More observation on Bayesit!
Hi Well I'm still persevering! I've now transcribed 83 different regex rules over to Bayesit. I extracted them from my copy of MailWasher. This seems to have made a dramatic improvement in spam catching. I've now reduced the spam failures from 100% (really!) to below 54% in two days. Looking at the logs it appears that the rules catch the majority of offenders.. If anyone else would like to try my rule set let me know and I'll email the file over. -- Best regards Barry Using TheBat! version 3.0.1.33 and BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: More observation on Bayesit!
Hello Barry, A reminder of what Barry on TBUDL typed on: 21 February 2005 at 10:05:26 GMT +0100 B If anyone else would like to try my rule set let me know and I'll email the B file over. Yes please Barry. -- Best regards,Tony. _ Message composed on 21/02/2005 at 09:08 UTC 2004 - AWB Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on :gentoo: www.gentoo.org PGP Key http://www.theboomclan.com/pgp.txt smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pretending to use The Bat!
* MAU writes: As many of you know, blaming The Bat! for spam is not an new issue. Look what I got yesterday: [...] Yes, hits=6.5 required=5.0 tests=FORGED_MUA_THEBAT,MDAEMON_SPAM_BLOCKER version=2.54 ** Start SpamAssassin results 6.50 points, 5 required; * 3.0 -- Message has been marked by MDaemon's Spam Blocker * 3.5 -- Forged mail pretending to be from The Bat! End of SpamAssassin results Some sysadmins are just stupid. I am NOT pretending to use The Bat!, I _am_ _using_ The Bat! As far as I know FORGET_MUA_THEBAT also checks whether the Message-ID is TB!-like ... just to have »The Bat!« as X-Mailer is not enough to make this rule match. Carsten -- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: More observation on Bayesit!
ON Monday, February 21, 2005, 10:01:40 AM, you wrote: B If anyone else would like to try my rule set let me know and I'll email the B file over. Hi Barry, I would love to try them. How much do the slow down bayesIt? -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Golf! You hit down to make the ball go up. You swing left and the ball goes right. The lowest score wins. And on top of that, the winner buys the drinks. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: More observation on Bayesit!
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 11:47:44 +0100, Gerard wrote: ON Monday, February 21, 2005, 10:01:40 AM, you wrote: B If anyone else would like to try my rule set let me know and I'll email the B file over. Hi Barry, I would love to try them. How much do the slow down bayesIt? Can you confirm your email addresses as the Gmane server confuses them... -- Best regards Barry [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TheBat! version 3.0.1.33 and BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: More observation on Bayesit!
Hello Barry! On Monday, February 21, 2005, 3:01 AM, you wrote: Barry Hi Barry I've now transcribed 83 different regex rules over to Bayesit. I extracted Barry them from my copy of MailWasher. Barry If anyone else would like to try my rule set let me know and I'll email the Barry file over. Send it to my email address below please. Thank you. -- IMHO Have A Happy, Ronmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :usflag: :Ron_Cameron: :Flag-US-IA: Using :tbflaga: The Bat! v3.0.2.10 :beta: on Windows XP 5.1 Build on a Pentium III 700 MHz with 768 MB Percentage of spam email in the last 24 hours = 10 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: More observation on Bayesit!
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 05:04:35 -0600, Ron Cameron wrote: Hello Barry! Send it to my email address below please. You'll have to drop me a line Ron, Gmane hides your identity very well! -- Best regards Barry barryh'at'kentra'dot'co'dot'uk Using TheBat! version 3.0.1.33 and BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: More observation on Bayesit!
