it would be pretty bad for a virus scanner to not recognize base64 or uu-encoded inline attachments in a message(base). Most do. KAV couldn't, NOD-32 couldn't, PC-Sillyn couldn't, F-prot couldn't... My mistake, somewhere in between the mails I started mixing things up. I did not mean TB's messagebase, but a unix messagebase (plain text format), or a .eml | .msg attachment (when exported). Those are usually covered with the archive support of virus scanners (at least mine does it that way, I can switch off the checking of mail archives however, for it is a lengthy process to decode all attachments). My virus scanner also checks TB's messagebase format (I'm using GData AVK, it contains the KAV and the BitDefender engine) and does find messages with malicious attachments that way - I don't know if thats a special feature of GData's AVK or if this is part of either the KAV or BD engine. Try this and see yourself. Put a virus file as an attachment in a new message, save it in Outbox, and scan the respective TBB file/the message base. Will show nothing. Check directly out the attachment in TB, and AV will react. I don't even get that far because the scanner catches the .tmp file with the virus... because I haven't excluded the folder where TB puts its .tmp files... :-} I have to throw some turkey slices (from my Candy freezer I bought for about 250 Euros, for my winter [Native] American turkeys, instead Win XP, after I had tried it for a month or so) on the grill now. Hungry. (: You are welcome to participate. (-: Thanks for the offer *g*. That would mean travelling to Serbia if I'm not guessing all wrong, and I fear it would be a little bit too far to arrive in time for dinner. :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using TB! v3.0.2.4 Rush on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 Deliplayer2 is playing: The Last Laugh by Mark Knopfler from the 2000 album 'Sailing to Philadelphia' Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PC-cillin and TB!
Hello Allie, On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:03:23 -0500 GMT (06/11/2004, 23:03 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: AM If you exclude the TB! directory and temp files, then still enabling the AM realtime scan wouldn't be a useless combination. Attempting to open or AM save an infected attachment to disk would trigger the realtime scanner. AM That's better than a completely manual approach. It's not useless. OK, I didn't think about the opening right out of TB, because I don't do that anymore. But you are right, changing my habits would make things even easier this way. AM IMO, in order of effectiveness and convenience: Agreed. I'll wait for that plug-in for PCC though, because it is a very good virus and trojan scanner. Do they know how tedious it is to reinstall everything from backup? ;-) AM I'm referring to those who don't have to worry about viruses, like Mac AM and Linux users. I misunderstood. I thought you were talking about Windows users who don't use any such protection at all, causing all of us receiving the malware over and over again. -- Cheers, Thomas. Things You Would Never Know Without the Movies: Every time a person turns on the television to see the news, he instantly sees what he wants and what concerns him. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PC-cillin and TB!
On Saturday, November 06, 2004 at 11:22:52 AM [GMT -0500], Thomas Fernandez wrote: Agreed. I'll wait for that plug-in for PCC though, because it is a very good virus and trojan scanner. That requires some assistance and commitment from the PC-Cillin producers. Are they interested in a plugin for TB!? -- -= Allie =- . Shotgun wedding: a case of wife or death. __ Using The Bat! v3.0.2.5 for IMAP mail IMAP Server: MDaemon Pro | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PC-cillin and TB!
Hello Allie, On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:56:32 -0500 GMT (06/11/2004, 23:56 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: AM That requires some assistance and commitment from the PC-Cillin AM producers. Are they interested in a plugin for TB!? I have no idea. -- Cheers, Thomas. Ever notice that PRICE and WORTH mean the same thing, but priceless and worthless are opposites? -- Jay Trachman Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: PC-cillin and TB!
Hello Alexander, On Saturday, November 6, 2004, 11:49 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... ASK Well, if you don't mind - its OK. I wouldn't like it, even though I'm on a ASK DSL. :) The whole update process is a bit uncomfortable. You download the ASK complete installation archive at least twice a month. My AV does all that ASK in the background without my interaction. But it isn't free, so thats the ASK deal maybe. :-) If I would try to update it online it would disconnect me countless times, or connection will drop in coma, the equal number of times, without possibility of resuming so I'd probably have to bequeath this online update to my progeny, using such a method. ... ASK My expectations are different that yours, thats all. I want easy slim ASK automatic updates without wading into the depths of the program, activating ASK some scheduler adding an event to it to get them automatically first ASK place, and all that... it must be easy for the end user. Can I ask what AV program you are using? -- Best wishes, Pat A Canadian in Houston Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PC-cillin and TB!
