Re: Ad source mystery

[MFPA]

Hi


On Monday 20 November 2017 at 4:42:32 AM, in
, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:-


> A previous
> reply from Lore Galore brought to the fore a little
> known (to me) function
> within TB! that may possibly be used to prevent page
> elements from ever
> appearing. 

It will only stop them appearing when you view the message in TB!, not 
in your browser.

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Re: Ad source mystery

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Lore,

On Sunday, November 19, 2017 you wrote:

LG> On 11/19/2017 3:27 PM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:
>> Hello Sam,
>>
>> On Sunday, November 19, 2017 you wrote:
>>
>> SB> Sunday, November 19, 2017, 12:47:27 PM, Jack wrote:
>>
>> JSL>> So, the question is: where do these ads come from since they appear 
>> only if I
>> JSL>> click on the Chrome icon contained in the message? My assumption is 
>> that they're
>> JSL>> somehow inserted by TB!, but how? Has my copy of TB! been hacked? If 
>> so, why are
>> JSL>> all the ads sponsored by POWERINBOX? Coincidence? Has anyone else 
>> experienced
>> JSL>> this?
>>
>> SB> Do you see these ads on every email that comes from Charter or only 
>> certain
>> SB> emails (like those from these newsletters)?
>>
>> SB> Just trying to get a little more information, but what I suspect is this
>> SB> has nothing to do with TB!. When you are clicking that Chrome icon you 
>> are
>> SB> opening the html that was sent from your ISP in Chrome. So if you're 
>> seeing
>> SB> it there, it's because that's what was sent to you. I believe Charter is
>> SB> using this POWERINBOX service to serve you ads. What they show in the
>> SB> Charter webmail client can be different from what they send to you when 
>> you POP the email.
>>
>> I'm beginning to get a glimmer of how all this works and if I'm 
>> understanding it
>> correctly couldn't the original HTML text file have come from Kim Komando?
>> Couldn't she be including the ad text in the HTML she sends out rather than 
>> it
>> coming from Charter? The ads seem to appear only in anything from Kim 
>> Komando. I
>> subscribed to several of her newsletters and the ads appear in all of the
>> newsletters.
>>
>> I wrote a less than laudatory snail mail letter to Kim Komando expressing my
>> disgust at being assumed to have only an elementary school education with a 
>> room
>> temperature IQ. I asked if there was a way to prevent these ads from 
>> appearing
>> on my screen but never received a reply, email or otherwise. This does not 
>> speak
>> well for the Komando machine.
>>
>> While I have your attention, do you have any idea who Anton Belenki is and 
>> why
>> he might be sending me the URL to his website in response to my original 
>> query?
>>
LG> Are you all aware of the image download manager?  It is under Tools, and
LG> is used to block unwanted garbage images that come in email.  It is
LG> harder to use than Thunderbird's, and I had a real problem with "Live
LG> Intent" marketing used in newsletters such as from MarketWatch.  It
LG> would be a great thing if one could import rules from Thunderbird into
LG> The Bat!  POWERINBOX looks pretty bad; I can't stand being marketed and
LG> tracked via emails, but I get a number of newsletters to keep informed
LG> on things.  Here's what The Bat!'s manager looks like - and I wonder
LG> whether you will see that the source of POWERINBOX is allowed in yours.
LG> https://i.imgur.com/oJ8IljV.jpg

Thank you Lore. I did not know of such a tool within TB!. I took a brief look at
it in my Bat long enough to learn that apparently there's no CTRL-F (text
search) that can be used from within TB!. However, it just occurred to me that I
might be able to copy the text and paste it into a new text document and search
it that way.

Again, thanks for the information.

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Re: Ad source mystery

[Lore Galore]