Hello Barry, A reminder of what Barry on TBUDL typed on: 21 February 2005 at 12:30:15 GMT +0100 B You'll have to drop me a line Ron, Gmane hides your identity very well! Why not post it to this list, that way everyone who uses Bayesit can try it and you won't have to send it a dozen times. -- Best regards,Tony. _ Message composed on 21/02/2005 at 12:19 UTC 2004 - AWB Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on :gentoo: www.gentoo.org PGP Key http://www.theboomclan.com/pgp.txt smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 21 Feb 2005, @ @ at 08:20:20 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote: Mica, Monday, February 21, 2005, 12:41:17 AM, you wrote: MM Okay. Tell me first do you as well have your address on some of web MM sites of yours, and if you do, in what form you have it exposed there? MM Namely, what exactly mailto:; code/form you use? No, I don't have it on any public web sites. I don't have any mail to code. I have three addresses, but most of the spam comes to only one of them. Okay then, less problems to solve. Tell me, do you have some friends, or business partners who do not address you properly, namely not using your full name (or a screen/nick name defined by yourself) in TO (or CC) field, but using only the address of yours? If yes, we'll tighten/tweak them a bit. Let's work with this address you say most of spam is coming to (so we can see the results better, and quicker). - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast :flagmica: [Earth LOG: 173 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OS: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1 with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector via Wine... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFCGdaV9q62QPd3XuIRAufaAJ9SADNLQ6M+7uysL+r5KomTqoWnGgCfX8XP 9thZSNh0fQaS2+46cHgtEhM= =0SAv -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB voyager : mobile solution...
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Mon, 21 Feb 2005, @ @ at 17:30:45 +1300, when Allister Jenks wrote: That's why God (or at least the fellows at Apple) invented the iPod. :-) What's that, actually? - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast o [Earth LOG: 173 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OS: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium with nestled ZipSlack(tm) 9.1 UMSDOS Linux, and with Bochs 2.1.1 with a small DLX Linux; and, for TB sometimes, Gentoo and Vector via Wine... -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFCGdiD9q62QPd3XuIRAvW0AKCOL821KhO03aupbMvK239rhkMfAgCeJ9nZ F4rmM/3nsbU0fstpMM9XrPA= =9YtE -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB voyager : mobile solution...
ON Sunday, February 20, 2005, 6:26:09 PM, you wrote: W This method is usefully for me because I format often my hard Drive W because I do many tests. Now, I do not reinstall any more my TB each time. It W is in the USB key Hi WilWilWil, Why not install a second Hard drive in your system and make a multiboot system. You can experiment until you see blue in the face but there is always a working system waiting for you ;-) Heck even my Thinkpad is Multiboot on a single disk. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Deuce - A score of two for any hole. Too many of these on your scorecard means you're probably only counting your tee shots. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: More observation on Bayesit!
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 at 09:01:40 +, Barry wrote: B Hi B Well I'm still persevering! B I've now transcribed 83 different regex rules over to Bayesit. I extracted B them from my copy of MailWasher. B This seems to have made a dramatic improvement in spam catching. I've now B reduced the spam failures from 100% (really!) to below 54% in two days. B Looking at the logs it appears that the rules catch the majority of B offenders.. B If anyone else would like to try my rule set let me know and I'll email the B file over. I'd be happy of a copy of the ruleset. Might see if I can apply it to Bayes Filter as well. -- Best regards, David See kludges for my pgp key. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
AVG Certification Message
I am bamboozled. I get emails from others (not necessarily using The Bat!) that have this string embedded: No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 18/02/2005 Is this text added automatically to The Bat messages or do I have to write my own macro to add this? (The AVG plug-in works fine.) In AVG 7 I have certify turned ON in both Incoming and Outgoing mail. I am still using Version 1.61 of The Bat! -- Paul S. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: More observation on Bayesit!
On Mon, 21 Feb 2005 12:20:31 +, Tony Boom wrote: Hello Barry, A reminder of what Barry on TBUDL typed on: 21 February 2005 at 12:30:15 GMT +0100 B You'll have to drop me a line Ron, Gmane hides your identity very well! Why not post it to this list, that way everyone who uses Bayesit can try it and you won't have to send it a dozen times. I thought attachments were not allowed. Marck's slapped my wrist before! -- Best regards Barry barryh'at'kentra'dot'co'dot'uk Using TheBat! version 3.0.1.33 and BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: More observation on Bayesit!