Hello Pat, sending this off-list so people won't think I'm advertising. :-) 06-Nov-2004 18:52, you wrote: Can I ask what AV program you are using? Sure. Its the GData AntiVirusKit from http://www.gdatasoftware.com (this is their english page, the german page is http://www.gdata.de - its more recent, already lists the new 2005 versions of their security products) The program utilizes the Kaspersky and BitDefender engines, GData made the GUI and additional components like POP3 scanner and (*sigh*) MS Outlook plugin for it. I just saw they're not offering trial version downloads on the english page, and they trial versions on the german page only come with german GUI... *sigh2* -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using TB! v3.0.2.4 Rush on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 Deliplayer2 is playing: Coyote by Mark Knopfler Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply Filtering
Sat, 6 Nov 2004 21:04:33 +0700 (9:04 AM EST here) Thomas Fernandez wrote: Hello MFPA, On Thu, 4 Nov 2004 22:05:21 + GMT (05/11/2004, 05:05 +0700 GMT), MFPA wrote: Use %Comment=%Folder in the Reply template. M %SetHeader(Comments,%FolderName) ? I didn't check. What I suggested is probably based on some old syntax, so you may be right. The syntax works fine here. In the Outgoing filters, filter on this header. M Can he do this without having a filter for each folder? Good question. I didn't think about the over 100 folders he mentions later in this thread. I think it is not easily possible with the current filtering syntax. In version 2 (and perhaps in version 3), if you wouldn't otherwise need separate reply templates for each folder, I think you can include the %SetHeader in the account's reply template. You can make the filter writing a bit easier with the help of a word processor like Microsoft Word, Wordpad, etc. Using: The Bat! v2.12.00, BayesIt! 0.5.9, MyMacros 1.11, gMacrosPlugin 0.80 Windows 2000 v5.0 - Build 2195 - Service Pack 4 -- Daniel A. Grunberg Kensington, Maryland, USA homepage: www.nyx.net/~dgrunber/ Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
How to get rid of Resent-from?
Hello TB User Discussion List, One annoyance of redirect is that it adds a Resent-from header field. In my case, I'm usually redirecting things, for my wife's attention, to her. It ends up improperly filtered on her end - because it looks like it's from me (an X-Sender is generated). I've tried to get rid of this TB! created problem by writing a QT to be executed inside the redirected mail. I tried both: %SetHeader(Resent-from,) and %SetHeader(Resent-from:,) [I've defined this header field using the ':' for the Display as field, and without the ':' in the RFC field. I'm not sure which one SetHeader needs ;-( ] It doesn't work. The annoying header field continues to appear. How is this done? -- Best regards, Bill The Bat! 3.0.2.5 Pro - BayesIt! 0.7.3 - XMP 0.9.6 - XP Pro SP2 - POP3 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to get rid of Resent-from?
Bill McCarthy [BM], wrote: One annoyance of redirect is that it adds a Resent-from header field. In my case, I'm usually redirecting things, for my wife's attention, to her. It ends up improperly filtered on her end - because it looks like it's from me (an X-Sender is generated). I've tried to get rid of this TB! created problem by writing a QT to be executed inside the redirected mail. I don't portray myself as an expert in this area but this isn't a problem with TB! The use of the RESENT-FROM header is defined in RFC 822. It is the FROM of a forwarded (redirected) message: ,- [ 4.4.1. FROM / RESENT-FROM ] | This field contains the identity of the person(s) who wished this | message to be sent. The message-creation process should default this | field to be a single, authenticated machine address, indicating the | AGENT (person, system or process) entering the message. If this is not | done, the Sender field MUST be present. If the From field IS | defaulted this way, the Sender field is optional and is redundant | with the From field. In all cases, addresses in the From field | must be machine-usable (addr-specs) and may not contain named lists | (groups). `- Nonetheless, I'm a little confused... the SENT header will be the sender of the original message not you. So why is there a problem filtering? I don't think you should attempt to change the headers but rather modify your filters if they aren't working correctly. If you wish to bring the redirected messages to your wife's attention the RESENT-FROM header will indeed help you. -- .\\artin | ICQ 15893823 Adventure is the result of poor planning. COL. BLASHFORD SNELL ___ IMAP Client: The Bat! Version 3.0.2.5 | Horde IMP WebMail IMAPS Server: Dovecot | OS: Windows XP Professional (Service Pack 2) Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Spell Checker Request
Hello TB User Discussion List, Two minor enhancements would make the spell checker more user friendly: (1) Add a `Mail anyway` dialog to `Cancel`. As it is, when one mails, say source code, with many spelling errors one has to either turn off spell checking or click on `Ignore all` many times. (2) Have an option, perhaps under `Check before Send/Queue` that disables the `OK` dialog at the end of spell checking. -- Best regards, Bill Beta 3.0.2.5 Pro BayesIt! 0.7.3 XMP 0.9.6 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to get rid of Resent-from?
