Re: PC Mag Review Of The Bat!
Dear Chris, @30-Jan-2004, 23:10 -0500 (31-Jan 04:10 UK time) Chris [C] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to John: C Are the help files really written in Moldovan and then translated C into English? No. They're written in sort-of English by Moldovans and then some of it is translated to real English by me g. Although some of the help is really great, it has too many sections that aren't. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Insert [snip] on deleting a chunk
Dear Daniel, @30-Jan-2004, 19:58 +0100 (30-Jan 18:58 UK time) dAniel hAhler [DH] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP ' DH ^ ;) MDP That's there for GPG non-MIME signatures. The TB plug in strips MDP trailing blank lines before signing. I must update my templates MDP to make it conditional on non-MIME PGP signing being active. DH what does this mean? If you sign with GPG it would fail without DH the ' on the last line? No, it just means that without it, the signature block would be crammed up against the signature with no intervening blank line to space it out. DH What's non-MIME? Clear text signature, not PGP-MIME signature. DH has it to do with S-MIME? No. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.03.47 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: PC Mag Review Of The Bat!
Hello Marck, C Are the help files really written in Moldovan and then translated C into English? MDP No. They're written in sort-of English by Moldovans and then some of MDP it is translated to real English by me g. Ah! Then it wouldn't be a criticism to point out the automatical under Options|Network Administration|Network. This is in 1.62r, so maybe it's been dealt with in v2. If The Bat! received a positive review from PCMagazine, the user base would increase, then the giant companies like Earthlink (and probably aol) would have to retrain their tech support people, perish the thought. -- Maggiemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Export of messages and address books
I have not been able to use TheBat since beta 45 due to constant access violations or abrupt program terminations. It has taken me three days to reach the point where I could turn off the automatic checking of mailboxes at startup, and I don't have the time for another week to do systems work, so I am looking for help now in temporarily exporting my messages and address books to Mozilla Firebird. Firebird can import messages from: Communicator 4.x, Eudora, Outlook and Outlook Express, and address books from: Eudora, Outlook, Outlook Express and text files such as LDIF, .tab, .csv, and .txt. How do I go about it? -- Mogens Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Export of messages and address books
Hallo Mogens, On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:03:19 +0100GMT (31-1-04, 16:03 +0100, where I live), you wrote: MH I have not been able to use TheBat since beta 45 due to constant access MH violations or abrupt program terminations. In that case I'd go back to a previous, more stable version. MH Firebird can import messages from: Communicator 4.x, Eudora, MH Outlook and Outlook Express, TB can export to *.eml and you can drag those to OE (Find their location with the Windows Explorer and drag them to the OE screen) From there Firebird should be able to import them. MH and address books from: Eudora, Outlook, Outlook Express and text MH files such as LDIF, .tab, .csv, and .txt. TB can export to LDIF, that would be best... -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Export of messages and address books
Roelof Otten wrote: Hallo Mogens, On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:03:19 +0100GMT (31-1-04, 16:03 +0100, where I live), you wrote: MH I have not been able to use TheBat since beta 45 due to constant access MH violations or abrupt program terminations. In that case I'd go back to a previous, more stable version. MH Firebird can import messages from: Communicator 4.x, Eudora, MH Outlook and Outlook Express, TB can export to *.eml and you can drag those to OE (Find their location with the Windows Explorer and drag them to the OE screen) From there Firebird should be able to import them. MH and address books from: Eudora, Outlook, Outlook Express and text MH files such as LDIF, .tab, .csv, and .txt. TB can export to LDIF, that would be best... Thanks - I converted the address books and got most of the information over. I have removed OE from my setup so I gave it a try to back in the versions and had to go all the way back to 2.02.03 before the violations stopped. The was a complete reinstall, so I tried for the heck of it to install beta 50 and was back at the violations again. Fixed that, but don't know why I am the only one with this type of problem. Well, the new version should be out soon. -- Mogens Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Export of messages and address books
Hello Mogens! On Saturday, January 31, 2004, 10:14 AM, you wrote: MH Fixed that, but don't know why I am the only one with this type of MH problem. Well, the new version should be out soon. I've been lurking on tbbeta and saw a couple of hours or so ago that beta 51 is available to download. Message ID, from Stefan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PC Mag Review Of The Bat!
