Re: Can someone explain HELO to me?
On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 01:45:32 +0100, Roelof Otten wrote: Hmmm. I'd regard that as problematic just as well. My IP address is dynamic and has nothing to do with the mail relayer that is set for my domain. A reverse lookup in the HELO state would fail. But still it's what it's supposed to do. The EHLO should give a domain name that identifies the client system. On your LAN to your local mail server that can be your computer name, as it's likely that that will point to the right computer (it does on my LAN), but when you're talking to something else you should give a domain name or a literal address. My knowledge on this subject is 'nil', hence my original post. However, my newsreader (Dialog) has an 'Advanced SMTP Settings' dialog which allows the user to specifically set the SMTP HELO identification. If it is left blank then the local computer name is used. To me that seems a good solution? In my case shouldn't HELO be kentra.co.uk? -- Best regards Barry barryh'at'kentra'dot'co'dot'uk Using TheBat! version 3.85.03 and AntispamSniper 1.6.7.3 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Updating TB!
I am using TB! Pro v. 3.51.10 on WinXP with no service packs and when I double click on the file thebat_pro_3-85-03.msi the computer enters a loop that requires me to reboot. Is another type of file for updating TB! available and if so, where? Previously (I've used TB° since v. 1.35), some updates were able to be realized by replacing the principle .exe file only. TIA, -- Douglas Hinds P.S. Windows updates don't work for me either for some reason and frankly, I not very keen in giving M$ greater access to my system anyway. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Updating TB!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA224 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 6 Dec 2006, @ @ at 06:30:25 -0600, when Douglas Hinds wrote: I am using TB! Pro v. 3.51.10 on WinXP with no service packs and when I double click on the file thebat_pro_3-85-03.msi the computer enters a loop that requires me to reboot. Is another type of file for updating TB! available and if so, where? Previously (I've used TB° since v. 1.35), some updates were able to be realized by replacing the principle .exe file only. If you use Total Commander, you can open .msi files using Commander's plugin (msi.wcx). Then you'll see thebat.exe inside, so you can just drag and drop it where you wish. - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6-svn-4298 o tiger192 (Cygwin/MinGW32) iQCZAwUBRXbBfAYWnlFQ1cE7AQsgfwQfetioJarBQn6RB2XjKl9szgR/UXIaFU6S E4UqJ/3G1m+lx+H2qhdIyI5jH1xB4733J9Swl4bcUGnZqCP1FDa27e5ftLMXawui 5q8hOO3Yt4H4Gdtq5MiAsQLf3XI30jUmS2e1MRyAfo1TWc1M/N71OzD85fP1pG5t rJerjzLdDPtSd8rX =tHNa -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can someone explain HELO to me?
Barry @ 2006-12-06 3:02:51 AM Can someone explain HELO to me? mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] My knowledge on this subject is 'nil', hence my original post. However, my newsreader (Dialog) has an 'Advanced SMTP Settings' dialog which allows the user to specifically set the SMTP HELO identification. If it is left blank then the local computer name is used. To me that seems a good solution? I'd say no. In my case shouldn't HELO be kentra.co.uk? Probably not. From section 3.5 of the standard: At the time the transmission channel is opened there is an exchange to ensure that the hosts are communicating with the hosts they think they are. The following two commands are used in transmission channel opening and closing: HELO SP domain CRLF QUIT CRLF In the HELO command the host sending the command identifies itself; the command may be interpreted as saying Hello, I am domain. Unless your local computer is the mail host for kentra.co.uk, you don't want to identify yourself as kentra.co.uk. Something like your computer's name or the-randomly-assigned-name-given-you-by.your-isp.com would work better. Have you been having problems? If not, I wouldn't worry about it. -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Spotted on a toilet in a London office block: TOILET OUT OF ORDER. PLEASE USE FLOOR BELOW. pgpNgiuguqzIa.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Updating TB!
