On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 11:22:16 +0900, John De Hoog wrote:
{...snip...}
> In any case, I'm really asking for flexibility here, rather than
> insisting there can only be one logical way to approach folder
> navigation.
*Allie walks over and pats John on the back* I almost heard a
sigh
Hello, Marck,
On Monday, February 14, 2000, you wrote:
MDP> You said elsewhere in this thread that the ticker virtual folder was
MDP> no good because messages were scattered. And here you state that
MDP> you've at least seen the threaded message list. Ever thought of
MDP> combinin
Hi John,
On 14 February 2000 at 09:22:22 GMT +0900 (which was 00:22 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points:
JDH> But that's only one way of ordering mail. In a mailing list like
JDH> this, suppose you opt for a threaded view, and messages arrive
JDH> for different thr
Hi Allie,
On 13 February 2000 at 09:47:38 GMT -0500 (which was 14:47 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points:
>> Like I said, because TB! tries to make keys for every pissant
>> little function people want. Quicksearch falls into the "pissant
>> litte function" c
Hello John,
On Sunday, February 13, 2000 at 10:31:18 GMT +0900 (which was 5:31 PM where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
> Hello, Alexander,
> On Monday, February 14, 2000, you wrote:
>>> But for people who are used to languages with many more symbols
>>> than English, is it really that
Hello Alexander,
On Sunday, February 13, 2000 at 04:11:57 GMT +0300 (which was 5:11 PM where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
> Hi there!
> For Russian, it _is_. It's all the same as for you. When I need to
> start typing Russian rather then English (or whatever Latin-based
> language), I
Sunday, February 13, 2000
Hello everybody,
Paula Ford wrote in her open letter to the list owners:
>Note that the person who originated the "Why not highlighting the newest
>message in the folder ?" said nothing further.
I'm saying it now. I completely agree with what Paula wrote. I'
Hello, Alexander,
On Monday, February 14, 2000, you wrote:
>> But for people who are used to languages with many more symbols
>> than English, is it really that bad?
AVK> For Russian, it _is_. It's all the same as for you.
I use a Japanese keyboard and, like Alexander, I don't see what
Hi there!
On 13 Feb 00, at 16:40, Januk Aggarwal wrote
about "Re: Why not highlighting the newest":
> > TB!'s keyboard navigation is another thing for me. I resist
> > learning it because I simply *KNOW* that there is no reason whatsoever
> > for it to be so cranky and awkward.
>
>
Hello John De Hoog,
On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 09:22:22 +0900 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, February 14, 2000, 7:22:22 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
John De Hoog wrote:
> Hello, tracer,
> On Monday, February 14, 2000, you wrote:
t>> But if you mail houskeeping works properly and if as I do my
Hello Allie,
On Sunday, February 13, 2000 at 09:16:07 GMT -0500 (which was 6:16 AM where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
> On Sun, 13 Feb 2000 02:38:35 -0800, Januk Aggarwal wrote:
> Moving back and forth from an editor or word processor with
> the standard cursor movements limit
Hello, tracer,
On Monday, February 14, 2000, you wrote:
t> But if you mail houskeeping works properly and if as I do myself mail
t> is stored in received order per folder, the whole problem is les
t> important as where I was and/or want to be very likely is in either
t> the last read msg or the
Hello Allie Martin,
On Sun, 13 Feb 2000 18:19:42 -0500 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, February 14, 2000, 6:19:42 AM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Allie Martin wrote:
> I don't think that it's a good thing to hardwire into TB! as
> it were, behaviour based on an assumption since the
Hey list,
I no longer participate in the list because of the flame wars
instigated by Steve Lamb.
I peruse the digest on occasion, but he has certainly turned me off of
the program.
His attitude of "If you don't like it, go elsewhere", certainly must
be affecting RIT Labs' sales.
Best Regards,
In Reference to "Steve Lamb" From Larry Barrett & Paula Ford:
Color me Libertarian, but as obnoxious as Steve can be put me down on
the side of free speech. I prefer to do my own censorship via
filtering. Count me out of any witch hunts ya'll are trying to get
together. If you think he has nothin
Yeah I agree, in fact I am so sick of the crap on this list that I am resigning, so if
Mr Lamb wants to flame me in return, I won't get it!
