Re: Filtering on Date, Focus in Mailbox

2003-08-14 Thread Domagoj Klepac
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On Wednesday, August 6, 2003, 11:29:02 PM, Deborah wrote:
JC 2. When I select a Mail Folder to see the messages in, what
JC determines which message get the focus? It would be nice if the
JC first unread message would get the focus.

 Usually it will be whichever message in the folder had the focus the
 last time you had that folder open. In some cases, such as after a
 Purge, the focus seems to go back to the first message on the list.

Yes - usually. And that's great. However, I noticed that when I delete
all messages from the folder, and then folder get filled again, focus
goes to random message; not always first on the list. It's a bit
irritating, I select folder, and then have to mark message unread, move
to the first message, and then start reading messages normally.

I haven't been able to figure out the rule which is applied when first
entering a folder after all messages have been deleted. Deleting lots
of messages at once seems to make things worse.

Domchi

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Re: Problems configuring Opera 7.11 to use The Bat as its emailclient.

2003-08-09 Thread Domagoj Klepac
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On Friday, August 8, 2003, 5:33:13 PM, Tim wrote:
 I've just discovered The Bat and am impressed!   I am currently
 using Opera 7.11  for browsing and email.  I've tried to configure
 Opera to use The Bat as it's email client with no success...

Tim, try this:

Go to Preferences/E-mail in Opera.
Check Use specific e-mail client

Enter this line in the box:
C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe mailto: %

Domchi

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Secure POP3?

2003-08-01 Thread Domagoj Klepac
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Does anyone use TB! for retrieving messages from server with POP3 and
secure connection (STARTLS)?

Both secure to regular and dedicated port end up with this:

===8===[ Begin paste ]=
 31/07/2003, 13:44:18: FETCH - receiving mail messages
!31/07/2003, 13:44:19: FETCH - Server reports error. The response
is: -ERR authorization first
===8[ End paste ]==

On the same server, with same settings, secure connection works for
IMAP. I've tried messing with authorization options, but it didn't
help. Why is that log so brief, it doesn't even report connecting to
server or anything (with IMAP it's full of information)?

The Bat! 1.62r, Win2000.

Domchi

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Re: Don't sort.

2003-07-25 Thread Domagoj Klepac
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On Friday, July 25, 2003, 9:06:55 AM, Roelof wrote:
SH How do I /not/ sort?

 Sort on an item that's the same for all messages. If you don't park
 any messages and subsequently sort on 'parked' then you've got the
 messages in the database order. Or try the 'flagged' collumn.

 If you'd like to have the option to show messages in database order,
 you have to give up one of these possibilities.

YES! It works! THANK YOU!

TB! actually can display in database order!

Domchi

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Re: Received time should be rectified

2003-07-23 Thread Domagoj Klepac
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On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, 12:42:58 PM, Allie wrote:
DK Order in which messages are downloaded from server and stored in
DK TB!s message database. That would be don't sort setting or
DK sort by place in database. Simplest of all. It shouldn't be
DK _that hard_ to implement, would it? :)

 This has always been what TB! does for me with received time.

 When downloading mail from the server, TB! will always download the
 mail the server received first, followed by the mail it received
 last.

 I therefore find it a lot more accurate to sort mail based on
 received time.

You're right, I didn't think about that - and I tried sorting both by
received and created time and somehow I finally settled for created
time as being better, but I still got messages in wrong order.

But TB! still lacks sort by database order feature which I often
miss (sometimes I move messages around folders and really wish to see
them sorted that way).

Domchi

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Re: Received time should be rectified

2003-07-23 Thread Domagoj Klepac
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On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, 2:43:47 PM, Marck wrote:
 But TB! still lacks sort by database order feature which I often
 miss (sometimes I move messages around folders and really wish to
 see them sorted that way).

 I am at a loss to understand the difference between Received order
 and Database order. Except that Database order would logically
 ignore received order when moving messages into a different folder..

Yes, that's it. Sometimes I really would like to be able to move
message to another folder, and then switch to that folder and find
that message on the bottom of the list, instead of having to search
through thousands of messages to find it.

