Re: Can you Park a thread?

[Bill McCarthy]

On Sat 23-Aug-03 12:38am -0400, Joseph N. wrote:

>On Friday, August 22, 2003, Dennis W. Greer wrote in
> :

DWG>>  Is it possible to park a collapsed thread.

> You can probably set up a hotkey, though.

Please explain how.

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Re: POP3 to IMAP

[Greg Strong]

Hello Gunivortus,

>> I suggest you ask in TBBETA since you are really asking a question
>> about the beta since full IMAP support is not provided in release
>> version.

> Where can I subscribe to that list?

Just follow the URL at the bottom of any message on TBUDL. Choose the
relevant link on the left under 'Contents'.

or

To join the TBBETA, send a message to
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

I'm sure the URL will work, but I'm not so sure about the 'mailto' link
because IIRC there was some maintenance on the servers which may have an
impact.

Give either a try, & let us know of any problems.

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Re[3]: POP3 to IMAP

[Jeffrey A. Shumway]

Hello Gunivortus,

Tuesday, August 26, 2003, 2:38:47 PM, you wrote:

GG> Where can I subscribe to that list?

Send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED]

or visit:

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Re[2]: POP3 to IMAP

[Gunivortus Goos]

Hi Greg,

> I suggest you ask in TBBETA since you are really asking a question about
> the beta since full IMAP support is not provided in release version.

Where can I subscribe to that list?

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OT: Vote for The Bat! :-)

[Marek Mikuš]

Hello,
here You can vote for Your favourite mailer :-)

http://www.techconnect.ws/modules.php?name=Surveys&pollID=8

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Re: S/MIME vs PGP

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Mark,

@26-Aug-2003, 09:44 -0700 (17:44 UK time) Mark Wieder [MW] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

AM>> PGP/MIME is therefore a godsend. ...

MW> The only problem, as far as the list is concerned, is that your
MW> signed messages all have a message.att attachment, as follows:

MW> Content-Type: application/pgp-signature

We have reasoned that very few beta testers would be lagging behind
to the point where they would be unable to recognize a valid
PGP/MIME sig and that PGP users interested in verifying our
signatures would most likely be using up-to-date TB software. You
are clearly an exception :-).

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Re: S/MIME vs PGP

[Mark Wieder]

Allie-

Monday, August 25, 2003, 3:34:01 PM, you wrote:

AM> PGP/MIME is therefore a godsend. Between Marck, Leif, myself and the
AM> members who use PGP/MIME supported versions of TB!, i.e., beta versions
AM> , we can ensure that my messages are really from me. :)

The only problem, as far as the list is concerned, is that your signed
messages all have a message.att attachment, as follows:

Content-Type: application/pgp-signature

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Re: Blank mails

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Alexander,

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 18:33:30 +0200 GMT (26/08/2003, 23:33 +0700 GMT),
Alexander wrote:

> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="big5"

>> Traditional Chinese, as used in Taiwan and Hong Kong.

> I stand corrected (should've omitted the smiley). However, couldn't
> that be part of the problem?

I don't think so. I receive mails in Big5 encoding (but in English
language) without display problems.

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Re: Blank mails

[Alexander]

26-Aug-2003 17:48, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Content-Type: text/plain;
 charset="big5"

>>> Hu, what charset is that? :-)

>> afaik it's an Asian charset...

> Traditional Chinese, as used in Taiwan and Hong Kong.

I stand corrected (should've omitted the smiley). However, couldn't that be
part of the problem?

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Re: Blank mails

[Jernej Simončič]

On Tuesday, August 26, 2003, 17:27:33, Alexander wrote:

>> Content-Type: text/plain;
>> charset="big5"
> Hu, what charset is that? :-)

Chinese Traditional

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RE:Blank mails

[Jurgen Haug]

Hello Alexander,

Tuesday, August 26, 2003, 5:27:33 PM, you wrote:


> 25-Aug-2003 21:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> Content-Type: text/plain;
>> charset="big5"

> Hu, what charset is that? :-)


that's either chinese, or he's busy hunting for Lion, Elephant, Leopard, Buffalo and 
Rhino ;-)

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Re: Blank mails

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Antje,

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 17:36:50 +0200 GMT (26/08/2003, 22:36 +0700 GMT),
Antje Lehmann wrote:

>>> Content-Type: text/plain;
>>> charset="big5"

>> Hu, what charset is that? :-)

> afaik it's an Asian charset...