John Morse wrote: Did anyone see the PC Mag review of The Bat yet? They gave The Bat! 2 marks out of a possible 5 Outlook 2003 received 5 marks. While I think criticism is healthy, and I'm not one to have blind loyalty tendencies, I do think this review was pretty crappy. There are certainly things to criticize about The Bat, but PC Magazine missed them, IMO. My only guess as to the overly cute comment would be the splash screen (?) Where else could TB possibly be overly cute? Outlook's Mail Ticker ... err... small window that appears when new messages arrive does have one nice feature: it automatically fades out. That might be a good consideration for a future mail ticker option. Spam and anti-virus is best left to the user. There are so many good programs out there for both, why judge an e-mail client on its *native* support for either? Isn't one of the reasons so many people run from Outlook (or Word or ...) is because it's so bloated with features that it's too damn slow? Outlook can do some good things (rarely is an app all bad - even though it's easy to jump on anything Microsoft). To me, Outlook's best asset is compatibility - most e-mail related software will work with Outlook. This is important for things like Palm-related apps and such. But if a program's best asset is that lots of people use it, that doesn't speak much of it's feature set/usability/reliability/etc. And we all know that due to Outlook's popularity (and Microsoft's address book), it's the mail client most targeted by viruses. It's funny that Eudora is so popular. I would use Outlook over Eudora in a minute. But that's just me. PocoMail is a decent e-mail client, but has more problems than The Bat and isn't as powerful. I'm not sure why so much emphasis was based on spam-blocking, when there was a separate review of spam-blocking tools (some of the e-mail client reviews even reference this other article). It seems that clients lost a lot of points based on poor native spam-blocking. It's too bad the reviewer didn't spend some more time discussing The Bat's template and filtering capability (which is the best around, IMO). Without getting too much into the validity and/or seriousness of PC Magazine, how thorough could a review be in 253 words? I think PCMag is sort of the McDonalds's of tech magazines, so just being part of the review is testament to The Bat's growing popularity. (Becky and Mulberry certainly weren't mentioned). -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
thread sorting
Is there a way to have threads sort by most recent activity? That is, if someone today posts to a thread started 6 months ago, that thread (if sorting by created date) would move to the most recent. Changing the older message begins a thread setting doesn't seem to have any effect. The reason I ask about this is that sometimes there is a thread I am watching, and it may not get a response for awhile. If it's an active mailing list with lots of threads, it's easy for that thread to move off screen. I was wondering if there was a method where the thread would show up as recent if a new post arrived. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: my solution
ken green wrote: I have reverted back to 1.62r on my main machine. I plan to continue trying out the betas on my laptop. Follow-up: one problem I have discovered (and I think I already knew this) is that 1.62's IMAP implementation doesn't download messages that have already been read. So this means that if I check messages from another computer/web interface, I have to manually download them when I return to my desktop (using Dispatcher). This can be quite a hassle for a lot of e-mail, and can create a lot of duplicate messages if I want to be careful about not missing anything. (sigh...) Perhaps it's time to give v2 another go? ;) -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: disable parallel mail catchup of all accounts
Leif Gregory wrote: kg Is this an acronym I don't know, shorthand for acknowledged, or is kg it an onomatopoeia - like what Bill The Cat would say? ;) ACK - Acknowledged NAK - Negative Acknowledgement or Not Acknowledged Not a Bloom County/Bill the Cat fan? -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: thread sorting
Hello ken, Saturday, January 31, 2004, 2:45:55 PM, you wrote: kg Is there a way to have threads sort by most recent activity? That is, kg if someone today posts to a thread started 6 months ago, that thread (if kg sorting by created date) would move to the most recent. ... snip ... If you click on the Received column header this should accomplish what you want (it is how I have mine set as well) -- Best regards, Dan Perez San Diego CA pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Editor keyboard assignments
Anyone know if the TB folks are working on a configurable editor vis a vis keyboard assignments? I'm constantly getting messed up with differences between my regular editor and the one in TB. (The former, Multi-Edit, is totally configurable but I've been using it for so many years that I'd rather have other programs behave like it rather than the other way around.) -- Jonathan Wayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: thread sorting
Dan Perez wrote: If you click on the Received column header this should accomplish what you want (it is how I have mine set as well) Nope, I don't think so. At least not for me - not if you are viewing threads by reference. For this list (TBUDL), two recent threads are: PC Mag Review Of The Bat! and Export of messages and address books The most recent post to the PC Mag thread has a created and received timestamp 6-7 minutes *after* the most recent post in the Export thread. This would lead one to believe that the PC Mag thread is more recent (updated most recently). But regardless of whether I sort on Created or Received, the Export thread sorts after the PC Mag thread (I have new messages at the bottom). Am I missing a setting or misinterpreting something? -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: upgrade: WARNING!
Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], Friday, January 30, 2004, 4:09:59 PM, you wrote: GI Hello Paul Berger, GI vrijdag 30 januari 2004, 5:25:52, you wrote: PB Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], PB Friday, January 30, 2004, 1:05:19 AM, you wrote: Anyone know where I can download v1.62r? GI I can help you. Great! Is there a download site, or could you email it to [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? -- Paul - Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A ...The best cure for insomnia is to get a lot of sleep. Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Problems with The Bat
Howdy, Thanks Roelof, that fixed the problem perfectly :) Cheers, Scott Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: thread sorting
Hello ken, Saturday, January 31, 2004, 4:36:33 PM, you wrote: ... snip ... kg Nope, I don't think so. At least not for me - not if you are viewing kg threads by reference. For this list (TBUDL), two recent threads are: kg PC Mag Review Of The Bat! kg and kg Export of messages and address books kg The most recent post to the PC Mag thread has a created and received kg timestamp 6-7 minutes *after* the most recent post in the Export thread. kg This would lead one to believe that the PC Mag thread is more recent kg (updated most recently). ... snip ... Yes I see what you mean now. I have my threads sorted by Subject so my suggestion works that way, but when I sort by Reference (What is reference anyways?) I can see that it does not work then. Maybe this is a bug? -- Best regards, Dan Perez San Diego CA pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editor keyboard assignments
Hello jwayne, Friday, January 30, 2004, 1:15:29 PM, you wrote: j Anyone know if the TB folks are working on a configurable editor vis a vis j keyboard assignments? I'm constantly getting messed up with differences between j my regular editor and the one in TB. (The former, Multi-Edit, is totally j configurable but I've been using it for so many years that I'd rather have other j programs behave like it rather than the other way around.) Couldn't you do that within the Alt+F12 popup? You might have to launch it within an editor window (such as a new email window) to access the actions you want to edit. Or am I misunderstanding your question? -- Best regards, Dan Perez San Diego CA pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Re[6]: upgrade: WARNING!
Hello Paul Berger, zondag 1 februari 2004, 1:48:42, you wrote: Anyone know where I can download v1.62r? GI I can help you. PB Great! PB Is there a download site, or could you email it to PB [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? Sorry on the moment I do not have a site. I wil sent you it by email. -- Kind regards, Gerda Ilmer Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/50 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Editor keyboard assignments
On Saturday, January 31, 2004, 8:36:29 PM, Dan Perez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DP Hello jwayne, DP Friday, January 30, 2004, 1:15:29 PM, you wrote: j Anyone know if the TB folks are working on a configurable editor vis a vis j keyboard assignments? I'm constantly getting messed up with differences between j my regular editor and the one in TB. (The former, Multi-Edit, is totally j configurable but I've been using it for so many years that I'd rather have other j programs behave like it rather than the other way around.) DP Couldn't you do that within the Alt+F12 popup? You might have to launch it DP within an editor window (such as a new email window) to access the actions DP you want to edit. Or am I misunderstanding your question? No, you understood correctly. I searched and searched in the Help file but couldn't find any mention of re-mapping the keyboard. How could they leave this feature out of the Help?? Problem solved - thanks! -- jwayne [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-Virus Software?
Hello Greg, Thursday, January 8, 2004, 2:29:12 PM, Greg Strong wrote: GS What quality does some of the free AV provide? AS a reply to this off topic thread which is actually on topic. :-) I have downloaded, installed, and tested free AVG with TB on this dual boot system. Seems to work fine with AVG plug-in. I tested on an email account I have to use with EarthLink newsgroups. All I get on that account is viruses and worm attachments. I haven't been able to convince EarthLink that such authentication to their news servers is bad policy. AVG found worms and viruses. Only problem was I was going to run under test on just one of the bootable partitions. Apparently TB preferences must be in file located in the the Mail folder, so I have to run AVG on both bootable partitions. Oh well. I wanted to see how AVG compared to NAV, but can't do. So I'll run AVG for a while before my NAV subscription runs out. It will be a good basis to determine what to do. Seems good so far -- Best Regards, Greg Strong WinAmp Playing: Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/51 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Export of messages and address books
Hello Mary, On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 16:32:12 -0600 GMT (01/02/2004, 05:32 +0700 GMT), Mary R Bull wrote: I've been lurking on tbbeta and saw a couple of hours or so ago that beta 51 is available to download. Message ID, from Stefan: [EMAIL PROTECTED] mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Type mid:; in front of the message ID and it becomes clickable. Try clicking on both strings above and watch the different behaviour of TB. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Du kannst dir auch eine Frikadelle ans Knie nageln und so lange drehen, bis UKW kommt. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.03 Beta/51 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