Like when I accidentaly hit delete button and move message to Trash -
digging it back from the Trash is frustrating experience.

 Oh, I think I get it. You're saying that TB should be able to move
 messages around within the message base? That's not going to be
 possible because of the sequential structure and scale of the tbb
 files. The programmers have traded that flexibility for speed and
 capacity. I'm happy for it to stay that way.

No, your first guess was right - I like the database design too. But I
would like to see the actual order of messages in database.

Domchi

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Re: Received time should be rectified

2003-07-23 Thread Domagoj Klepac
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On Wednesday, July 23, 2003, 2:21:25 PM, Allie wrote:
DK  I tried sorting both by received and created time and
DK somehow I finally settled for created time as being better, but I
DK still got messages in wrong order.

 I neglected to comment on this part.

 Sorting by received time will mess you up when a message takes a
 long time to reach your POP server. So, if you're taking part in a
 discussion, like on TBUDL, it's not unusual for a response to reach
 your POP server before the original message.

 Furthermore, using the POP server received time will not help with
 such a situation, since the POP server received time will reflect
 the delay in receipt of the mail.

Yes, I think that was the reason I switched back to created time for
sorting messages.

Domchi

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Re: Received time should be rectified

2003-07-22 Thread Domagoj Klepac
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On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, 11:31:25 PM, Ricardo wrote:
DK This pisses me off with TB too. In all mail clients before TB, I
DK sorted my mail by time of arrival - time of arrival on server. If I
DK sort in any other way, by time created or by time received, I always
DK seem to read replies to messages before messages themselves.

 I think that what you are asking for is simply impossible :)

 The Bat is a POP3 mail client (IMAP access is secondary, and
 incomplete). The POP3 servers don't give to the client any kind of
 indication of the time of arrival of the message. So there's simply
 no way that The Bat! (or any other pop3 client) can show you that
 time.

Order in which messages are downloaded from server and stored in TB!s
message database. That would be don't sort setting or sort by place
in database. Simplest of all. It shouldn't be _that hard_ to
implement, would it? :)


Additionaly, you _can_ see when message arrived on server. Here's
cutpaste from received headers and dates from your messages (as it
arrived to me):

===8==
Received: (qmail 3571 invoked by uid 109); 22 Jul 2003 23:10:11 -
Received: from gundel.de.clara.net (212.82.225.86)
  by server1.ouroboros.hr with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP; 22 Jul 2003
  23:10:11 -
Received: from stromgrade.its-toasted.org ([62.80.28.28]
helo=draenor.its-toasted.org)
by gundel.de.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 4.20)
id 19f6JE-0002K0-QL; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:12:40 +0200
Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com ([192.108.102.143])
by draenor.its-toasted.org with esmtp
(TLSv1:EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA:168)
(Exim 3.36 #1) id 19f6GL-0005Xg-00
for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:09:42 +0200
Received: from 200.70.113.235 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[200.70.113.235]
by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.35
$ on
Novell NetWare; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:07:53 -0600
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:31:25 -0300
===8==

Look at first and second received line - server1.ouroboros.hr is my
mail server. I'm not an expert, but isn't 23:10:11 time when my server
received your message? Simply looking at the date and time of first
received line in message should do it.

 You say that you have seen this functionality in all mail clients
 before TB. May I ask wich one?. I really don't think that can be
 right.

Eudora. By default, messages are not sorted (or, they're sorted as
placed in database) - and then eventually you can sort them by time.
I don't know which time (received?) but I don't remember any problems
with sorting messages in Eudora. In TB! I'm never quite sure.

And when I accidentaly delete message, it's a pain to find it again -
in Eudora, I simply switched to Trash and checked the message at the
bottom of the list.

Domchi

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Re: Received time should be rectified

2003-07-21 Thread Domagoj Klepac
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On Monday, July 21, 2003, 2:36:38 PM, Thomas wrote:
 And the Created time is just the time of the sender's computer
 when he/she sends out the email.

 Your POP server should receive the mail just a few minutes after the
 Created time. So you could all agree to use the Created time as
 your cut-off time.