BTW I have asked a question on the list, no-one ever answered, what a waste of damn
time.
Nick
-Original Message-
From: Paula Ford [SMTP:[EMAIL
Hello Allie,
Sunday, February 13, 2000, 8:28:07 PM, you wrote:
The list may be silent about him because
> kill-filters are in use or others as myself have grown immune to it
Well, I personally can't grow immune to such foolishness. When I finish
this, I will un-subscribe for good. If Mr. Lamb
On Mon, 14 Feb 2000 07:42:59 +0900, John De Hoog wrote:
> Or else support alternate behaviors in important cases like
^^^
I like that 'alternate behaviours'.
Another good example is whether or not to open folders with threads
On Sun, 13 Feb 2000 20:13:20 -0300, Larry Barrett wrote:
> Thank you for your timely comments. I wrote the following letter
> *before* your reply. As I am one of those who have quit the list
> several times because of Mr. Lamb, I decided to send this as was
> written.
You should never l
On Sun, 13 Feb 2000 15:46:25 -0500, Paula Ford wrote:
> I don't see that this issue is about what is "logical" as much as
> simply varying user preferences. What is "logical" in a _e-mail_
> program about assuming that the user wants to return to a message
> already read?
At present TB!
Hello Paula,
Sunday, February 13, 2000, 6:50:48 PM, you wrote:
> Hello Owners,
> I ask you to please review Steve Lamb's latests "contributions" to
> the TBUDL, particularly in the thread "Why not highlighting the newest
> message in the folder?"
> Not only does Mr. Lamb provoke flame wars, wh
Sunday, February 13, 2000, 1:50:48 PM, Paula wrote:
> If someone does dare to disagree with his views, he immediately turns
> nasty and resorts to childish namecalling.
Oh come off it, Paula. I respond in the tone given, nothing more. Don't
like it, tough.
> Note that the person who origin
Sunday, February 13, 2000, 12:46:25 PM, Paula wrote:
> I don't see that this issue is about what is "logical" as much as simply
> varying user preferences.
No. It is, again, the program making the assumption that you want to do
something. A program shouldn't do something on the UI side unti
Sunday, February 13, 2000, 8:32:21 AM, Allie wrote:
> On Sun, 13 Feb 2000 02:16:28 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
>> When it comes to the keyboard I don't think that CNTL-SHIFT-F4
>> is a valid keystroke.
> What does that do???
Hell if I know, I was actually thinking of CNTL-SHIFT-F5, Rep
Hi, all,
Paula Ford wrote...
PF> It seems more "logical" to me to assume that once a user has read
PF> a message, they'd prefer much more often than not to go to the
PF> next unread message. In the end, this is what the developer of a
PF> general-purpose program, like a mailer, has to base decis
Hello Owners,
I ask you to please review Steve Lamb's latests "contributions" to
the TBUDL, particularly in the thread "Why not highlighting the newest
message in the folder?"
Not only does Mr. Lamb provoke flame wars, which involve personal
insults and language that I feel has no place on a mai
On Sunday, February 13, 2000, Januk Aggarwal wrote:
> Right. I alluded to this point in my message, although maybe you
> missed it. A keystroke that takes you to the next unread message
> across folders/accounts is a different debate than the one we're
> having. With that option, TB does
On Sun, 13 Feb 2000 02:16:28 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> When it comes to the keyboard I don't think that CNTL-SHIFT-F4
> is a valid keystroke.
What does that do???
--
CU, Allie ...
Using The Bat! v1.39 *:* Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6)
---
** Why is American beer served cold?
S
Morning Tom Plunket,
> Besides the fact that Steve proves himself again to be an empathetic
> and helpful person, I agree whole heartedly with him. I keep unread
> messages around 'cause I don't want to read them right now.