On 11/19/2017 8:42 PM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:
> Hello Sam,
>
> On Sunday, November 19, 2017 you wrote:
>
> SB> Sunday, November 19, 2017, 6:27:16 PM, Jack wrote:
>
> JSL>> I'm beginning to get a glimmer of how all this works and if I'm 
> understanding it
> JSL>> correctly couldn't the original HTML text file have come from Kim 
> Komando?
> JSL>> Couldn't she be including the ad text in the HTML she sends out rather 
> than it
> JSL>> coming from Charter? The ads seem to appear only in anything from Kim 
> Komando. I
> JSL>> subscribed to several of her newsletters and the ads appear in all of 
> the
> JSL>> newsletters.
>
> JSL>> I wrote a less than laudatory snail mail letter to Kim Komando 
> expressing my
> JSL>> disgust at being assumed to have only an elementary school education 
> with a room
> JSL>> temperature IQ. I asked if there was a way to prevent these ads from 
> appearing
> JSL>> on my screen but never received a reply, email or otherwise. This does 
> not speak
> JSL>> well for the Komando machine.
>
> JSL>> While I have your attention, do you have any idea who Anton Belenki is 
> and why
> JSL>> he might be sending me the URL to his website in response to my 
> original query?
>
> SB> That was why I asked the question. I figured if it were just these 
> specific
> SB> newsletters, you would have pointed that out, but I wanted to check in 
> case
> SB> you were able to see a pattern. I am much more comfortable thinking it's
> SB> these particular newsletters over Charter inserting ads, though that is
> SB> something email hosts can do. I would expect them to show ads in the 
> webmail
> SB> client, not the emails themselves.
>
> SB> Hopefully you can unsubscribe, or maybe just send all those Kim Komando
> SB> newsletters to junk.
>
> Yes, I can unsubscribe but I'm still very curious as to their source. A 
> previous
> reply from Lore Galore brought to the fore a little known (to me) function
> within TB! that may possibly be used to prevent page elements from ever
> appearing. It looks interesting and I plan to explore it at some length or 
> until
> I just give up in frustration because I don't know enough about HTML coding.
>
> I apologize for not mentioning that all the ads seemed to be contained in only
> the Kim Komando newsletters. I simply overlooked it.
>

FYI - I looked up https://powerinbox.com/ and see it is to put marketing
in emails.  Much like Live Intent, which MarketWatch uses.

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Re: Ad source mystery

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Sam,

On Sunday, November 19, 2017 you wrote:

SB> Sunday, November 19, 2017, 6:27:16 PM, Jack wrote:

JSL>> I'm beginning to get a glimmer of how all this works and if I'm 
understanding it
JSL>> correctly couldn't the original HTML text file have come from Kim Komando?
JSL>> Couldn't she be including the ad text in the HTML she sends out rather 
than it
JSL>> coming from Charter? The ads seem to appear only in anything from Kim 
Komando. I
JSL>> subscribed to several of her newsletters and the ads appear in all of the
JSL>> newsletters.

JSL>> I wrote a less than laudatory snail mail letter to Kim Komando expressing 
my
JSL>> disgust at being assumed to have only an elementary school education with 
a room
JSL>> temperature IQ. I asked if there was a way to prevent these ads from 
appearing
JSL>> on my screen but never received a reply, email or otherwise. This does 
not speak
JSL>> well for the Komando machine.

JSL>> While I have your attention, do you have any idea who Anton Belenki is 
and why
JSL>> he might be sending me the URL to his website in response to my original 
query?

SB> That was why I asked the question. I figured if it were just these specific
SB> newsletters, you would have pointed that out, but I wanted to check in case
SB> you were able to see a pattern. I am much more comfortable thinking it's
SB> these particular newsletters over Charter inserting ads, though that is
SB> something email hosts can do. I would expect them to show ads in the webmail
SB> client, not the emails themselves.

SB> Hopefully you can unsubscribe, or maybe just send all those Kim Komando
SB> newsletters to junk.

Yes, I can unsubscribe but I'm still very curious as to their source. A previous
reply from Lore Galore brought to the fore a little known (to me) function
within TB! that may possibly be used to prevent page elements from ever
appearing. It looks interesting and I plan to explore it at some length or until
I just give up in frustration because I don't know enough about HTML coding.

I apologize for not mentioning that all the ads seemed to be contained in only
the Kim Komando newsletters. I simply overlooked it.

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Jack LaRosa
Central Alabama USA

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Re: Ad source mystery

[Sam Brown]

Sunday, November 19, 2017, 6:27:16 PM, Jack wrote:

JSL> I'm beginning to get a glimmer of how all this works and if I'm 
understanding it
JSL> correctly couldn't the original HTML text file have come from Kim Komando?
JSL> Couldn't she be including the ad text in the HTML she sends out rather 
than it
JSL> coming from Charter? The ads seem to appear only in anything from Kim 
Komando. I
JSL> subscribed to several of her newsletters and the ads appear in all of the
JSL> newsletters.