Nope. Created time is time when user wrote the message - user doesn't
have to send that message until hours after created time, and
therefore your server won't receive the message for hours after
created time.

Domchi

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Re: Received time should be rectified

2003-07-21 Thread Domagoj Klepac
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On Monday, July 21, 2003, 9:16:40 AM, Joe wrote:
 Unfortunately, TB doesn't support this feature. TB won't show the
 time when the email arrives at the POP3 server. There are two types
 of time listed in TB, Received and Created. Personally, I don't
 think that Received time is necessary since it just indicates the
 time when you download the emails from your POP3 server, thus, it
 only depends on your frequency of fetching emails from server. And
 the Created time is just the time of the sender's computer when
 he/she sends out the email.

This pisses me off with TB too. In all mail clients before TB, I
sorted my mail by time of arrival - time of arrival on server. If I
sort in any other way, by time created or by time received, I always
seem to read replies to messages before messages themselves.

TB seems to be the only e-mail reader which can't display messages the
way they're received on the server... which is the same as downloaded
from the server... which is the same as written to TB message base.

P.S. No, I don't want to sort by threads. I also can't fetch mail
every minute since I'm on dial-up...

Domchi

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Re: Memo data missing

2003-06-26 Thread Domagoj Klepac
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On Thursday, June 26, 2003, 8:15:16 PM, Peter wrote:
 I'm using a batch file that Allie Martin wrote, saving the complete
 TB! directory to a RAR archive. It is much easier to use than the

Isn't the MAIL directory enough?

Domchi

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Re: Sorting messages

2003-06-22 Thread Domagoj Klepac
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On Friday, June 20, 2003, 4:27:55 PM, Leif wrote:
 moderator

 Please include a --  that's dashdashspace right below your
 name. This will allow TB to automatically cut off your PGP sig and
 everything else below the --  when someone replies to you. So it's
 clear, this is what it should look like in your template:

  Domchi
 --


 Don't forget the trailing space. If you don't put it in there, it
 won't work. If you need to see what I mean, when you reply to this
 message, the below (my name and TB info) will be missing from your
 reply.

 /moderator

Actually, it wouldn't work. When I sign message which has -- , PGP
changes this to - --, which TB doesn't recognize as sig delimiter.
AFAIK, there is no way to prevent PGP doing this (although I don't
know why it's neccessary).

That's why I have a bit modified clean quote template from TB library,
which strips PGP signature, as well as anything after - --. I don't
see the point in using - --, which TB doesn't understand, when PGP
signature is standard and more known sig delimiter than - -- (and TB
doesn't recognize any of them).

Domchi
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Sorting messages

2003-06-20 Thread Domagoj Klepac
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I would like messages in certain folders (Trash, for example) sorted
in the way they are in the database - in order I delete them, from
oldest to newest. I can't find the way to do that.

I usually delete the message, and want to read it again immidiately
after since I remembered something - but I can't simply go to Trash
and view the message, I must search for it, since it gets lost in the
last 100 mails I received since then.

View previously read message doesn't work when message is moved
between folders.

Domchi

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Re: Sending signed messages

2003-06-16 Thread Domagoj Klepac
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On Monday, June 16, 2003, 10:33:50 AM, Stuart wrote:
AM This is more than signature destruction. I see no signatures at
AM all or any evidence of there ever being one. :/

 I'm  pretty sure that this is a bug. If I create a message in a common
 folder and the template changes the active account, then only some of
 the  settings  for that account at applied; the 'Sign on Complete' not
 being one of them.

Don't know if it is a bug or a feature :))), but I have the same setup
and I just checked. If your default mailto account has Sign on
complete enabled, messages which are sent from common folders will
have signature, wheather you change the account via template or not.
Also, if your default mailto account has Sign on complete disabled,
messages won't get automatically signed from common folders.

I have account properties/general/this account is default for mailto
links enabled, and signing from common folders works. :)

So you can either enable signing for default mailto account, or use
%SIGNCOMPLETE in template which you use to change account.