Traditional Chinese, as used in Taiwan and Hong Kong.

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Re[2]: Problem with Reply Template

[P.Johnson]

On Monday, August 25, 2003, 10:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

PJ>> I'm having trouble with a template for Reply while in The Bat
PJ>> folder.

M> The first thing I'll say here is that Address book templates are
M> often a better and clearer alternative to Folder templates. I use
M> them extensively. Folder templates can even be a danger when they
M> include macros to change the addressing of a message.

Marck,
Thanks very much-- I put the template info in the AB and it's now
working fine. I wonder why there is even the option of folder
templates...?
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Re[2]: Blank mails

[Antje Lehmann]

Alexander,

>> Content-Type: text/plain;
>> charset="big5"

> Hu, what charset is that? :-)

afaik it's an Asian charset...


Antje

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Re: Blank mails

[Alexander]

25-Aug-2003 21:31, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> Content-Type: text/plain;
> charset="big5"

Hu, what charset is that? :-)

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Re: POP3 to IMAP

[Greg Strong]

Hello Gunivortus,

> is there a possibility to copy the POP3 folderstructure from an
> account to an IMAP account?

I suggest you ask in TBBETA since you are really asking a question about
the beta since full IMAP support is not provided in release version.

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Re[2]: POP3 to IMAP

[Gunivortus Goos]

Hi,

GG>> is there a possibility to copy the POP3 folderstructure from an
GG>> account to an IMAP account?

> I don't know the answer however I wanted to suggest that you could
> signup for a @myrealbox (novell free pop/imap service) and test it
> out.

That's not the problem, the IMAP at my mailserver works. The problem is
the config in TB.
In stead of making by hand all my existing POP3 folders in the IMAP
account, I asked for an option to copy (transfer) it all from the POP3
config in TB to the IMAP config in TB.

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Re: POP3 to IMAP

[PIXIE]

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 13:13:19 +0200 GMT, Gunivortus Goos wrote:

GG> is there a possibility to copy the POP3 folderstructure from an account to an
GG> IMAP account?

I don't know the answer however I wanted to suggest that you could
signup for a @myrealbox (novell free pop/imap service) and test it
out.

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Re: Re[2]: POP3 to IMAP

[o . voelker]

Hi!

> ovgd> Additional question: How can I change a POP3 Account to an IMAP
> account?
> I  always  thought that you'd have to find a mail provider or ISP that
> provided IMAP accounts?

You have to configure the Bat, too ;)
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Re[3]: POP3 to IMAP

[Gunivortus Goos]

Hi Jamie,

>>> is there a possibility to copy the POP3 folderstructure from an account to
>>> an IMAP account?
>>> This to prevend me creating all over 40 folders new from hand.

> I  always  thought that you'd have to find a mail provider or ISP that
> provided IMAP accounts?

I have both possibilities, so I can use POP3 and IMAP at the same account.
I tried it our with Mulberry and that worked well.

At the moment, I've everything in TB as POP3, but would like to try out IMAP with TB.
Therefore I asked for the possibility setting over the whole POP3 config to an
IMAP account that I created. Doing it all over by hand, creating all those
folders with templates, etc., that I've in POP3 and wish also in IMAP would cost
me a lot of time, which I haven't.

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Re[2]: POP3 to IMAP

[Jamie Dainton]

Hello o,

Tuesday, August 26, 2003, 12:19:29 PM, you wrote:

>> is there a possibility to copy the POP3 folderstructure from an account to
>> an IMAP account?
>> This to prevend me creating all over 40 folders new from hand.

ovgd> Additional question: How can I change a POP3 Account to an IMAP account?

I  always  thought that you'd have to find a mail provider or ISP that
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Re: POP3 to IMAP

[o . voelker]

Hi!

> is there a possibility to copy the POP3 folderstructure from an account to
> an IMAP account?
> This to prevend me creating all over 40 folders new from hand.

Additional question: How can I change a POP3 Account to an IMAP account?