Hi Mica, Thanks for the tip. Wednesday, December 6, 2006, I wrote: I am using TB! Pro v. 3.51.10 on WinXP with no service packs and when I double click on the file thebat_pro_3-85-03.msi the computer enters a loop that requires me to reboot. Is another type of file for updating TB! available and if so, where? Previously (I've used TB° since v. 1.35), some updates were able to be realized by replacing the principle .exe file only. If you use Total Commander, you can open .msi files using Commander's plugin (msi.wcx). I use winrar, which identified the file as an SPX CAB file. So I attempted to extract it to a new directory but WinRar said the file was corrupt. Reget wouldn't overwrite the corrupt file so I'm downloading again using a different name. The speed is over 60,000 so it shouldn't take long. It didn't, but winrar says the file is corrupt, again. I also downloaded Total Commander but when I tried to open the file with it most of the open applications locked into a cycle and I had to do a hard reboot. I am downloading the file yet again using Opera 9 but I am having no problems with v3.51.10 and have to do a lot of things today. And Winrar still says the file is corrupt. Then you'll see thebat.exe inside, so you can just drag and drop it where you wish. You are saying that I do not have to install TB! over the present version, right? I just replace the 3.51.10 thebat.exe with the new one right? If that's the case, why don't you just send the thebat.exe file for the newest stable version to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. As for the tbot posts I owe you, due to their length and other commitments I am going to have wait a bit before answering. -- Douglas Hinds Trolling for phish in order to get them to bite is not being a troll. :-) Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can someone explain HELO to me?
On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 08:36:25 -0600, Chris W. wrote: Unless your local computer is the mail host for kentra.co.uk, you don't want to identify yourself as kentra.co.uk. Something like your computer's name or the-randomly-assigned-name-given-you-by.your-isp.com would work better. Have you been having problems? If not, I wouldn't worry about it. Thanks Chris, now I understand...I never was worried, just intrigued. -- Best regards Barry barryh'at'kentra'dot'co'dot'uk Using TheBat! version 3.85.03 and AntispamSniper 1.6.7.3 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Updating TB!
Hello Douglas Hinds everyone else, on 06-Dez-2006 at 13:30 you (Douglas Hinds) wrote: I am using TB! Pro v. 3.51.10 on WinXP with no service packs and when I double click on the file thebat_pro_3-85-03.msi the computer enters a loop that requires me to reboot. Something may be corrupt with the MSI installation procedure. Early MSI releases of TB had some problems if I remember correct. You could try to make a full backup from within TB, uninstall the program completely, and then reinstall from the new MSI (and then restore the backup) to cure the problem once and for all. Manually extracting the files from the MSI archive will most likely not fix it. You'll still have a corrupt entry in the MS installer database that needs fixing. Another thing worth trying first would be the MSI cleanup utility from Microsoft. It can check the database of MSI installations and remove entries without actually uninstalling the program. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290301 HTH -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Updating TB!
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA224 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 6 Dec 2006, @ @ at 09:00:52 -0600, when Douglas Hinds wrote: If you use Total Commander, you can open .msi files using Commander's plugin (msi.wcx). I also downloaded Total Commander but when I tried to open the file with it most of the open applications locked into a cycle and I had to do a hard reboot. Have you downloaded the plugin msi.wcx as well and did you install it? It doesn't work out of box. I am downloading the file yet again using Opera 9 but I am having no problems with v3.51.10 and have to do a lot of things today. And Winrar still says the file is corrupt. Give up the Winrar, it can't deal with .msi files. Then you'll see thebat.exe inside, so you can just drag and drop it where you wish. You are saying that I do not have to install TB! over the present version, right? Right. I just replace the 3.51.10 thebat.exe with the new one right? Right. If that's the case, why don't you just send the thebat.exe file for the newest stable version to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Because I would have to download it first (I use version 2.12.00), using modem connection (that works on 3-15 Kb, depending on mood and room air humidity). Which actually is not problem to me to do today, if you are willing to wait. So if you are, just push the do it button. As for the tbot posts I owe you, due to their length and other commitments I am going to have wait a bit before answering. That's quite okay, so you take your time. I got it all to do in one wave only because I am not sure whether I will have time later (due to my other commitments) if I don't response now (it's lots of that and my messages are more as a legacy). Besides those are quite coherent messages (of yours, that is quite a rare occurrence on TBOT, by the way) and thus deserve a fine response. - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQCZAwUBRXbyGgYWnlFQ1cE7AQu8SwQfbotBB6ZwhoAbk926ck/9Q5UsoH51XcjM ss5TXrl15KBwsLVM2DNlJQ7ZfKVnlAki/QserDwGdvQmZUJiEu+RX/tB2FU61O/y VEPFvkANNwCfQgIakbyfzRrR2Gjbj6s2VYbtyeYFVoqXagBcYFbU1q6J4V6AKg4R PXFP4R+jQ4WdzYdx =K8IS -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Updating TB!
