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On Tuesday, July 22, 2003, 11:31:25 PM, Ricardo wrote:
DK>> This pisses me off with TB too. In all mail clients before TB, I
DK>> sorted my mail by time of arrival - time of arrival on server. If I
DK>> sort in any other way, by time created or by time received, I always
DK>> seem to read replies to messages before messages themselves.

> I think that what you are asking for is simply impossible :)

> The Bat is a POP3 mail client (IMAP access is secondary, and
> incomplete). The POP3 servers don't give to the client any kind of
> indication of the time of arrival of the message. So there's simply
> no way that The Bat! (or any other pop3 client) can show you that
> time.

Order in which messages are downloaded from server and stored in TB!s
message database. That would be "don't sort" setting or "sort by place
in database". Simplest of all. It shouldn't be _that hard_ to
implement, would it? :)


Additionaly, you _can_ see when message arrived on server. Here's
cut&paste from received headers and dates from your messages (as it
arrived to me):

===8<==================================================
Received: (qmail 3571 invoked by uid 109); 22 Jul 2003 23:10:11 -0000
Received: from gundel.de.clara.net (212.82.225.86)
  by server1.ouroboros.hr with DES-CBC3-SHA encrypted SMTP; 22 Jul 2003
  23:10:11 -0000
Received: from stromgrade.its-toasted.org ([62.80.28.28]
        helo=draenor.its-toasted.org)
        by gundel.de.clara.net with esmtp (Exim 4.20)
        id 19f6JE-0002K0-QL; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:12:40 +0200
Received: from smtp-send.myrealbox.com ([192.108.102.143])
        by draenor.its-toasted.org with esmtp
(TLSv1:EDH-RSA-DES-CBC3-SHA:168)
        (Exim 3.36 #1) id 19f6GL-0005Xg-00
        for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 23 Jul 2003 01:09:42 +0200
Received: from 200.70.113.235 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
        [200.70.113.235]
        by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision: 3.35
$ on
        Novell NetWare; Tue, 22 Jul 2003 17:07:53 -0600
Date: Tue, 22 Jul 2003 18:31:25 -0300
===8<==================================================

Look at first and second received line - server1.ouroboros.hr is my
mail server. I'm not an expert, but isn't 23:10:11 time when my server
received your message? Simply looking at the date and time of first
received line in message should do it.

> You say that you have seen this functionality "in all mail clients
> before TB". May I ask wich one?. I really don't think that can be
> right.

Eudora. By default, messages are not sorted (or, they're "sorted as
placed in database") - and then eventually you can sort them by time.
I don't know which time (received?) but I don't remember any problems
with sorting messages in Eudora. In TB! I'm never quite sure.

And when I accidentaly delete message, it's a pain to find it again -
in Eudora, I simply switched to Trash and checked the message at the
bottom of the list.

                Domchi

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