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POP3 to IMAP

[Gunivortus Goos]

Hi,

is there a possibility to copy the POP3 folderstructure from an account to an
IMAP account?
This to prevend me creating all over 40 folders new from hand.

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Re: PGP Signage

[Carsten Thönges]

* Michael Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

>   Is there a macro to stop signing messages to certain addresses? I am
>   using 2.0 Beta 4. I want to stop signing messages to Yahoo Mail
>   lists as it is pointless cos they strip all non text.

--8<---cut here---start->8---
%IF:'%-
%-%-%SetPattRegExp="@yahoogroups\."%-
%-%-%RegExpMatch="%ToAddr"'<>''%-
:'%-
%-%-%NoSignComplete'%-
--8<---cut here---end--->8---

This one looks at the To: address and iff it finds an
[EMAIL PROTECTED] string it switches off signing. You should wrap it
into a Quick Template and call it from your templates via
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Re[2]: Moving The Bat to another computer with same OS

[Craig Westerman]

Allie,

Sunday, August 24, 2003, 11:44:54 PM, you wrote:

AM> Craig Westerman, [CW] wrote:

CW>> Can I just backup The Bat on 1st computer. Install TB on 2nd
CW>> computer and restore it from backup file of 1st computer?

CW>> Or is there another preferred method to move TB to new computer?

AM> This is the easiest method if it works. Unfortunately, for inexplicable
AM> reasons, it hasn't worked out for some. I've been using the same
AM> installation of TB! since I registered in 1999 across multiple machines
AM> and multiple OS installations. TB!'s backup and restore routing worked
AM> for me without problems on 3 of those occasions (no failures when I used
AM> it).

AM> Just be sure not to delete the original installation unless you have a
AM> restored installation on your new machine.

AM> If this routine doesn't work, then you could do it the manual way. This
AM> would involve copying the installation to the new machine, exporting the
AM> registry key for TB!, restoring the key to the new system and making
AM> changes as needed to the path related key entry values.

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 I have ever experienced. My hat is off to TB! dev crew.

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Re: Plug-in SDK / API info availability

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello PIXIE,

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 22:12:22 -0400 GMT (26/08/2003, 09:12 +0700 GMT),
PIXIE wrote:

> I'm interested in exploring the plug-in API and perhaps writting some
> widgets for TB!, can someone point me in the right direction?

First, you would want to subscribe to TBBETA, as plug-in capability is
a beta feature. Then, for plug-in API and such, you want to subscribe
to TBTECH.

For subscription questions, consult the link at the footer of each
message to this list.

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Re: Blank mails

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello John,

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 05:31:10 +1000 GMT (26/08/2003, 02:31 +0700 GMT),
John Phillips wrote:

>> Could you post the headers of such a message here?

> Below.  My mistake last e-mail.  I can only see the mail (see below)
> in this post if pressing F9.   (Last line)

I copied the whole message from this line:

> Received: from mail.rivernet.com.au by b9 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> (applied security profile: Low) at Mon, 25 Aug 2003 19:49:05 +1000

to this line:

> Pls kindly forward your emails to my new email address in future:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED], thank you.

and saved it in plain text as jp.msg. Then I clicked on the new file,
and TB displayed the message fine, including that last line as message
body. IOW it works perfectly over here.

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Re: Blank mails

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello John,

On Tue, 26 Aug 2003 05:26:53 +1000 GMT (26/08/2003, 02:26 +0700 GMT),
John Phillips wrote:

>> Or are the messages maybe formatted in html using white text on a white
>> background?

> Why then would I see them on a reply?

TB generates a plain-text version of the HTML mail when you hit reply.

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Re: Hello and a couple questions (dispatcher & this list)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello PIXIE,

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 15:41:49 -0400 GMT (26/08/2003, 02:41 +0700 GMT),
PIXIE wrote:

> Well... Seems that I was in error once again.  I am in GMT-0400 until
> October 26 @ 2AM.  Hadn't crossed my mind that the silly daylight
> savings time hour shift was in effect.

Ouch! You didn't even know you are on daylight savings? I envy your
indepedence from clocks and watches. ;-)

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Re[3]: S/MIME vs PGP

[Joseph N.]