Me too! I've come to appreciate this behaviour of going to the last us
Hello Steve,
You are a true asshole, aren't you. I, for one, agree with John - it's
very annoying to have my e-mail program not automatically show new
e-mail messages to me. I have my new e-mail set to stay new until I
actually select it as having been read - I much prefer it since I will
almost
On Sun, 13 Feb 2000 06:36:54 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Like I said, because TB! tries to make keys for every pissant little
> function people want. Quicksearch falls into the "pissant litte function"
> catagory.
Again, no. It's a useful function. It avoids having to open
another ap
On Sun, 13 Feb 2000 03:09:57 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> If that is the case, why does Agent suck as a newsreader?
Nick, I just loved your answer to this one. :)) But I'd like
to add that Agent *is* a decent newsreader which doesn't suck. It
however lacks two important functions and t
Hi there!
On 12 Feb 00, at 23:44, Tom Plunket wrote
about "Header question":
> I'm on this mailing list that sets Resent-Reply-To to the list address
> instead of setting Reply-To at all. Is this appropriate? If so, TB!
> doesn't honor it. Should it? Certainly fits into the idea of not
> mun
On Sun, Feb 13, 2000 at 09:18:15AM -0500, Allie Martin wrote:
> No. The reason why double modifiers are so common is simply
> because 26 of the keyboard shortcuts went to one function that you
> don't use and that's the quicksearch facility. :(
> > Because TB! tries to make keys for every
On Sun, 13 Feb 2000 03:04:36 -0800, Tom Plunket wrote:
> Well, one thing that's really handy is the single-key read. However,
> if I want to jump to the message list, I can also hit '2'. If I want
> to head over to the group/folder list, I hit '1'. To the message
> pane, I hit '3'. Now that s
On Sun, 13 Feb 2000 02:45:01 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
>> But that is a question of whether or not you can speak TB's
>> language.
> No, it isn't. That is a question of 3+ simultanious strokes to
> do something. Because TB! tries to make keys for every pet little
> pissant function people
On Sun, 13 Feb 2000 02:59:43 -0800, Steve Lamb wrote:
> Fine, I'll just write a script to repost my portion until you
> die since clearly you don't understand it.
ROTFLMAO!!
--
CU, Allie ...
Using The Bat! v1.39 *:* Windows NT4.0 (Service Pack 6)
---
** A Big Mac,
On Sun, 13 Feb 2000 02:38:35 -0800, Januk Aggarwal wrote:
> But that is a question of whether or not you can speak TB's language.
> I don't claim to be fluent, but in general it only does what you tell
> it to do. If you go to Quebec and ask for directions, you should
> expect that they migh
On Sat, 12 Feb 2000 23:58:12 -0800, Tom Plunket wrote:
> Is there a way to make templates expand an address found in the
> address book?
> Say I have this entry in my book named "mom" which expands to
> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]". Is there a way to make the template expand
> %TO="mom"? (Specifically
On Sun, 13 Feb 2000 17:44:57 +0900, John De Hoog wrote:
{...snip...}
> This is not just a matter of saving a couple of strokes, it saves
> hundreds of strokes each day. Different strokes for different folks
> -- all I'm asking is for that option, not a mandatory change.
I agree wit
In Reference to "Why not highlighting the newest message in the folder ?" From Steve
Lamb:
>>The Agent way, that's the one built on a huge consensus, with years
>>of feedback, and yet with flexibility to allow for a wide variety
>>of approaches. Why is it necessary to reinvent the wh
On Sun, Feb 13, 2000 at 08:05:10PM +0900, John De Hoog wrote:
>The Agent way, that's the one built on a huge consensus, with years
>of feedback, and yet with flexibility to allow for a wide variety
>of approaches. Why is it necessary to reinvent the wheel with each
>new program tha
>> ... the way TB! handles navigation is entirely daft...
JA> I disagree. In terms of navigation, TB does exactly what you tell it
JA> to do. Even if that is not what you meant to tell it, but that is a
JA> operator error. There is no way for a program to fix all of those,
JA> and remain usef
Hi, all,
Januk Aggarwal wrote...
JA> Do you know that if you use the Mail Ticker to access the virtual
JA> folder behind it, you can display the folder that the message is in?
JA> For example, the Mail Ticker shows up,
JA> 1. you double click on it, and it brings up one of the messages.