On Sat 6-Nov-04 2:48pm -0400, Martin Webster wrote: snipped Thanks for that totally useless response ;-) -- Best regards, Bill Beta 3.0.2.5 Pro BayesIt! 0.7.3 XMP 0.9.6 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to get rid of Resent-from?
On Sat 6-Nov-04 2:24pm -0400, Bill McCarthy wrote: One annoyance of redirect is that it adds a Resent-from header field. Here's one way to get around it: Queue the send. Then open the mail from the Outbox, invoke the QT from the body, and then send. The Resent-from header field is removed. -- Best regards, Bill Beta 3.0.2.5 Pro BayesIt! 0.7.3 XMP 0.9.6 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to get rid of Resent-from?
Bill McCarthy [BM], wrote: BM Thanks for that totally useless response ;-) I beg you pardon? If you request help don't knock it when received whether useful to you or not. If I've misunderstood you say so, don't start TTP! -- .\\artin | ICQ 15893823 I've learnt more from my failures than my successes. RICHARD BRANSON ___ IMAP Client: The Bat! Version 3.0.2.5 | Horde IMP WebMail IMAPS Server: Dovecot | OS: Windows XP Professional (Service Pack 2) Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to get rid of Resent-from?
Hallo Bill, On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:24:18 -0600GMT (6-11-2004, 21:24 +0100, where I live), you wrote: BM In my case, I'm usually redirecting things, for my wife's BM attention, to her. It ends up improperly filtered on her end - BM because it looks like it's from me (an X-Sender is generated). It's not the solution you're looking for, but why not change the filter your wife uses into: If from husband and headers don't contain X-Sender -- Groetjes, Roelof WinErr: 019 User error - Not our fault. Is Not! Is Not! The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpoyRWq5YWAr.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spell Checker Request
Hallo Bill, On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 14:53:50 -0600GMT (6-11-2004, 21:53 +0100, where I live), you wrote: BM Two minor enhancements would make the spell checker BM more user friendly: Why not set the spell checker for automatic checking, it'll give you some coloured lines, but it won't bother you with dialogues. -- Groetjes, Roelof What youth deemed crystal, age finds was dew. The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgp9lDFH7d1x8.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PC-cillin and TB!
Hello P.Johnson, On Sat, 6 Nov 2004 11:49:12 -0600 GMT (07/11/2004, 00:49 +0700 GMT), P.Johnson wrote: PJ Thanks Thomas, your comments have really helped. You're welcome. -- Cheers, Thomas. Things You Would Never Know Without the Movies: Most laptop computers are powerful enough to override the communication systems of any invading alien civilization. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.0.2.4 Rush under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spell Checker Request
On Sat 6-Nov-04 6:25pm -0400, Roelof Otten wrote: Why not set the spell checker for automatic checking, it'll give you some coloured lines, but it won't bother you with dialogues. It is set for automatic checking. That doesn't stop the dialog OK box. I type fast enough that I often plan to go back but don't always make it before clicking on Send - that's why I have `Check before Send/Queue` set also. -- Best regards, Bill Beta 3.0.2.5 Pro BayesIt! 0.7.3 XMP 0.9.6 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to get rid of Resent-from?
On Sat 6-Nov-04 5:05pm -0400, Martin Webster wrote: Bill McCarthy [BM], wrote: BM Thanks for that totally useless response ;-) If you request help don't knock it when received whether useful to you or not. You provided zero assistance. Your info was useless in solving the problem. Get over it. -- Best regards, Bill Beta 3.0.2.5 Pro BayesIt! 0.7.3 XMP 0.9.6 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