Hello Barry, On Monday, February 21, 2005 at 09:01:40 GMT + (which was 10:01:40 where I live), Barry wrote and made these valuable points on the subject of More observation on Bayesit!: Hi Well I'm still persevering! I've now transcribed 83 different regex rules over to Bayesit. I extracted them from my copy of MailWasher. Why all these problems and hassle if Spambayes can do all the work for you with just a little bit of training? -- Best regards, Dick ___ Those are my principles. If you don't like them I have others.-- Groucho Marx Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG Certification Message
On Monday, February 21, 2005, 11:19:09, Paul Stephen wrote: Is this text added automatically to The Bat messages or do I have to write my own macro to add this? (The AVG plug-in works fine.) I wouldn't bother to add it. Nobody should rely on what a message says. It just gives a false sense of security. To exaggerate: This message contains no virus, no adware, no spyware and it isn't spam. Run this attachment now. It's good for you. Regards, Roman -- Conversation, n.: A vocal competition in which the one who is catching his breath is called the listener. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG Certification Message
Hello Paul, On Monday, February 21, 2005 at 10:19:09 GMT -0600 (which was 17:19:09 where I live), Paul Stephen wrote and made these valuable points on the subject of AVG Certification Message: I am bamboozled. I get emails from others (not necessarily using The Bat!) that have this string embedded: No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 266.1.0 - Release Date: 18/02/2005 Is this text added automatically to The Bat messages or do I have to write my own macro to add this? (The AVG plug-in works fine.) In AVG 7 I have certify turned ON in both Incoming and Outgoing mail. I am still using Version 1.61 of The Bat! This signature is added by the AVG system if you select the option to do so. IMHO, it's totally ridiculous to add such a signature, especially when you have no attachment added. -- Best regards, Dick ___ Being in a nudist colony probably takes all the fun out of Halloween. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: More observation on Bayesit!
Hello Barry, I've now transcribed 83 different regex rules over to Bayesit. I extracted them from my copy of MailWasher. This seems to have made a dramatic improvement in spam catching. I've now reduced the spam failures from 100% (really!) to below 54% in two days. this seems to be a great deal of work just to filter spam. I set up K9 and had it at 95% accuracy in about a week's training. It has improved since. Furthermore: I never got BayesIt to work. The fact that there doesn't seem to be documentation doesn't help. Even when the German magazine c't (highly respected) tested several mail programs and their spam filtering capabilities they couln't get it to work. In other tests that I've read BayesIt seemed to always be worse than other Bayes-based competitors. The upshot of this: No BayesIt fo me!!11 Roman -- We are on the verge: Today our program proved Fermat's next-to-last theorem. Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG Certification Message
Hello Dick, DH This signature is added by the AVG system if you select the DH option to do so. IMHO, it's totally ridiculous to add such a DH signature, especially when you have no attachment added. OK, I agree -- I just wanted to know HOW this is accomplished (for my own amusement. g) As I stated, I have VERIFY turned on in AVG for both INCOMING and OUTGOING mail but nothing is added. I thought this was the OPTION but no verification text is added to my emails. What's the trick? -- Paul Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: More observation on Bayesit!