JA
On Sun, Feb 13, 2000 at 02:52:46AM -0800, Januk Aggarwal wrote:
> > No, it isn't. That is a question of 3+ simultanious strokes to do
> > something. Because TB! tries to make keys for every pet little pissant
> > function people want they end up being crammed in illogical places or places
>
Hello Steve,
On Sunday, February 13, 2000 at 02:45:01 GMT -0800 (which was 2:45 AM where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
> On Sun, Feb 13, 2000 at 02:38:35AM -0800, Januk Aggarwal wrote:
>> But that is a question of whether or not you can speak TB's language.
> No, it isn't. That is
On Sun, Feb 13, 2000 at 02:38:35AM -0800, Januk Aggarwal wrote:
> But that is a question of whether or not you can speak TB's language.
No, it isn't. That is a question of 3+ simultanious strokes to do
something. Because TB! tries to make keys for every pet little pissant
function people w
Hello Steve,
On Sunday, February 13, 2000 at 02:16:28 GMT -0800 (which was 2:16 AM where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
> Uhm, no. When it comes to the keyboard I don't think that CNTL-SHIFT-F4
> is a valid keystroke.
But that is a question of whether or not you can speak TB's lang
Hello John,
On Sunday, February 13, 2000 at 17:44:57 GMT +0900 (which was 12:44 AM where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
>Thank you for a calm and reasoned response.
No problem, I try to post close to the same caliber as most of the
people in this group. It is a high standard to mat
On Sun, Feb 13, 2000 at 01:58:22AM -0800, Januk Aggarwal wrote:
> I disagree. In terms of navigation, TB does exactly what you tell it
> to do. Even if that is not what you meant to tell it, but that is a
> operator error. There is no way for a program to fix all of those,
> and remain useful.
Tom Plunket wrote...
TP> Would the addition of single-key navigation make the
TP> auto-jump-to-next-unread moot for you?
Yes, if you mean what I think you mean. And thanks for reminding
me that all this began with Forte Agent (a program I still use
every day for news). There's a prog
Hello Tom,
On Sunday, February 13, 2000 at 01:30:29 GMT -0800 (which was 1:30 AM where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
> [snip unnecessary insult], the way TB! handles
> navigation is entirely daft,
I disagree. In terms of navigation, TB does exactly what you tell it
to do. Even if that
Hello,
On Saturday, February 12, 2000 at 23:58:12 GMT -0800 (which was 11:58 PM where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
> Is there a way to make templates expand an address found in the
> address book?
I don't think so, but I haven't done much testing with this one.
> Say I have this entry
JDH> I would rather go through a folder at a time, reading the new
JDH> messages in each mailing list, folder by folder. This can be done,
JDH> but it either requires mousing, or using an odd combination of
JDH> keystrokes: Tab to change to the folder tree, arrow keys to move to
JDH> the
Hi, all,
Januk Aggarwal wrote...
>> Many people like to read new messages when they go to a folder, not
>> old ones.
JA> I like to do both. Otherwise what's the point of keeping old
JA> messages in that folder?
Thank you for a calm and reasoned response.
The biggest problem with t
Hello John,
On Saturday, February 12, 2000 at 15:51:00 GMT +0900 (which was 10:51 PM where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed:
> It's the logical thing for people who want it that way, but other
> programs at least give you the option of opening a folder at a new
> message, not an old one you'v
Hi, all,
Steve Lamb wrote...
SL> If we all
SL> had our own little pet options in the client so we could eliminate a keystroke
SL> here and a keystroke there then the damned client would be psychic, wouldn't
SL> it. THAT IS AN INOBTAINABLE GOAL. If your fingers are so cramped, go
SL> elsewhere
SL> Maybe in your own little dillusional world, not reality, boy.
Well! Steve on a good day. Welcome to the list, Steve.
*plonk*
-tom!
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Is there a way to make templates expand an address found in the
address book?
Say I have this entry in my book named "mom" which expands to
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]". Is there a way to make the template expand
%TO="mom"? (Specifically useful for mailing lists.)
thanks,
-tom!
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