Hello Alexander et. al., Wednesday, December 6, 2006, 10:28:16 AM, you wrote: I am using TB! Pro v. 3.51.10 on WinXP with no service packs and when I double click on the file thebat_pro_3-85-03.msi the computer enters a loop that requires me to reboot. Something may be corrupt with the MSI installation procedure. Early MSI releases of TB had some problems if I remember correct. You mean TB!3? You could try to make a full backup from within TB, uninstall the program completely, and then reinstall from the new MSI (and then restore the backup) to cure the problem once and for all. Unless the problem is with my windows installation. The principle question is, do I or don't I need to upgrade from v 3.51.10? Manually extracting the files from the MSI archive will most likely not fix it. You'll still have a corrupt entry in the MS installer database that needs fixing. Everything MS makes corrupts too easily. I can't run MSIE (or Netcaptor, for that matter) either; but who cares? I use Firefox and Opera w/ not problems. Another thing worth trying first would be the MSI cleanup utility from Microsoft. It can check the database of MSI installations and remove entries without actually uninstalling the program. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290301 I'll give it a try. But I was at the M$ website a while ago and in order to download a service pack I have to use their own pet browser. Is anyone using TB! with Linux? -- Douglas Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Updating TB!
Hello Douglas! On Wednesday, December 06, 2006, 11:06 AM, you wrote: I am using TB! Pro v. 3.51.10 on WinXP with no service packs and when I double click on the file thebat_pro_3-85-03.msi the computer enters a loop that requires me to reboot. Something may be corrupt with the MSI installation procedure. Early MSI releases of TB had some problems if I remember correct. I remember them. Actually had encounters with them, while beta testing. You mean TB!3? Yes. I only started beta testing post-v. 3.xx. You could try to make a full backup from within TB, uninstall the program completely, and then reinstall from the new MSI (and then restore the backup) to cure the problem once and for all. Unless the problem is with my windows installation. The principle question is, do I or don't I need to upgrade from v 3.51.10? You do not need to upgrade. The additional features past v. 3.51.10 are chiefly the new (and rather daunting) customizer, for customizing toolbars and keyboard shortcuts. Plus a much easier sorting office/filters interface. That's it, in the main. I wish that I were running v. 3.51.10 myself right now, as a matter of fact. But MSI won't allow me to drop back. I'd have to do a full uninstall plus reinstall to do that. And it's too much hassle. What I'm missing, since I began running the beta series v. 3.86.03 and following, is the icon panel in the View window. Attachments are available only in the status bar at the bottom of the screen, now. IIRC, happened to me with v. 3.86.08. Dropping back to v. 3.86.02 did not fix it, however. And when I tried a v. 3.85 MSI install, Windows told me it could not do that. My current work-around is to store the attachments separately. That way I can move images out to a non-TB! folder and view them at a decent size rather than as the unsatisfactory small images TB! now embeds in the message body when I click on the status bar tab. Grr. Manually extracting the files from the MSI archive will most likely not fix it. You'll still have a corrupt entry in the MS installer database that needs fixing. Everything MS makes corrupts too easily. I can't run MSIE (or Netcaptor, for that matter) either; but who cares? I use Firefox and Opera w/ not problems. I like Opera and Firefox. Opera is my default browser. Another thing worth trying first would be the MSI cleanup utility from Microsoft. It can check the database of MSI installations and remove entries without actually uninstalling the program. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290301 I'll give it a try. But I was at the M$ website a while ago and in order to download a service pack I have to use their own pet browser. Is anyone using TB! with Linux? Let me know if it's any good, please. I might be interested in it. In re Linux: Tony Boom ran TB! on Linux for awhile before he got his Mac. You might inquire about that on TBOT, since AFAIK Tony's not subscribed to the TB! lists any more. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.86.02 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Updating TB! -- TB with Linux
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA224 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Wed, 6 Dec 2006, @ @ at 11:06:04 -0600, when Douglas Hinds wrote: Is anyone using TB! with Linux? It is significantly slower in Linux, still, and not quite proportional in some aspects. Here and there it lacks icon or dozen. For off-line use is not bad (better than any other Linux mailer), reviewing mail, composing...waiting for dialog boxes to appear. So basically who can stand this, may use it on-line too. - -- Mica ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~ GPG keys/docs/software at: http://blueness.port5.com/pgpkeys/ http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/ [Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] OSs: Windows 98 SE Micro Lite Professional IVa Enterprise Millennium Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo Vector ~ Wine -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iQCZAwUBRXcF8gYWnlFQ1cE7AQvB0wQcCrkcvzwWTpgRoZH+2knd3YDOsVWplbze RRA1HbTO5jOcpzqjfvETj2PyglTx/zGEqjSYXsalJ0oAPeYdZ7Q7GsIcW8Y18lAm IIpTnlW+Q9H+TonK+5XbBhYIYcEuJZP+gW02GGIZDa+OEP7AtYs6e3dKT+tM3YS8 E8FKjMfWuGqhZJZf =GRbs -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Updating TB!