JSL> I wrote a less than laudatory snail mail letter to Kim Komando expressing 
my
JSL> disgust at being assumed to have only an elementary school education with 
a room
JSL> temperature IQ. I asked if there was a way to prevent these ads from 
appearing
JSL> on my screen but never received a reply, email or otherwise. This does not 
speak
JSL> well for the Komando machine.

JSL> While I have your attention, do you have any idea who Anton Belenki is and 
why
JSL> he might be sending me the URL to his website in response to my original 
query?

That was why I asked the question. I figured if it were just these specific 
newsletters, you would have pointed that out, but I wanted to check in case you 
were able to see a pattern. I am much more comfortable thinking it's these 
particular newsletters over Charter inserting ads, though that is something 
email hosts can do. I would expect them to show ads in the webmail client, not 
the emails themselves.

Hopefully you can unsubscribe, or maybe just send all those Kim Komando 
newsletters to junk.

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Re: Ad source mystery

[Lore Galore]

On 11/19/2017 3:27 PM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:
> Hello Sam,
>
> On Sunday, November 19, 2017 you wrote:
>
> SB> Sunday, November 19, 2017, 12:47:27 PM, Jack wrote:
>
> JSL>> So, the question is: where do these ads come from since they appear 
> only if I
> JSL>> click on the Chrome icon contained in the message? My assumption is 
> that they're
> JSL>> somehow inserted by TB!, but how? Has my copy of TB! been hacked? If 
> so, why are
> JSL>> all the ads sponsored by POWERINBOX? Coincidence? Has anyone else 
> experienced
> JSL>> this?
>
> SB> Do you see these ads on every email that comes from Charter or only 
> certain
> SB> emails (like those from these newsletters)?
>
> SB> Just trying to get a little more information, but what I suspect is this
> SB> has nothing to do with TB!. When you are clicking that Chrome icon you are
> SB> opening the html that was sent from your ISP in Chrome. So if you're 
> seeing
> SB> it there, it's because that's what was sent to you. I believe Charter is
> SB> using this POWERINBOX service to serve you ads. What they show in the
> SB> Charter webmail client can be different from what they send to you when 
> you POP the email.
>
> I'm beginning to get a glimmer of how all this works and if I'm understanding 
> it
> correctly couldn't the original HTML text file have come from Kim Komando?
> Couldn't she be including the ad text in the HTML she sends out rather than it
> coming from Charter? The ads seem to appear only in anything from Kim 
> Komando. I
> subscribed to several of her newsletters and the ads appear in all of the
> newsletters.
>
> I wrote a less than laudatory snail mail letter to Kim Komando expressing my
> disgust at being assumed to have only an elementary school education with a 
> room
> temperature IQ. I asked if there was a way to prevent these ads from appearing
> on my screen but never received a reply, email or otherwise. This does not 
> speak
> well for the Komando machine.
>
> While I have your attention, do you have any idea who Anton Belenki is and why
> he might be sending me the URL to his website in response to my original 
> query?
>
Are you all aware of the image download manager?  It is under Tools, and
is used to block unwanted garbage images that come in email.  It is
harder to use than Thunderbird's, and I had a real problem with "Live
Intent" marketing used in newsletters such as from MarketWatch.  It
would be a great thing if one could import rules from Thunderbird into
The Bat!  POWERINBOX looks pretty bad; I can't stand being marketed and
tracked via emails, but I get a number of newsletters to keep informed
on things.  Here's what The Bat!'s manager looks like - and I wonder
whether you will see that the source of POWERINBOX is allowed in yours.
https://i.imgur.com/oJ8IljV.jpg

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Re: Ad source mystery

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MFPA,

On Sunday, November 19, 2017 you wrote:

M> Hi


M> On Sunday 19 November 2017 at 5:47:27 PM, in
M> , Jack S. LaRosa wrote:-


>> Again, note the URL and notice the ad is different.

M> The URL is to the temp file TB! created from the HTML part in the
M> message source when you clicked to view the HTML message in your
M> browser.

Right. I made the notations regarding the URLs just to show the origin of the
displayed screens.



>> So, the question is: where do these ads come from
>> since they appear only if I
>> click on the Chrome icon contained in the message? 

M> Presumably the code to call the ads is in the temp file I mentioned
M> above.