Dear Barry, @21-Feb-2005, 17:01 Barry [B] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: Why not post it to this list, that way everyone who uses Bayesit can try it and you won't have to send it a dozen times. B I thought attachments were not allowed. Marck's slapped my wrist before! Attachments are allowed but only up to a list maximum of 25kb. TBBETA has a higher ceiling of 40kb. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.2.10 on Windows NT Clone 5.2.3790 ' pgpGRhF4XcbiY.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: AVG Certification Message
Hello Paul, On Monday, February 21, 2005 at 11:54:51 GMT -0600 (which was 18:54:51 where I live), Paul Stephen wrote and made these valuable points on the subject of AVG Certification Message: Hello Dick, As I stated, I have VERIFY turned on in AVG for both INCOMING and OUTGOING mail but nothing is added. I thought this was the OPTION but no verification text is added to my emails. What's the trick? I stopped using AVG more than a year ago and as far as I can remember this signature is only supported for Outlook or Outlook/Express..maybe there are AVG guru's here who can confirm or correct this? -- Best regards, Dick ___ Fund = give money; amentalism = mindlessness. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: selective download filter
Hi rich, On 21/02/2005 01:21 PM, you wrote: I would like a selective download filter that looks for and deletes any mssg with meds (note the leading and trailing spaces) in both headers bodies. Will the selective download filter drop the trailing (or leading) space if I do not specify it in some special way? You would need to specify a regular expression for that. \smeds\s That should do it. The \s means a space character. -- _ _ _ __ _| | (_) ___ /\/\ / _` | | | |/ _ \/\ | (_| | | | | __/ / /\/\ \ \__,_|_|_|_|\___|___\/\/ |_| A little inaccuracy sometimes saves tons of explanation. signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AVG Certification Message
Hi On Monday 21 February 2005 at 5:54:51 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Paul Stephen wrote: As I stated, I have VERIFY turned on in AVG for both INCOMING and OUTGOING mail but nothing is added. I thought this was the OPTION but no verification text is added to my emails. You actually said certify in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Verify performs the check and certify adds a note about the positive result. Presumably the message is not sent if a virus _is_ found. The only possible use I can see for this is for testing purposes and I would _strongly_ urge anybody who has these ridiculous certifications in their emails to turn them off. What's the trick? If using the AVG plugin for TB! go to Options | Preferences | Protection | Anti-virus double-click AVG Plug-in for The Bat! on the list you find. Remove the ticks from both boxes marked certify mail. Press OK. If using AVG's generic email scanner, open the AVG control centre and doubleclick on email scanner then click configure, then remove the ticks... as above. If you want the certification messages on, say for testing or perhaps to annoy people, put those ticks back. If you click on details, you can customise the message (and change the language for the bits about versions and release dates). -- Best regards, MFPAmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Manual filtering problem
Hi all, Recently moved from TB v1.63 to 2.0 and now neither of my manual filters (hot keys) work. Is this a bug in the new version? Thanks in advance for any suggestions, solutions. -- Best regards, Nick Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Manual filtering problem
At 18:04 [GMT-0500] on Monday February 21 (actual time - 7:04am on Tuesday in Perth, Western Australia), you wrote: Nick Recently moved from TB v1.63 to 2.0 and now neither of my manual Nick filters (hot keys) work. Is this a bug in the new version? Unless this is a message from LONG ago, v2 ain't 'new'. V3 has been out for a while now, and it's got a brand-new filter system. -- cheers, mic If you think you're too small to be effective, you've never been in bed with a mosquito. - Anita Roddick, Founder of The Body Shop Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM
Mica, Monday, February 21, 2005, 5:39:50 PM, you wrote: MM Okay then, less problems to solve. Tell me, do you have some friends, or MM business partners who do not address you properly, namely not using your MM full name (or a screen/nick name defined by yourself) in TO (or CC) MM field, but using only the address of yours? I assume I'm like most folks: I have my friends and others in my address book and flagged so they go to the known folder; I have white-listed mailing lists like TBUDL; but I do receive mail that is not spam from others who are not in my book but whom I know or were referred to me by friends. My friends use all sorts of nicknames for me, including only the address; I can try to train them, but will have to deal with the third on a case-by-case basis. -- Rick Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB voyager : mobile solution...
Tuesday, February 22, 2005, 1:48:05 AM, Mica wrote: That's why God (or at least the fellows at Apple) invented the iPod. :-) MM What's that, actually? Essentially, a hard-disk based portable audio player. It's something of a phenomenon lately... http://www.apple.com/ipod/ -- Cheers, Allister :flag-newzealand: New Zealand / Aotearoa Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