Hello Douglas Hinds everyone else, on 06-Dez-2006 at 18:06 you (Douglas Hinds) wrote: Something may be corrupt with the MSI installation procedure. Early MSI releases of TB had some problems if I remember correct. You mean TB!3? Yes. I think v2 was not distributed in MSI packages. You could try to make a full backup from within TB, uninstall the program completely, and then reinstall from the new MSI (and then restore the backup) to cure the problem once and for all. Unless the problem is with my windows installation. The principle question is, do I or don't I need to upgrade from v 3.51.10? Since I'm always an early adopter of the latest version, I can't really tell you which features are improved in 3.85, the Ritlabs web page has a version history. Everything MS makes corrupts too easily. I can't run MSIE (or Netcaptor, for that matter) either; but who cares? I use Firefox and Opera w/ not problems. Well, I recently updated to FF2.0 - and realised then that I should have removed the old 1.5 installation before. I did that afterwards, and now half of the FF2.0 installation is a mess (I think I have to install 2.0 over the existing installation again to fix it). :-) I'll give it a try. But I was at the M$ website a while ago and in order to download a service pack I have to use their own pet browser. You need to do that Windows Genuine whatever check for some of the downloads. The check is done either with an ActiveX control in IE, or with a stand-alone program when you're using other browsers. Always worked for me. But IIRC the msicuu is available without the check. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) That which is incapable of proof itself is no proof of anything else. -- Percy Bysshe Shelley Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Updating TB!
Hello Alexander! On Wednesday, December 06, 2006, 10:28 AM, you wrote: the MSI cleanup utility from Microsoft. It can check the database of MSI installations and remove entries without actually uninstalling the program. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290301 What's your opinion of this warning at that website page: begin cp = View products that this article applies to.Article ID : 290301 Last Review : November 13, 2006 Revision: 5.1 This article was previously published under Q290301 Warning The Windows Installer CleanUp Utility is provided as is to help resolve installation problems for programs that use Microsoft Windows Installer. If you use this utility, you may have to reinstall other programs. Caution is advised. === end cp -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.86.02 on Windows XP Media Center Edition Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Updating TB!
Hello Mary Bull everyone else, on 06-Dez-2006 at 20:10 you (Mary Bull) wrote: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290301 What's your opinion of this warning at that website page: Well, its there for a reason. :-) MSI keeps a database of installed programs (well, those programs that were installed with an MSI package). When you manually remove an entry from the database, the program is not uninstalled, but the status of its installation is unknown to the system afterwards, ie. the entry from the control panel / add or remove programs will be gone. One possible usage of the utility is to remove an entry from the database that makes an update installation (or whatever) hang otherwise and then re-install the program over the still existing on-disk installation so that you end up with an updated installation and a clean MSI configuration database. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de) NP: Anamatha (Intro Version) by DJ Zen (from the 2003 compilation Peace Therapy) Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Updating TB!
Hello Mica, Wednesday, December 6, 2006, 10:38:52 AM, you wrote: And Winrar still says the file is corrupt. Give up the Winrar, it can't deal with .msi files. Maybe the latest version does. Then you'll see thebat.exe inside, so you can just drag and drop it where you wish. You are saying that I do not have to install TB! over the present version, right? Right. I just replace the 3.51.10 thebat.exe with the new one right? Right. If that's the case, why don't you just send the thebat.exe file for the newest stable version to [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Because I would have to download it first (I use version 2.12.00), using modem connection (that works on 3-15 Kb, depending on mood and room air humidity). Which actually is not a problem to me to do today, if you are willing to wait. So if you are, just push the do it button. I appreciate your good will, but it looks like the thing to do is stay with v. 3.51.10, for now. As for the tbot posts I owe you, due to their length and other commitments I am going to have wait a bit before answering. Besides those are quite coherent messages (of yours, that is quite a rare occurrence on TBOT, by the way) and thus deserve a fine response. Thanks, Mica. -- Douglas Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Updating TB!