M> Try viewing the page source when you are looking at the message in
M> your browser. Or look at the temp file in a text editor. Or look at
M> the message source in TB!

Well, I don't know where to find either the temp file or the message source but
here's a link to the entire page source from the browser:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/g43p8la416yn2wm/Page%20source.txt?dl=0

I did a text search while it was onscreen and the string "powerinbox" shows up
numerous times but I don't know how this helps.

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Re: Ad source mystery

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Sam,

On Sunday, November 19, 2017 you wrote:

SB> Sunday, November 19, 2017, 12:47:27 PM, Jack wrote:

JSL>> So, the question is: where do these ads come from since they appear only 
if I
JSL>> click on the Chrome icon contained in the message? My assumption is that 
they're
JSL>> somehow inserted by TB!, but how? Has my copy of TB! been hacked? If so, 
why are
JSL>> all the ads sponsored by POWERINBOX? Coincidence? Has anyone else 
experienced
JSL>> this?

SB> Do you see these ads on every email that comes from Charter or only certain
SB> emails (like those from these newsletters)?

SB> Just trying to get a little more information, but what I suspect is this
SB> has nothing to do with TB!. When you are clicking that Chrome icon you are
SB> opening the html that was sent from your ISP in Chrome. So if you're seeing
SB> it there, it's because that's what was sent to you. I believe Charter is
SB> using this POWERINBOX service to serve you ads. What they show in the
SB> Charter webmail client can be different from what they send to you when you 
POP the email.

I'm beginning to get a glimmer of how all this works and if I'm understanding it
correctly couldn't the original HTML text file have come from Kim Komando?
Couldn't she be including the ad text in the HTML she sends out rather than it
coming from Charter? The ads seem to appear only in anything from Kim Komando. I
subscribed to several of her newsletters and the ads appear in all of the
newsletters.

I wrote a less than laudatory snail mail letter to Kim Komando expressing my
disgust at being assumed to have only an elementary school education with a room
temperature IQ. I asked if there was a way to prevent these ads from appearing
on my screen but never received a reply, email or otherwise. This does not speak
well for the Komando machine.

While I have your attention, do you have any idea who Anton Belenki is and why
he might be sending me the URL to his website in response to my original query?

-- 
Regards,
Jack LaRosa
Central Alabama USA

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OS: Win 10 v6 Build: 9200



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Re: Ad source mystery

[MFPA]

Hi


On Sunday 19 November 2017 at 5:47:27 PM, in
, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:-


> Again, note the URL and notice the ad is different.

The URL is to the temp file TB! created from the HTML part in the
message source when you clicked to view the HTML message in your
browser.



> So, the question is: where do these ads come from
> since they appear only if I
> click on the Chrome icon contained in the message? 

Presumably the code to call the ads is in the temp file I mentioned
above.

Try viewing the page source when you are looking at the message in
your browser. Or look at the temp file in a text editor. Or look at
the message source in TB!




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Re: Ad source mystery

[Sam Brown]

Sunday, November 19, 2017, 12:47:27 PM, Jack wrote:

JSL> So, the question is: where do these ads come from since they appear only 
if I
JSL> click on the Chrome icon contained in the message? My assumption is that 
they're
JSL> somehow inserted by TB!, but how? Has my copy of TB! been hacked? If so, 
why are
JSL> all the ads sponsored by POWERINBOX? Coincidence? Has anyone else 
experienced
JSL> this?

Do you see these ads on every email that comes from Charter or only certain 
emails (like those from these newsletters)?

Just trying to get a little more information, but what I suspect is this has 
nothing to do with TB!. When you are clicking that Chrome icon you are opening 
the html that was sent from your ISP in Chrome. So if you're seeing it there, 
it's because that's what was sent to you. I believe Charter is using this 
POWERINBOX service to serve you ads. What they show in the Charter webmail 
client can be different from what they send to you when you POP the email.

-Sam



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Re: Ad source mystery

[Anton Belenki]

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Ad source mystery

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello TBUDL'ers,

First let me thank Marck for clarification on ways to get screenshots to this
list.