Domchi

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Re: Attachments

2003-06-05 Thread Domagoj Klepac
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On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 12:07:25 PM, Allie wrote:
DK Hm. Just tried it, and no, it seems that attachment is stored
DK with original message. If I delete all the attachments from
DK attachment directory, messages still keep the attachments - both
DK the ones I received and the ones I sent.

 Are you using filters to extract the attachments, or are you using
 the account properties/option to 'store attachments in a separate
 directory'.

No. I only use sorting office to make two copies of each message I
receive.

DK Do you have delete attachments when message is deleted from
DK Trash turned off?

 Yes.

I give up. Turning on that option pretty much solves the problem I've
been having, but I don't know how.

Domchi

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Attachments

2003-06-04 Thread Domagoj Klepac
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I'm trying to understand how TB handles the attachments.

I have TB set to keep attachments in separate directory. However, even
if I delete the file from that directory, it seems that it keeps the
attachment in body of the message that was sent to me and which I
archived. Why?

Is it the same with the attachments/messages I sent and archived to
another folder?

When I delete the file in attachments directory, while the message is
in outbox, attachment is eventually deleted and not sent.

Also, if I don't have Delete messages when emptied from the Trash
turned on, if I attach the file, and write a message, it seems that TB
saves a new copy of that file every 20 seconds in my case - or, on
every auto-save of that message. That sometimes produces huge amount of
unnecessary files in attachment directory. Is that a feature or a bug?

What is Bind attachments only when sending out mail? How does that
affect the above?

Domchi

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Re: Attachments

2003-06-04 Thread Domagoj Klepac
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On Wednesday, June 4, 2003, 2:55:15 AM, Allie wrote:
DK I have TB set to keep attachments in separate directory. However,
DK even if I delete the file from that directory, it seems that it
DK keeps the attachment in body of the message that was sent to me
DK and which I archived. Why?

 I haven't kept attachments in a separate directory for a long time.
 However, from my experimentation, if you delete an attachment from
 it's corresponding 'Attach' directory, the attachment will seem to
 be still associated with the message until you select another
 message and then go back to the original. The attachment pane should
 no longer be there displaying an attachment.

Hm. Just tried it, and no, it seems that attachment is stored with
original message. If I delete all the attachments from attachment
directory, messages still keep the attachments - both the ones I
received and the ones I sent. Those I didn't send yet lose
attachments if I clear the attachment directory.

Only way to delete attachment in message is to select attachment in
TB, right-click, and choose delete.

DK Also, if I don't have Delete messages when emptied from the
DK Trash turned on, if I attach the file, and write a message, it
DK seems that TB saves a new copy of that file every 20 seconds in
DK my case - or, on every auto-save of that message. That sometimes
DK produces huge amount of unnecessary files in attachment
DK directory. Is that a feature or a bug?

 I'm not really following you here so I can't try to reproduce what
 you say is happening. Be that as it may, it sounds like buggy
 behaviour to me. I did the following:

 I configured my editor to auto-save every 20 seconds.

 I configured an account to place attachments in a separated
 directory and the bind attachments only while sending mail is not
 enabled.

 I then created a new message and attached a file to it. Only one
 copy of the attachment is saved though at times the file name will
 change to file1.xxx  and back to file.xxx between auto-saves. Still
 only one copy of the attachment remains when I save the message to
 the outbox.

 Upon sending the message to the trash, the attachment remains in the
 attachment directory. Upon deleting the message from the trash, the
 attachment is deleted from the attachment folder.

Do you have delete attachments when message is deleted from Trash
turned off? If it's on, I get your results too.

I've just tried again, and this time I didn't get new copy of
attachment on auto-save, but every time I put the message in outbox.
Interesting.

 I tried this with v1.62r

Me too.

DK What is Bind attachments only when sending out mail? How does
DK that affect the above?

 You can use this option if you wish the latest version of the file
 to be attached for delivery with the message. However, without this
 option, the file is immediately bound to the message and you can
 alter the original without the altered copy being sent.

Aha. Thanks for explanation.

Domchi

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