Hello Mary, Mica, Alex and anyone else following this thread. You could try to make a full backup from within TB, uninstall the program completely, and then reinstall from the new MSI (and then restore the backup) to cure the problem once and for all. Unless the problem is with my windows installation. The principle question is, do I or don't I need to upgrade from v 3.51.10? You do not need to upgrade. That settles it. Thanks, Mary. The additional features past v. 3.51.10 are chiefly the new (and rather daunting) customizer, for customizing toolbars and keyboard shortcuts. Plus a much easier sorting office/filters interface. That's it, in the main. I wish that I were running v. 3.51.10 myself right now, as a matter of fact. But MSI won't allow me to drop back. I'd have to do a full uninstall plus reinstall to do that. And it's too much hassle. Right. There's too many other things that need to be done. What I'm missing, since I began running the beta series v. 3.86.03 and following, is the icon panel in the View window. Attachments are available only in the status bar at the bottom of the screen, now. IIRC, happened to me with v. 3.86.08. Dropping back to v. 3.86.02 did not fix it, however. Betas can do that, but somebody needs to test them. And when I tried a v. 3.85 MSI install, Windows told me it could not do that. B Gates could be the devil. My current work-around is to store the attachments separately. I always do that. That way I can move images out to a non-TB! folder and view them at a decent size rather than as the unsatisfactory small images TB! now embeds in the message body when I click on the status bar tab. Grr. Account Properties / Files and Directories / Attachments / Keep Attached Files / Separately in a Special Directory Manually extracting the files from the MSI archive will most likely not fix it. You'll still have a corrupt entry in the MS installer database that needs fixing. Mr. Mica said that all I had to do is substitute the old thebat.exe file with the new one. I recall that this used to work for most previous TB! uogrades, and there was also an ftp access with zip files on the ritlab site. Everything MS makes corrupts too easily. I can't run MSIE (or Netcaptor, for that matter) either; but who cares? I use Firefox and Opera w/ not problems. I like Opera and Firefox. Opera is my default browser. They are both have tabs and are very good (and so is NetCaptor, which is an M$IE shell), but Firefox is open source with lots of third party extensions. I'm using Opera9 at the moment (I use Opera 3.x too once in a while), and I'll keep using it as long as it performs w/o problems. (I tend to keep a lot of tabs open). Another thing worth trying first would be the MSI cleanup utility from Microsoft. It can check the database of MSI installations and remove entries without actually uninstalling the program. http://support.microsoft.com/kb/290301 I'll give it a try. But I was at the M$ website a while ago and in order to download a service pack I have to use their own pet browser. Is anyone using TB! with Linux? Let me know if it's any good, please. I might be interested in it. In re Linux: Tony Boom ran TB! on Linux for awhile before he got his Mac. You might inquire about that on TBOT, since AFAIK Tony's not subscribed to the TB! lists any more. Mr. Mica said TB! runs pretty slow on Linux. There were a lot of people on tbot using Xandros but they must have unsubscribed. Rather than all the bells and whistles, Ritlabs ought to make Mac and Linux versions available, and let users set TB! to load with certain select view folders open. I need at least 6, aside from the main view. -- Douglas Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Updating TB!
Hello Alexander, Wednesday, December 6, 2006, 12:54:16 PM, you wrote: Well, I recently updated to FF2.0 - and realised then that I should have removed the old 1.5 installation before. I did that afterwards, and now half of the FF2.0 installation is a mess (I think I have to install 2.0 over the existing installation again to fix it). :-) I'll give it a try. But I was at the M$ website a while ago and in order to download a service pack I have to use their own pet browser. You need to do that Windows Genuine whatever check for some of the downloads. The check is done either with an ActiveX control in IE, or with a stand-alone program when you're using other browsers. Always worked for me. But IIRC the msicuu is available without the check. I saw the same warning Mary B mentioned: Warning The Windows Installer CleanUp Utility is provided as is to help resolve installation problems for programs that use Microsoft Windows Installer. If you use this utility, you may have to reinstall other programs. Caution is advised. I don't want to have to reinstall programs that are running OK at present, so I'll let it go until a new upgrade comes out (a Vista certified version will be out soon). Thanks for the links and tips, Alex, IAC. -- Douglas Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Editors - external?