Second, to the reason for this missive. The following Dropbox link shows how I
view TB! Upper left is my account tree, upper right is the message list for the
folder selected in the tree and the bottom half contains the contents of the
selected message.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/6y4mrkjfwcpfyr6/TB%21%20view%20screen.png?dl=0

Notice that the bottom half doesn't provide a whole lot of information about the
message because no pictures are displayed. I suspect there are better ways of
doing this but this has sufficed for me for many years. If I WANT to view the
contents of the message in all its glory, I double-click on the Chrome icon at
the far left. More on that later.

The following link shows what I see when I log onto my ISP directly, go to my
email and click on that particular message.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/y1xfboq6ve6cty7/ISP%20email%20view.png?dl=0

Note the URL in the address bar. The ad at the top by POWERINBOX is the only one
I'll see anywhere on the entire web page. The ad is usually different each time
I view the page.

If however I double-click on the aforementioned Chrome icon at the far left of
my TB! view screen, it causes Chrome to be launched and displays the web page as
you would expect, with the same top of screen displayed as it was when I viewed
the message from my ISP directly. See next link.

https://www.dropbox.com/s/qnxw5j75pmkywjz/Top%20of%20screen.png?dl=0

Again, note the URL and notice the ad is different. Now however, as I scroll
down the page, I get this about a quarter way down:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/cf0ookuq7updpuc/Scrolled%20a%20quarter%20down.png?dl=0

Scroll about halfway down and I see this:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/9zq5bls5oqqcuma/Scrolled%20halfway%20down.png?dl=0

Scroll almost to the bottom of the page and I see this:

https://www.dropbox.com/s/admn2h9vjr9kzq3/Scrolled%20almost%20to%20bottom.png?dl=0

I'm sure you'll agree, these ads would insult the intelligence of a fifth
grader.

So, the question is: where do these ads come from since they appear only if I
click on the Chrome icon contained in the message? My assumption is that they're
somehow inserted by TB!, but how? Has my copy of TB! been hacked? If so, why are
all the ads sponsored by POWERINBOX? Coincidence? Has anyone else experienced
this?

Thanks for your patience in looking at this message. I know if there are any
answers, this list will have them.

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Re: Out of memory error

[Adrian Godfrey]

Wednesday, August 23, 2017, 6:06:11 PM, you wrote:

> So, The file size (.MP4) is 594,243,584 bytes

Far  too  large  for email. Even if it works, it will take for ever to
send  and probabky bounce anyway because it exceeds the mmessagae size
limit of the recipient's mailbox.

Put it on an FTP server

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Re: Propagate view mode

[MFPA]

Hi


On Sunday 19 November 2017 at 4:28:41 AM, in
, Rich Gregory wrote:-


> I have the main folder (the INBOX) in my main account
> set to a view mode I like.

If you haven't already, I would suggest saving that view mode with a 
name. When viewing that folder, right-click in the column title bar 
and click "Save Viewmode to ...".



> I want ALL my folders in all accounts to have this
> same look.
> How do I propagate it across the entire folder tree?

I have not tried this. The available menu options suggest two things:- 

  1.  In the main TB! window, click View | Global View Mode | Name of 
  your View Mode.
  
  2. Options | Preferences | View Modes | Name of your View Mode | Use 
  by ...| select the folders | OK.
  



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Re: Sending screenshote

[Marck Pearlstone]

Dear Jack,

@18-Nov-2017, 9:14  -0600  (19-Nov 05:19 here) Jack S. LaRosa [JSL]
in mid:1683949350.20171118231...@charter.net said to MFPA:  

LG I'm not sure we can add attachments, but maybe it would be okay
... 

It would.

>>> I've uploaded pics to Dropbox and sent people links to the pics
>>> before. Not sure if even that is acceptable.

It is.

M>> I have never noticed anybody getting "trouted" when they posted links
M>> to screenshots. So it has been accepted, which I guess means it is 
M>> acceptable.

JSL> Thanks M. I'll see what happens.

Here's the lore:

Attachments (inc screen-shots) are perfectly acceptable (although HTML
messages  are  frowned upon because they invariably double the size of
any simple message and our transmission facilities are provided FOC by
a generous host, on whose generosity I /know/ none of us would wish to
over-impose).

...HOWEVER...

There  are  limits  to the size of permitted attachments. 25k on TBUDL
and  75k  on TBBETA. If your screen-shot is small enough, attach it by
all  means.  You  can  even chance it. The worst that can happen is an
automated rejection from the Mailman server.


I hope that clarifies things.

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