   On Monday, August 25, 2003, PIXIE wrote in
:

P> I've really not any practical use for any of the certificate
P> options
P> it just a neat widget in there that I would like to geek
P> with. :-)

Well, I thought I wasn't too fond of using nouns as transitive verbs,
as in "impact," but you've changed my take on the whole thing. There
couldn't be any better construction than wanting "to geek with"
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Plug-in SDK / API info availability

[PIXIE]

I'm interested in exploring the plug-in API and perhaps writting some
widgets for TB!, can someone point me in the right direction?

Version 1.x info would be okay for some insight but I really would
like to look into writing a spam filter plug-in for v2.

BTW: I left a message titled:
 "OT: TB! v2 price anyone? Help deciding on a version and so forth"

I realize perhaps it may just have not gotten any responses for lack
of interest but I wanted to ask if there was some other technical,
list reason that maybe it is simply not being shown in the list?

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Re[2]: S/MIME vs PGP

[PIXIE]

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 18:55:14 -0500 GMT, Scott McNay wrote:

SM> As decribed by Allie, the internal implementation doesn't work for me
SM> at all, and I need to use MS Crypto in order to reecognize my own

I take it you are referring solely to S/MIME here?

I've come to the conclusion that the internal implementations are best
used for a closed environment where keeping up with the world isn't
required.

..which leads me to my next question, my guess is that Secure Bat! or
Authentic Bat! would be no different -- RFC-1991 internal PGP and same
issues with S/MIME?

I've really not any practical use for any of the certificate options
it just a neat widget in there that I would like to geek with. :-)

Sounds like the worst case is if I use the RFC-1991 that I won't be
able to verify most of the PGP sigs and if I were to want to use the
ciphers to exchange email then the other party would have to jump a
couple hoops so that I could properly decode from them. Aside from
that most everyone would be able to read my RFC-1991 sigs and decrypt
from me?

Heh! I am using W95 after all.. may as well go all out and stay in the
20th century with PGP. :-)

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Re: Problem with Reply Template

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi P,

@25-Aug-2003, 12:29 -0500 (18:29 UK time) P . Johnson [PJ] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

PJ> I'm having trouble with a template for Reply while in The Bat
PJ> folder.

The first thing I'll say here is that Address book templates are
often a better and clearer alternative to Folder templates. I use
them extensively. Folder templates can even be a danger when they
include macros to change the addressing of a message.

Consider also, that any "off-list" replies will still inherit the
formatting you have designed for on-list messages.

PJ> Nothing at all appears in the message section, even though the
PJ> macros are in the template (in fact I copied them from anther
PJ> folder). The template is pretty simple:

PJ> %Cursor

PJ> - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -

PJ> On %ODateEn, %TIME, %OFROMADDR wrote:

PJ> %Quotes

In this instance, I would check in your address book to see if you
have an entry for the list posting address and look at the templates
there. If there is a specific template it will override the folder
template anyway.

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Re: It appears I have screwed myself by registering v 1.62r early

[PIXIE]

On Mon, 25 Aug 2003 09:41:30 -0500 GMT, Craig Westerman wrote:

CW>  Is this correct?

Hi Craig,

Although I've got no past experience with TB or RIT it has been
apparent that their main talent lay in programming. Perhaps come
September 1 the official news update will be happy.

Frankly I can't imagine them locking you into v1.xx when your purchase
was on the last official release of 1.xx and within such close
proximity to a new release.  Seems equivalent to them shooting
themselves in the foot -- surly would create some noise in the reviews.

In the short time I have been foraging for information about TB I have
run across people who have written that RIT stated they would be
getting a free update to 2.x due to the proximity that they registered
v1.x.

It's confusing at best, especially when the official word at the site
at this time seems to be a little unclear.

EG: "Within 2 months.." sounds to me like a generous offer to v1.xx
users who may have been using/upgrading for free for years and really
not saying 'those who bought within two months of v2 release..'

Essentially I am thinking there may be translation/interpretation
confusion.  Considering other stuff I've read on the site, the
emails I received from them and so forth it's been apparent that
although it's in english, it's not the typical run of the mill
american english that I take for granted and I find myself needing to
read, reread.. Sadly I'm still confused... Part of which has kept me
from having already registering TB!.

Pixie
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Using The Bat! v2.0 Beta/4 on Windows 95 4.0



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