Hello, All; This is my first post here using TB itself, so please bear with me. I was a point on Fidonet for over ten years, using the mighty GoldED message editor (I'm one of the few - the proud - the REGISTERED). GoldED has a basic text editor built-in, rather like TB's. But it also allowed you to define your own text editor, run as a child process, feeding the editor with the properly-quoted and reflowed message. I dislike Windows-style editors. Having grown up with DOS, I prefer WordStar-style. Does TB have any way of defining an external text editor, so I can continue using my favourite one? I have on occasion copied a message via the clipboard and edited it outside TB, before returning the modified text the same way. I tended to get shark's teeth formatting, whether I used straight paste or paste formatted. What should I look out for here, please? -- TIA, Robert Bullmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.71.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mod: Reply for new thread (was: Editors - external?)
Hallo Robert, On Wed, 6 Dec 2006 23:12:39 +GMT (7-12-2006, 0:12 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RB This is my first post here using TB itself, so please bear with me. moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Robert. ' Please don't use reply to start a new thread. Your question has been posted at the bottom of an unrelated topic. The Bat! is a threading mail client. See View | View threads by | Reference to see where it ended up. The result is that it will only be seen by those reading that thread instead of by all users. I recommend that you post your question again using a New message if you want to see more replies to your query. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof All moderators are not User Friendly. pgpdKUwtPMY7H.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Updating TB!
Hello Douglas! On Wednesday, December 06, 2006, 3:28 PM, you wrote: ... substitute the old thebat.exe file with the new one. I recall that this used to work for most previous TB! uogrades, and there was also an ftp access with zip files on the ritlab site. ... I could send you PM the beta site URL. However, you have to be a registered beta tester to use that; requires ID and PWD. To sign up for beta testing, see the Silverstones page, the link to which is at the bottom of every TBUDL post. But renaming the .exe temporarily and dragging the new rar .exe in, does work, within a given MSI install. I don't know whether there would be incompatibilities between, say, an earlier 3.xx MSI install, and the .exe from v. 3.85.03. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.86.02 on Windows XP Media Center Edition Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editors - external?
On Wed 6-Dec-06 5:12pm -0600, Robert Bull wrote: This is my first post here using TB itself, so please bear with me. I was a point on Fidonet for over ten years, using the mighty GoldED message editor (I'm one of the few - the proud - the REGISTERED). GoldED has a basic text editor built-in, rather like TB's. But it also allowed you to define your own text editor, run as a child process, feeding the editor with the properly-quoted and reflowed message. I dislike Windows-style editors. Having grown up with DOS, I prefer WordStar-style. Does TB have any way of defining an external text editor, so I can continue using my favourite one? I have on occasion copied a message via the clipboard and edited it outside TB, before returning the modified text the same way. I tended to get shark's teeth formatting, whether I used straight paste or paste formatted. What should I look out for here, please? When I want to view a long email or program snippet from my editor, I use a Hot Key to Run External Program. I have it run my editor on the file %1 and call a macro to strip the headers and everything at or below the cut mark. (If I need any of that, I can get it back with an undo.) I use PowerPro to copy the text of a reply to the clipboard and start my edit with a command to paste the clipboard. I also have a simple macro in the editor to finish up by copying the contents of its buffer to the clipboard and close down discarding the file being edited. All I have to do is bring focus back to the TB! replay (which is still highlighted) and press Ctrl-v and sent it. -- Best regards, Bill TB! Pro :beta: 3.86.8 ALPHA (beta) BayesIt! 0.8.4 X-Ray 1.4.0.0 XP Pro SP2 POP3 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editors - external?
Hello Robert! On Wednesday, December 06, 2006, 5:12 PM, you wrote: ... I dislike Windows-style editors. ... You might like to have a look at TB!'s made-for-The Bat! MicroEd editor. It has a lot of the features which you said you like in your customiazed external editor, and once you had the MicroEd configured, it might be less trouble than using an external editor. I love the MicroEd editor myself, and I don't like the Windows editor provided with The Bat! Have a look at Options/Preferences from the main TB! window. Scroll down the Preferences choices to Viewer/Editor and see MicroEd under that. Combined with Address Book templates, and TB!'s Quick Template function, it takes much of the work out of composing e-mail messages. On another note: Welcome to TBUDL. I've been subscribed here since October, 2002, and it is a very helpful and friendly group. -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 3.86.02 on Windows XP Media Center Edition Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
